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Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
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Good because my anxiety is high and I think it's why I'm still talking. It's not the reality of suicide, I 'm very honest with myself about that. It's the desensitization to violence in order to go through with it. This bothers me like I can't tell you. Worse still is if it's not really for that reason at all. If someone has a bloody skull as their avatar that tells me something about them. Either I'm in the wrong place or they are.
 
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Good because my anxiety is high and I think it's why I'm still talking. It's not the reality of suicide, I 'm very honest with myself about that. It's the desensitization to violence in order to go through with it. This bothers me like I can't tell you. Worse still is if it's not really for that reason at all. If someone has a bloody skull as their avatar that tells me something about them. Either I'm in the wrong place or they are.
I agree and for all my ramblings I feel the same. The potential acceptance of violence as normalised troubles me and is very on topic with all the Facebook stuff.
Edit - I'd add that I think it's good that we question this stuff. The day I'm comfortable with it all and have no internal conflict...well...
 
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There has to be an agenda here. It's going to sap people of their humanity. It's weird because it's supposedly the snowflake generation but only in the sense they can't take any criticism even when warranted. They don't give a shit about anyone else. When we cease to see others as human that's when we cease to be
 
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If someone has a bloody skull as their avatar that tells me something about them. Either I'm in the wrong place or they are.

This environment draws and supports a lot of vastly different types. I have a hard time with all I bump up against. I do not always feel or act my best self here, and I struggle with that.

I also agree with @Underscore's sentiments: the day I feel totally comfortable and have no internal conflict about making suggestions for the best way to test, procure, or complete a method... well....

Shit just hurts. This environment with its central subject alleviates some hurts and creates others. It can be conducive to some kinds of healing, but at a certain point, I think it's like staying in the projects when you're no longer poor; if you're ready to move up and move on, you gotta move out. SS is a place for those who experience poverty of whatever resources are needed to support and sustain life: mental health, physical health, emotional connections and support, financial support, housing, hope, capability, etc.

Edit: An observation, @Mr2005, coming back to your full statement, of which I quoted a part, it seems to me a bit paradoxical that you are sensitized to the violence in a bloody skull avatar, but perhaps don't see the violence in your description about the messenger and the gun. TBH, it always turns my stomach a wee bit, but I try to think of it as dark humor. Trying to make an observation here and not a judgment, hope my intention comes across.
 
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Really? That's interesting. It was supposed to convey the difference between compassion and hatred in this context
 
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This environment with its central subject alleviates some hurts and creates others
This. There is an inherent conflict here that cannot be resolved. Both good and bad. This is a mirror to life. And death.
 
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Really? That's interesting. It was supposed to convey the difference between compassion and hatred in this context

I never got that from it. In this environment, even though it doesn't fit your personality, it has always read to me as, "What a waste of a gun, I could cbt with that."
 
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Mr2005

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No it's a play on words. I was getting a lot of spiteful shit said about me for trying to help people. I also wanted a gun. I just put two and two together
 
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Nov 1, 2019
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Thank you for sharing your opinion with us, it isn't always easy to do when it goes "against the grain". Although it is a controversial one - especially in light of recent events - I still think that this is a topic that ought to be discussed. For the record, I think that you know that our interpretations and reactions our are own, so I'm not of the impression that you were trying to absolve yourself of your personal responsibility. Any negative impact to our mental health comes from how we choose to use this space and how we interpret the things we find here. Ultimately, we insert meaning into things that don't necessarily have one. Of course, our mental state colours our perception and we may selectively attend to certain aspects depending on where we are in our heads.

Still, I can see where you are coming from because I cannot deny that this place (like any other community of like minded people) can be a bit of an echo chamber. I like to think that I am cognizant of the "risks" that come with frequenting the forum and therefore somehow "immune" to them, but being human even I feel a certain "pressure" from time to time. I can only speak for myself, but there are times where I feel this undercurrent of urgency with respect to suicide; like waking up in the middle of the night and feeling sick to my stomach for being alive. I tell myself that I have lingered for longer than I should have and feel terribly guilty. Without meaning to, I find myself comparing my post count and sign up date to those who have already "caught their bus".

This has everything to do with me and my tendency to invalidate myself and my feelings. No one here has ever shamed me for not attempting within a certain window of time or told me that I am not genuinely suicidal.

There is a recovery section, but I think that it should serve as a spring board to recovery, rather than its "home base". I have always felt that it takes as much courage to draw another breath as it does to snuff it out, and recovery is quite the journey. It is something that must be chosen every single day and I don't really know if a person can fully engage with the process if they insist on keeping suicide tucked away in their pocket. Whether one acknowledges it or not, there is a danger to telling oneself: "Well I'll try this treatment but if things don't pan out, I can always kill myself". The comfort that the option of suicide brings is very real, but I do wonder if it can hinder more than help.

Others have already mentioned the pain of sharing your experiences with others (often the kind of experiences that very few of us feel comfortable speaking about in our personal lives) and building a rapport with other members only to lose them. I have seen this go both ways and the only word I can use to describe the relationships I have built with others here is "bittersweet". I don't know if this is something that one can ever grow accustomed to...at least I hope not, because like you this is something that I fear. If anything, maybe we learn to compartmentalize the pain associated with loss (not unlike medical professionals) but I certainly do not want to forget it either.

Thank you again for sharing your thoughts and feelings.
 
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Don't you dare go hollow...
Nov 25, 2019
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Well, Mr2005, you sound like my mum. Not saying that's a bad thing, I like her. She once said we are a bunch of voyeurs dragging each other down. She has somewhat revised her opinion since, because I've told her some of the stories here. I thought about making a thread on the topic. But personally, I don't agree. You lot can't drag me down, because I have no lower to go. Have never really been impressionable anyway, and it's one trait I'm proud of, although it has brought both good and bad. This place and everyone here brings me great comfort. As Epsilon0 mentioned, I too laughed about the other people comment et al. Also know that you sometimes had a hard stance here with your "pro-life" opinion, but stood your ground. I respect that, and I too believe life can be good under certain circumstances, and agree with Misanthrope as well, that we shouldn't force our opinions on others. So, overall I think you're a positive influence on this forum and do improve people's day. Does it outweigh the dark side which come with this place? Don't know, only you can decide if it does you more harm than good.

And I am indeed talking about you here. Because we have this thread every week concerning "vulnerable" people and how "we" should act in front of them. It's always the "others" which might be vulnerable, never ourselves. Benefit of the doubt. I'm sure there are vulnerable people here, but I can't tell for sure who they are, think @PwincessStepford for instance. I'm sure people meant well, but considering she drank it, I do wonder if we made her more uncomfortable than she would've liked, or deserved, in her last moments. Otoh, I've seen people who seemed in doubt and, if they allowed me, I tried reasoning with them too. But overall I think it's impossible to tell who's in which situation specifically. So, to me it's not feasible. We have to give people the benefit of the doubt that they indeed know what's best for them, and they do. It's what this forum is about and the respect everyone deserves.

Now, there's one thing that I didn't appreciate (you asked for it #6), and that was that you more or less closed down the "weird suicide methods" thread by suggesting the people in there had ulterior motives. Normally, I wouldn't be saying anything. When I don't agree I usually move on. But since you did so in this thread again with the "skull" comment, while at the same time indirectly asking for leniency on you opinion, I do feel you might wanna ease up on that (respectfully). As visible above I'm not the only one who misunderstood your gun signature. Thus, I think we should give everyone the benefit of the doubt. But it's your choice to do so or not. Thing is it's fine, you are who you. As is everyone else. There is one person here I feel I should mention in this context and she goes by the nom du guerre "Funeral Stripper" or La Chatte Blanche, hehe. Now this person constantly draws criticism with her contributions, but so far I've never seen anything malicious about her. In fact, I enjoy her attitude very much and she regularly makes me laugh. That's not bad in this place. I understand that some may not value her stuff, but again, benefit of the doubt.

To me this place is like one huge hivemind of personalities working together. We relate so much to one another and compliment each other at the same time. Here we can be who we are and should do so without being judged without reason. No, I wouldn't want it any other way, and those who really feel the negative side creeping up on them have the choice to take a break or disappear for good. It's a sanctuary, not a prison. But that's a choice which has to be made on the individual level not by a group, imho.

And yes, GB threads can really tear at one's insides when we cared for them. We're still human after all.

Oh, and Mr2005, if you didn't read up to here, yes, I saw that thread too, your loss. Hehe.
 
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If you can't hear that it's a round of applause. I nearly brought that up with the last post lol that was after reading it through. I could hardly not on my own thread where they'd taken the time to reply to me. Or could I? Would that make it better or worse? There's another dilemma that comes with being human. Benefit of the doubt is the most important thing we can give each other I agree. There are times I wish it had been given to me a bit more. The messengers me in my signature, I thought that was obvious. It never even occurred to me it could be seen any other way and it's come as a bit of a shock :O
 
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not-2-b-the-answer

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Anyone else feel that way or am I going to get attacked? It just brings a host of new problems I didn't have before. If I choose to commit suicide it shouldn't be because being here caused it and if I think I have a hope of getting better I'd have to leave forever


I honestly feel this place helps me deal with the shittyness of life. I still want to end it but not because of anyone here. I do feel sad when someone leaves because they have CTB but I understand the desire to not want to be on this planet anymore.
There is a Recovery section on here … I don't check it out very much but maybe give that a try. If you feel you need to leave I wish you the best and hope everything works out for you. You are always welcome back. :hug:
 
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Thankyou. One thing though. This is the recovery section :hihi:
 
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There is a Recovery section on here … I don't check it out very much but maybe give that a try.


This put a smile on my face (which is pretty much mission impossible these days).
 
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HadEnough1974

I try to be funny...
Jan 14, 2020
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Anyone else feel that way or am I going to get attacked? It just brings a host of new problems I didn't have before. If I choose to commit suicide it shouldn't be because being here caused it and if I think I have a hope of getting better I'd have to leave forever

You're in the recovery section. Whatever you're dealing with, I hope you do well and get better.

If you feel that you need to leave because this forum is bad for your mental health, then please leave but continue to seek help in other ways.

Suicide is my very last option after everything else fails. In your case, suicide may not even be an option. Take care.
 
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not-2-b-the-answer

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Thankyou. One thing though. This is the recovery section :hihi:


OOPS !!!! :ohhhh:
I'm so embarrassed !!!
I clicked on it when it showed up in the new threads. I usually don't go to the recovery section. :wink:

This put a smile on my face (which is pretty much mission impossible these days).

So glad I could put a smile on someone's face. :heart::hihi::heart::hihi:
 
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Never Free

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I personally have found this forum full of loving caring people. Yes there is suicide conversations. For some people that seems to be enough of a vent to fight on until the next day.
Please don't take my comments wrong. I am not attacking or trying to put thoughts or feelings in your heart or head. I personally have found myself the time I have been here feeling better. If I can help someone, that helps me feel like I accomplished something and gave me s tiny purpose at that moment.
If you decide that you need to leave or stay is up to you and what you need. :hug:
You have friends here either way.
The overwhelming majority of people have seemed that way to me. None over the top bad either. This is the only place many of us have to go. Without it there's just bottled up death wishes for me, and negative symptoms from my path to CTB. Only place I can talk about this stuff is here. Otherwise trapped in my mind with no release
 
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I care too much.
I care too much too.
I'm here for you! :smiling::heart::hug::sunglasses::happy:
I'm sorry you do feel like that, but it may be better for you to leave, although of course you will be welcome back when you need it! Perhaps just stay in the recovery thread and not in the suicide discussion thread? Either way, best wishes x
Hi it's Black Poppet here. could I message you! I haven't heard from you in a while. I hope you are doing well.
:hug::heart::smiling::hug::hug::halo:
 
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Personally SS has helped me since I signed up and posting. I have my good days and I have my bad days. Those bad days I come here to read and post etc. Keeps my mind away from CTB even though I am still looking for methods.
Sure this site is not good for some people because of what it provides, but for some like me it helps provide a sort of relief from the SI because we're all on the same boat for each personal reason.
 
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not-2-b-the-answer

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The overwhelming majority of people have seemed that way to me. None over the top bad either. This is the only place many of us have to go. Without it there's just bottled up death wishes for me, and negative symptoms from my path to CTB. Only place I can talk about this stuff is here. Otherwise trapped in my mind with no release


Most everyone on here have been nice. You are correct, there aren't very many places to go. I know there is a Discord version of this as well but I don't know of any others. Reddit is a joke. It used to be really cool a few years ago. :aw: I don't know what I would do if S.S. wasn't here.
You can't say the things we can here in public unless you want locked up. Even for people who don't want to really die and just like to vent.

P.S.
If you see this and would like to respond … I just wanted to know what your avatar means. (If it isn't too personal)
If you have already said it before, I apologize that I didn't see it. :hug:
 
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Never Free

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Most everyone on here have been nice. You are correct, there aren't very many places to go. I know there is a Discord version of this as well but I don't know of any others. Reddit is a joke. It used to be really cool a few years ago. :aw: I don't know what I would do if S.S. wasn't here.
You can't say the things we can here in public unless you want locked up. Even for people who don't want to really die and just like to vent.

P.S.
If you see this and would like to respond … I just wanted to know what your avatar means. (If it isn't too personal)
If you have already said it before, I apologize that I didn't see it. :hug:
It's the symbol for a "safe space". We are often not only neglected by SJW, but pushes aside, if not flat out attacked for not being in favor of forced psychiatry/ locked up for being sducidal. This is true for psych survivors as well who are less pro choice about suicide, but still anti force. This however is meant to symbolize wanting a safe place for suicide. This serves as one. However wish there was more push for safe space as there is with other populations. Wish I could go somewhere and be around people without fear of being locked up. Wish I would be able to attempt suicide without fear of being locked up.
 
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not-2-b-the-answer

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It's the symbol for a "safe space". We are often not only neglected by SJW, but pushes aside, if not flat out attacked for not being in favor of forced psychiatry/ locked up for being sducidal. This is true for psych survivors as well who are less pro choice about suicide, but still anti force. This however is meant to symbolize wanting a safe place for suicide. This serves as one. However wish there was more push for safe space as there is with other populations. Wish I could go somewhere and be around people without fear of being locked up. Wish I would be able to attempt suicide without fear of being locked up.

Thanks for the reply. :heart: I wish there was a safe space too. (Thankfully we have S.S.) I don't see that happening in the U.S. especially when conservatives control the White House and they control News Outlets & Talk Radio. People just blindly follow along. :aw:
 
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Never Free

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Thanks for the reply. :heart: I wish there was a safe space too. (Thankfully we have S.S.) I don't see that happening in the U.S. especially when conservatives control the White House and they control News Outlets & Talk Radio. People just blindly follow along. :aw:
Dems aren't really better about it here. All are really in favor of forced psychiatry even when "danger to self or others doesn't apply". Even heard self identified libertarians tote this. Whatever happened to the right to swing my fist, to the point of their noses. Though I think libertarian is the most likely we'll have freedom to suicide. The Green Party prob not as likely, at least in US. Though they seem to at least be trying to make more freedom, and the whole process more humane. The two major parties ignore psych rights. They have an alliance though. In some ways Trump simply for being non establishment may've put off more force. He's talked about MH a lot like he could add more force. However there was a huge blow right before Obama left that would increase coerced drugging outside the psych ward. Don't think he's acted on it. The one by Tim Murphy Dems and Republicans alike voted for it. Some ways Republicans are supposed to be better, because they don't want to spend as much money. By default this means less people will be locked up, and those that do will for less time. Though there's alway private insurance. I personally am relieved to finally be off my parents insurance. Am hoping it gives me some protection from being committed
 
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Dems aren't really better about it here. All are really in favor of forced psychiatry even when "danger to self or others doesn't apply". Even heard self identified libertarians tote this. Whatever happened to the right to swing my fist, to the point of their noses. Though I think libertarian is the most likely we'll have freedom to suicide. The Green Party prob not as likely, at least in US. Though they seem to at least be trying to make more freedom, and the whole process more humane. The two major parties ignore psych rights. They have an alliance though. In some ways Trump simply for being non establishment may've put off more force. He's talked about MH a lot like he could add more force. However there was a huge blow right before Obama left that would increase coerced drugging outside the psych ward. Don't think he's acted on it. The one by Tim Murphy Dems and Republicans alike voted for it. Some ways Republicans are supposed to be better, because they don't want to spend as much money. By default this means less people will be locked up, and those that do will for less time. Though there's alway private insurance. I personally am relieved to finally be off my parents insurance. Am hoping it gives me some protection from being committed

I agree that we aren't going to have legal Suicide from either party. You obviously know way more about what's going on than I do.
I don't think we will ever have legal control to do whatever we want with our lives. It's sad that we have to take matters into our own hands.
If we fail we could be worse off than before we tried to end our personal hell. :aw:
 
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Personally, I get great comfort from the frank and honest discussion regarding the beauty of accepting that suicide is okay. That said, I can see how this place may not be beneficial for everyone. Perhaps you'd feel better if you just stayed on the "recovery" thread.
 
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Probably. People here are honest in the fact they want to be helped. The ''beauty' of accepting suicide is ok gets pretty ugly.
 
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ladolcemorte

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I think you are the best judge of what is bad for your mental health. If you are committed to getting well, then you might be better off pouring all your time and energy into activities that revolve around life as opposed to death...
 
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I feel my eyes have been opened and I can't close them again. Something someone said the other day may have been the most disturbing thing I've ever read and the worst part is they and many others didn't see it that way
 
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