Venting To me it’s horrifying how humans so cruelly decide to procreate

[FuneralCry]

I find it horrifying how they continue to so cruelly and selfishly procreate even know existing is nothing but suffering, it's just hellish to me how humans impose existence yet wish to make it into a prison where one cannot peacefully escape on their own terms.

Only non-existence is desirable to me, I'd always prefer for this existence to permanently disappear into nothingness, the fact that a peaceful suicide is cruelly made so inaccessible means that existence is basically just slavery and imprisonment to me.
I see nothing appealing about the torturous and futile burden that is having the ability to exist, it disturbs me how they procreate even despite the fact that there is no limit as to how much agony one can feel as long as they exist. It's disturbing how in existence there is unlimited potential for pain, torment and suffering which is why procreation is such a terrible tragedy to me.

It's tragic how they force this hellish and harmful existence onto others and do all they can to stop them permanently freeing themselves from it, existence truly is evil to me, I see procreation as such a horrific crime as it causes immense harm, it's the source of all suffering.
And I see all suffering as unacceptable and best avoided, to me existence is nothing more than a virus that causes so much senseless cruelty and meaningless torment which is why I'd see it as better to not exist under all circumstances, only non-existence is ideal but of course only never existing is true perfection.

 

[thewalkingdread]

Procreation is literally the mother of all evils...

 

[Worndown]

You really cannot complain about reproduction. There are many problems that come after in need of our attention.

 

[Darkover]

You really cannot complain about reproduction. There are many problems that come after in need of our attention.

like nurturing your children to be the best they can be to live a fulfilling happy life unfortunately a lot of parents aren't up to the challenge the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents

When one or both parents haven't lived their lives well, they become unfit to be parents. A parent must be a mature individual capable of understanding life in a certain depth. That doesn't mean a parent has to be perfect. Nobody is. But, there is some basic emotional, financial and social maturity that one must have to be a parent. When a person hasn't lived life well, most often than not, they haven't achieved maturity in any area of life. That causes problem to the child on multiple levels.

1. Due to immaturity, the parents can be irresponsible, abusive and sometimes downright hostile that can damage the vulnerable child.
2. Due to lack of financial stability, the children are constantly under-provided. Can lead to physical and emotional damage.
3. There is a CONSTANT dissatisfaction that comes from an unlived life. That constant dissatisfaction will be taken out on the children as they are the easy targets.
4. There is extreme pressure on the children to perform well and be perfect in the areas the parents find important.
5. You are expected to earn money, status and position and look after the parents. This point can lead to EXTREME stress as the child tried to establish an identity of her own.
6. Parents who have unlived lives are generally disrespected in the society. That disrespect rubs off on the children as well.
7. The children feel constant guilt & shame due to their parents for no mistake of the children. (I personally have suffered from a lot of guilt & pressure)
8. The children can sometimes feel empty.

 

[Life_and_Death]

When one or both parents haven't lived their lives well, they become unfit to be parents

people can change

 

[DreamEnd]

the greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents

I know a jungian when I see one haha

 

[The Schizoid]

Preferences -

1st choice - A good quality of life
2nd choice - None existence
3rd choice - A bad quality of life.

Many one acquire the first, but some do. Most of you don't want to die, you just don't want to suffer as much anymore.

I hope you manage to resolve your issues, and if you cannot then I hope you CTB in peace.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

You really cannot complain about reproduction. There are many problems that come after in need of our attention.

These problems only exist because of reproduction. I wouldn't call myself an antinatalist per se but it's true that problems only exist for the individual because that individual exists. If they didn't exist, they wouldn't have any problems. Reproduction doesn't solve any issues that it hasn't first created

 

[SilentSadness]

Procreation is really tragic because it creates so much unnecessary suffering and abuse, it's dooming someone to the unfair rules of this world.

 

[sserafim]

You really cannot complain about reproduction. There are many problems that come after in need of our attention.

Reproduction is the mother of all problems (lol no pun intended). All of us are only alive because our parents procreated. If they didn't procreate, then we would never have to exist and suffer. You can only suffer because you were born.

 

[Macc_Lad_71]

not everyone feels like you ?

 

[sserafim]

These problems only exist because of reproduction. I wouldn't call myself an antinatalist per se but it's true that problems only exist for the individual because that individual exists. If they didn't exist, they wouldn't have any problems. Reproduction doesn't solve any issues that it hasn't first created

The thing I don't get is why more people don't blame their parents. Like they're the reason why you were born and forced into this existence. This all happened against your consent anyways, it was forced upon you, just because *they* wanted children or someone to nurture and care for. It was still about *their* desires at the end of the day. This therefore makes procreation selfish in my opinion.

 

[Naked Weapon]

I was in a philosophy course titled "The Meaning of Life". My professor argued that there is no reason to have children that is not inherently selfish. Curious, I then called my mother that night and asked why she had me. I have not told her of my tendencies or attempts.

Her response? "Because I wanted a friend".

Needless to say, I feel like joke now for even being brought into the world.

 

[sserafim]

I was in a philosophy course titled "The Meaning of Life" my professor argued that there is no reason to have children that is not inherently selfish. Curious, I then called my mother that night and asked why she had me. I have not told her of my tendencies or attempts.

Her response? "Because I wanted a friend".

Needless to say, I feel like joke now for even being brought into the world.

I asked my mom why she had kids and she said "because I wanted to". I then asked her why she wanted kids and she said "who's going to take care of me in old age?" I guess she also had maternal instincts as well, she wanted someone to nurture and care for. Procreation is selfish because it's about the parents' wants and desires, and to satisfy them they literally create a new living being which will inevitably suffer in its lifetime. They force someone into existence to satisfy their desires, and that person will experience pain and harm during its life, and the pain will outweigh the pleasure. Therefore, procreation is the utmost selfish thing that someone could do.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

The thing I don't get is why more people don't blame their parents. Like they're the reason why you were born and forced into this existence. This all happened against your consent anyways, it was forced upon you, just because *they* wanted children or someone to nurture and care for. It was still about *their* desires at the end of the day. This therefore makes procreation selfish in my opinion.

In my case, I don't really blame my parents because I blame existence instead. I always wish that I could be aborted by my parents so that I wouldn't have to suffer but I blame existence itself. Don't get me wrong, you are entirely correct in what you say. Most parents are selfish when it comes to reproduction as they want a child for their own reason (these reasons range from wanting validation + love, wanting a free way to get taken care of during old age, wanting to take care of their kid because of the parents desire themselves etc). I think that reproduction isn't selfish when it's been done against one's will by rape. Otherwise reproduction is selfish.

However, in my case, I can't really blame my parents as then, logically, I should blame my grandparents, then my grand-grandparents and so on until we reach the first biological cell. That's a lot of people to blame and hence I'd rather blame existence itself for starting. Though you're absolutely valid in blaming your parents as they gave birth to you for their own reasons and desires

 

[sserafim]

In my case, I don't really blame my parents because I blame existence instead. I always wish that I could be aborted by my parents so that I wouldn't have to suffer but I blame existence itself. Don't get me wrong, you are entirely correct in what you say. Most parents are selfish when it comes to reproduction as they want a child for their own reason (these reasons range from wanting validation + love, wanting a free way to get taken care of during old age, wanting to take care of their kid because of the parents desire themselves etc). I think that reproduction isn't selfish when it's been done against one's will by rape. Otherwise reproduction is selfish.

However, in my case, I can't really blame my parents as then, logically, I should blame my grandparents, then my grand-grandparents and so on until we reach the first biological cell. That's a lot of people to blame and hence I'd rather blame existence itself for starting. Though you're absolutely valid in blaming your parents as they gave birth to you for their own reasons and desires

I wish I was aborted too, but your parents are the ones who actively chose to have you, they're the ones who procreated and forced you into being. I blame existence itself as well, but the logical thing is that if my parents hadn't reproduced, then I wouldn't exist or have to experience existence anyways, so therefore, I do blame them. Your parents are the only reason why you were brought into existence. They could've chosen not to have children, but instead they chose to perpetuate the vicious cycle.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I wish I was aborted too, but your parents are the ones who actively chose to have you, they're the ones who procreated and forced you into being. I blame existence itself as well, but the logical thing is that if my parents hadn't reproduced, then I wouldn't exist or have to experience existence anyways, so therefore, I do blame them. Your parents are the only reason why you were brought into existence. They could've chosen not to have children, but instead they chose to perpetuate the vicious cycle.

That is true. Now that I think about it, I should blame my parents. They could have aborted me and had another kid instead of me but their selfishness prevented them from doing that. I should blame them because of the butterfly effect. I still blame existence more but my parents contributed to making me exist. I don't hate my parents but they still do deserve blame.

They could have prevented so much suffering and tragedy by simply not having me. It would be in my best interests as well as theirs to have aborted me. Soon they'll have to deal with grief over losing me but I honestly don't care. I value my own peace over others

 

[Worndown]

Reproduction is the mother of all problems (lol no pun intended). All of us are only alive because our parents procreated. If they didn't procreate, then we would never have to suffer. You can only suffer because you were born.

That takes the problem to a base level but ignores the things that make that life unmanagable. That is where the problems are found.

 

[divinemistress36]

They have kids to try to fill the empty void in their life

 

[Quantum Particle]

You have to understand we are the problem ones. We are the extreme minority. Both of my sons are doing fantastic in life, one is on a year break touring Australia and the other is always out with his friends and has just found a girl he really likes. " Don't procreate because I feel like this, " is such a selfish view and probably self obsession is the reason the world is turning into a complete shit hole

 

[sserafim]

They have kids to try to fill the empty void in their life

I guess so. I think people believe that having children will make them happy. I think that they also have them because of familial and societal pressure and expectations. I come from a culture which values the family and is very family-centered, and my dad is even pushing me to get married and have children (but I just don't want to lol). It's a duty required and expected of you. My main bone to pick though is that I just wish that I had input in being born. If I were never born, then I wouldn't have to resort to suicide to escape life.

 

[thewalkingdread]

Many philosophers and historians often write about the "birth of tragedy" in Greek culture, about the importance of the genre in classical dramaturgy... Nietzsche is one of the most notable ones.

They rarely observe, however, that the "birth of tragedy" in drama is frequently tethered to the tragedy of birth: The hubris of someone who "dipped their pen in the company Ink" gets punished in the flesh of the unholy bastard creature that results from it — that's the Minotaur's drama.

 

[divinemistress36]

You have to understand we are the problem ones. We are the extreme minority. Both of my sons are doing fantastic in life, one is on a year break touring Australia and the other is always out with his friends and has just found a girl he really likes. " Don't procreate because I feel like this, " is such a selfish view and probably self obsession is the reason the world is turning into a complete shit hole

It's really hard being the minority that Hates life

 

[Quantum Particle]

It's really hard being the minority that Hates life

Yes it truly is because it makes it so hard for others to understand the torment we face everyday. I am sick to death of the wars, viruses, financial meltdowns, famine and poverty created to divide and suppress us. Humans are an absolute scourge on this earth and the sooner these UFO's bombing around wipe us out the better, well apart from my sons of course…..Rant over

 

[LaVieEnRose]

You have to understand we are the problem ones. We are the extreme minority. Both of my sons are doing fantastic in life, one is on a year break touring Australia and the other is always out with his friends and has just found a girl he really likes. " Don't procreate because I feel like this, " is such a selfish view and probably self obsession is the reason the world is turning into a complete shit hole

It just sucks being collateral damage.

 

[divinemistress36]

Yes it truly is because it makes it so hard for others to understand the torment we face everyday. I am sick to death of the wars, viruses, financial meltdowns, famine and poverty created to divide and suppress us. Humans are an absolute scourge on this earth and the sooner these UFO's bombing around wipe us out the better, well apart from my sons of course…..Rant over

My hope is for the aliens to wipe us out too

 

[betternever2havbeen]

You have to understand we are the problem ones. We are the extreme minority. Both of my sons are doing fantastic in life, one is on a year break touring Australia and the other is always out with his friends and has just found a girl he really likes. " Don't procreate because I feel like this, " is such a selfish view and probably self obsession is the reason the world is turning into a complete shit hole

Yeah no doubt every parent would say that-including parents of those that CTB. Sorry but I'd have to hear it from them to believe it, parents are mostly utterly clueless. At the least they're probably worried about you since you're on a site like this, or are you pretending you're happy to them too...

 

[Quantum Particle]

Yeah no doubt every parent would say that-including parents of those that CTB. Sorry but I'd have to hear it from them to believe it, parents are mostly utterly clueless. At the least they're probably worried about you since you're on a site like this, or are you pretending you're happy to them too...

Then maybe I'm not every parent, he even wanted to come back from Australia but I had to talk him out of it. Your typical with most people on here, because your so besotted with your own experiences you think everybody is suffering the same

 

[DreamEnd]

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Then maybe I'm not every parent, he even wanted to come back from Australia but I had to talk him out of it. Your typical with most people on here, because your so besotted with your own experiences you think everybody is suffering the same

I agree with your points. Unfortunately, given the site you are in, you will find the majority of people disagree with you, and thats okay. But the majority here doesnt represent the majority of parents and children in the world, who dont think that giving a birth to a child is literally forcing them to suffer.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I agree with your points. Unfortunately, given the site you are in, you will find the majority of people disagree with you, and thats okay. But the majority here doesnt represent the majority of parents and children in the world, who dont think that giving a birth to a child is literally forcing them to suffer.

It does make me curious as to what people's general attitudes towards reproduction would be if the odds were a lot more even and consistently so, say 40% your child is a FC and 60% your child is a Tantacrul.