To me, suicide can never be wrong

[FuneralCry]

To me, there could never be anything wrong with suicide. The society sees it as something that is tragic, should and could have always been prevented and something that is irrational. To me, this is not true and the thing that I think is wrong is that the society tries to force us to live against our wishes. The truth is, that life is completely meaningless. Our only true purpose as humans is to die, all that life is, is just waiting around for death. My life is so insignificant. Things may bother me and hurt me now but eventually they will not, no matter what happens. Eventually they will be unable to as I will no longer be existing.

There is no real point to living, life has no purpose, it is an unnecessary, pointless experience. There is absolutely nothing positive about being alive, and the thought that living is meaningful or a good thing, is a delusion. Life is no more than unnecessary suffering, which is why suicide can never be wrong. To me it can be perfectly rational wanting to leave this world. I have came to the conclusion that life is not worth living. There is simply no point to suffering for decades. It is simply a personal choice when to leave and living is not an obligation. This is why euthanasia must be legalised, as there is no real reason to try and force people to live against their wishes, life is all for the sake of it, humans only exist for the sake of existing.

Before we were born, there was nothing and I believe it to be the same after we die. All humans are destined to become nothing. The nothingness is where I belong as I want to stop thinking and feeling, as consciousness brings me pain. Every day that I stay alive is just another day to suffer. Death is not something to be feared, but it is what I look forward to the most as I will not be me anymore, I will be gone. I envy those who were never born the most and I know that I deserve the peace that death brings.

 

[lostmylove]

If we revert to nothingness how can you envy people who are never born surely they wouldn't exist xD

 

[Darkover]

yeah give me my choice to die

 

[YourNeighbor]

Not again.

Just because you haven't found your purpose, doesn't mean others don't have one. Just because your life may seem pointless to you (and it is unclear you have any objective basis to support this belief), doesn't mean everyone's life is pointless or bad.

Why do you keep encouraging others to suicide?

 

[FuneralCry]

Not again.

Just because you haven't found your purpose, doesn't mean others don't have one. Just because your life may seem pointless to you (and it is unclear you have any objective basis to support this belief), doesn't mean everyone's life is pointless or bad.

Why do you keep encouraging others to suicide?

I have said in my post that suicide is a personal choice, I have never encouraged anyone to suicide, I have no idea what you are talking about. Stop trying to make suicidal people feel worse. I do not even understand why anti choice people would come on this website in the first place.

I do not believe that anyone should be forced to live against their wishes, that is all. Being pro choice does not mean encouraging suicide. My post is just my thoughts. It is the objective truth that life is pointless and I have already explained this. Any meaning in life is just a delusion. There is no purpose to living.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I do believe that we should have autonomy over our own lives- and deaths. If we don't own our lives- does that not make us slaves?

I would not call anyone who took the decision to end their lives either selfish or irrational- I think we ought to try to empathise with the individual that their suffering was so bad (regardless of circumstance) that they saw it as their only way out- and to them at least, it was either a desperate final act or a logical decision (In their own mind).

HOWEVER- From a larger perspective, I can see how the issue is fraught with problems. I can see why there do need to be restrictions on who can apply for assisted suicide. (In the countries where it is available.)

I would think that even the most pro-life person could and would sympathise with the suffering of the terminally ill or those in constant pain- I don't think anyone would want to live like that.

When it comes to mental health though, I think it would be a whole lot more difficult to determine who 'deserves' the right to die (in terms of legally being given the means to do it).

For the euthanasia clinics that do consider people suffering with mental health, it does seem kind of similar to those suffering with physical conditions- I believe it needs to be certified by more than one doctor that no more can be done for the patient to help them- after having undergone the treatment available.

I have mixed feelings on this I suppose. As a society- probably we should be trying to make people better and only offering death as a last resort.

On the other hand, I don't qualify for any of the reasons because I haven't been through the health care system- so I don't have the paperwork. Yet, I can't see myself getting better and I would much rather ctb in a proffessional setting where death is guaranteed and painless and they have everything in place to deal with my remains- other than effectively winging it on my own.

The biggest concern though is protecting the vulnerable. I guess it comes down to WHY they are suicidal. Some medications can make people feel suicidal, some children are suicidal, some elderly people may feel like a burden on their families- and may not actually want to die but feel like they should, what about people who are infirm and unable to fully comprehend the decision? Does mental health not affect the way we think- so- can we really say our suicidal wish is a logical one if the brain is not functioning properly? All of these things do need to be determined and decided upon before the state gives a company the green light to help someone/anyone terminate their own life.

Plus, the 'facilitators' need to be properly protected from being sued- if other family members don't agree with their decision. I don't think it's something you can just grant to anyone who asks for it and I suppose medical records- whether physical or psychological are the only methods to determine who is a good candidate.

Interestingly, even the clinics that do exist draw a distinction between euthanasia and assisted suicide. Assisted suicide referring to the patients own wish to die and the clinic facilitating this.

Euthanasia is the problem though because it essentially refers to 'putting someone down.' It HAS to be determined that suicide is the patients wish- in SOUND MIND. I imagine it would be a mine field if you can't prove this with paperwork because if not- then it might be construed as murder by those left behind...

 

[Messgram]

I have said in my post that suicide is a personal choice, I have never encouraged anyone to suicide, I have no idea what you are talking about. Stop trying to make suicidal people feel worse. I do not even understand why anti choice people would come on this website in the first place.

I do not believe that anyone should be forced to live against their wishes, that is all. Being pro choice does not mean encouraging suicide. My post is just my thoughts. It is the objective truth that life is pointless and I have already explained this. Any meaning in life is just a delusion. There is no purpose to living.

exactly. Whatever meaning an individual attaches to their life , its insignificant and illusory, for in the end death and limbo will render any lived experience redundant. Life is just a meaningless cycle of suffering. Pleasure and happiness are nothing but an illusion created by our brain to keep us enduring on this pathetic cycle.

 

[rationaldeath]

I have mixed feelings on this I suppose. As a society- probably we should be trying to make people better and only offering death as a last resort.

Doesn't this presuppose that death is something bad that ought to be avoided? I think the people in support of laws restricting suicide need to provide an argument for that. Regardless of how sound of mind they are the person that dies isn't going to regret it, they aren't going to experience any suffering because of it. Where does the "wrongness" of suicide come from?

 

[RedPanda]

Not again.

Just because you haven't found your purpose, doesn't mean others don't have one. Just because your life may seem pointless to you (and it is unclear you have any objective basis to support this belief), doesn't mean everyone's life is pointless or bad.

Why do you keep encouraging others to suicide?

Stop spewing absolute NONSENSE, think before you type!

Not once has FuneralCry ever encouraged anyone to commit suicide.

With regards to the post, yes, I 100% agree with you FuneralCry, life is meaningless. An endless meaningless cycle of passing the time until we die.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Doesn't this presuppose that death is something bad that ought to be avoided? I think the people in support of laws restricting suicide need to provide an argument for that. Regardless of how sound of mind they are the person that dies isn't going to regret it, they aren't going to experience any suffering because of it. Where does the "wrongness" of suicide come from?

I guess there's always (perhaps false) hope that the person may recover to live a better life given help. I don't even know why I'm clinging to that hope when I REALLY hate the argument myself...

I guess it seems more caring to try and help someone live a happier life (if it works) rather than dispatching them into the unknown. How could anyone prove whether death was a good or bad thing? Preferable or non preferable to life? We may have beliefs but no one really knows...

Plus, it's likely to be a bad thing for the friends/family left behind- no matter how much they may have empathised with why the person did it. If they were in some way infirm, I also think they would be pretty angry if a company assisted in the death...

That's my main point- not that suicide should be off limits morally to anyone as an individual but it becomes a difficult subject if and when it is legalised.

As to why suicide is seen as 'wrong'- I'm likely just as cynical as everyone else- society needs its workers and tax payers...

 

[rationaldeath]

I guess it seems more caring to try and help someone live a happier life (if it works) rather than dispatching them into the unknown. How could anyone prove whether death was a good or bad thing? Preferable or non preferable to life? We may have beliefs but no one really knows...

I would argue that both are unknowns, you also can't know whether staying alive will result in things getting progressively worse or eventually ending with an experience of horrific suffering that is no longer in your control. My issue is that by restricting suicide the government is making the decision that staying alive is in your best interests by default. I don't think we have any basis for deciding that either option is better, especially for another person.

Plus, it's likely to be a bad thing for the friends/family left behind- no matter how much they may have empathised with why the person did it. If they were in some way infirm, I also think they would be pretty angry if a company assisted in the death...

We allow people to do many things in the name of personal autonomy that could cause harm to the people around them. Like for example you're legally allowed to reject your family's religion and never talk to them again which might cause them immense suffering.

As far as preventing companies from assisting suicide for people deemed mentally incompetent, it comes back to whether death is viewed as inherently worse than life. In my view choosing to continue living and choosing to die are equally significant. If we can't know which will result in a better outcome, why are we making the decision for them?