thinking of a trip to Peru

[rocketman99]

Hello All, new member here. Thinking of going to Peru to acquire some N-- although probably not until next year. Is this till viable? Also, not keen on ctb there and was hoping to get some ideas/help on how I might get it back to where I live. Has anyone ever tried mailing N (or anything else) back to themselves from a foreign country? Was thinking of just making up a return address and sending to a PO box

 

[Evelyn Lane]

There's evidence showing that N isn't as peaceful as they make it look like. It's actually quite distressing. I used to think like you too

 

[rocketman99]

There's evidence showing that N isn't as peaceful as they make it look like. It's actually quite distressing. I used to think like you too

no there isn't; they use it to euthanise people and in Switzerland so it's tried an tested. Not sure what your motivations were for posting this bizarre response as it has nothing to do with the the original question

 

[Evelyn Lane]

no there isn't; they use it to euthanise people and in Switzerland so it's tried an tested. Not sure what your motivations were for posting this bizarre response as it has nothing to do with the the original question

Sorry, didn't mean any harm :)

 

[zaxxy1810]

There's evidence showing that N isn't as peaceful as they make it look like. It's actually quite distressing. I used to think like you too

What evidence is in question, can you be more precise and present it to everyone? Thanks in advance.

 

[rocketman99]

there's no evidence... thousands of people die from it each year across the world. If there was any evidence, then they would change the medication

 

[Evelyn Lane]

What evidence is in question, can you be more precise and present it to everyone? Thanks in advance.

They use it execute people in the US. It is not peaceful at all, but I don't feel the need to insist on this. Believe what you want.

See https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-trump-and-barrs-last-minute-killing-spree for example.
As I always say, death is never painless (except for helium maybe).

 

[rocketman99]

yeah, that's not evidence. It's part of a political debate. N is more peaceful than the drug they use in the US normally.

 

[justwannadip]

They use it execute people in the US. It is not peaceful at all, but I don't feel the need to insist on this. Believe what you want.

See https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-trump-and-barrs-last-minute-killing-spree for example.
As I always say, death is never painless (except for helium maybe).

I understand the very high probability of causing pulmonary edema, and the debate about pentobarbital's peacefulness due to this. But what I don't seem to understand is, since the person would more than likely be completely unconscious, how would they be aware of the pain or "drowning sensation"? Should it not be like general anesthesia? There seems to be some debate around it but it would seem to me that the lack of awareness from unconsciousness is what makes this method 'peaceful', not what it does to the body. The gasping for air, although different, is also seen in SN deaths due to hypoxia.

 

[Evelyn Lane]

I understand the very high probability of causing pulmonary edema, and the debate about pentobarbital's peacefulness due to this. But what I don't seem to understand is, since the person would more than likely be completely unconscious, how would they be aware of the pain or "drowning sensation"? Should it not be like general anesthesia? There seems to be some debate around it but it would seem to me that the lack of awareness from unconsciousness is what makes this method 'peaceful', not what it does to the body. The gasping for air, although different, is also seen in SN deaths due to hypoxia.

Nembutal is a sedative. It's not a drug that makes you unconscious. You feel everything. That's why it's used as an "anaesthetic" for animals instead of humans. What I'm saying is that it basically paralyzes you for a while. Wish @FuneralCry knew this, by the way. She's a big fan of N

 

[Esokabat]

Nembutal is a sedative. It's not a drug that makes you unconscious. You feel everything. That's why it's used as an "anaesthetic" for animals instead of humans. What I'm saying is that it basically paralyzes you for a while. Wish FuneralCry knew this, by the way. She's a big fan of N

You are greatly misinformed. And yes, misinformation is hurtful and dangerous, so don't act so innocent, nobody buys it.
Your comments are either driven from personal fears or the purposeful spreading of misinformation. If it is your personal fears that cloud your mental faculties, than get your shit together. If misinformation is your objective, stop lying and please use your brain.

 

[Evelyn Lane]

You are greatly misinformed. And yes, misinformation is hurtful and dangerous, so don't act so innocent, nobody buys it.
Your comments are either driven from personal fears or the purposeful spreading of misinformation. If it is your personal fears that cloud your mental faculties, than get your shit together. If misinformation is your objective, stop lying and please use your brain.

State your sources, bro. Don't come at me like that. Even Wikipedia states it's a sedative. If you know what a sedative is you'd not make an ass outta yourself. Peace!

 

[Esokabat]

Nembutal is a sedative. It's not a drug that makes you unconscious. You feel everything. That's why it's used as an "anaesthetic" for animals instead of humans. What I'm saying is that it basically paralyzes you for a while. Wish FuneralCry knew this, by the way. She's a big fan of N

And oh my fucking god, who the fuck cares what FC thinks. This last sentence told me everything I needed to know about you

State your sources, bro. Don't come at me like that.

Bro your ass.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

There's evidence showing that N isn't as peaceful as they make it look like. It's actually quite distressing. I used to think like you too

PPH is scoring Nembutal a 10/10 for 'reliable' and another 10/10 for 'peaceful'. 4/5 for 'fast and effective'. 'Dignified dying' states that 6g (or more) will make you fall asleep within 10 to 15 minutes. Death occurs hours later, could even be up to 6 hours. So at least 2 sources claim the opposite.

What are your sources?

 

[Evelyn Lane]

PPH is scoring Nembutal a 10/10 for 'reliable' and another 10/10 for 'peaceful'. 4/5 for 'fast and effective'. 'Dignified dying' states that 6g (or more) will make you fall asleep within 10 to 15 minutes. Death occurs hours later, could even be up to 6 hours. So at least 2 sources claim the opposite.

Wat are your sources?

I don't owe you anything, pal. Believe what you want. If you want to suffer, do so, the hell would I care LOL

 

[opheliaoveragain]

PPH is scoring Nembutal a 10/10 for 'reliable' and another 10/10 for 'peaceful'. 4/5 for 'fast and effective'. 'Dignified dying' states that 6g (or more) will make you fall asleep within 10 to 15 minutes. Death occurs hours later, could even be up to 6 hours. So at least 2 sources claim the opposite.

Wat are your sources?

Why would it rank so highly in a book that has been highly researched and is backed up by actual confirmed cases if it didn't work the way they said? (Rhetorical, source yourself or hush)

Throwing in a Trump related link doesn't help legitimize what you are claiming @Evelyn Lane

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I don't owe you anything, pal. Believe what you want. If you want to suffer, do so, the hell would I care LOL

Where did it say I'm choosing N to ctb? I gave you 2 reliable sources of information and when I politely ask you for a source you get all defensive. That says a lot about you... pal.

 

[rocketman99]

State your sources, bro. Don't come at me like that. Even Wikipedia states it's a sedative. If you know what a sedative is you'd not make an ass outta yourself. Peace!

I don't owe you anything, pal. Believe what you want. If you want to suffer, do so, the hell would I care LOL

you sound like a child. Some people on here are actually looking for a way to ctb peacefully, not larping some woe-is me e-girl persona. Grow up

 

[Evelyn Lane]

Where did it say I'm choosing N to ctb? I gave you 2 reliable sources of information and when I politely ask you for a source you get all defensive. That says a lot about you... pal.

Heh, maybe you're a decent person, but when I went against the narrative that N is peaceful everyone was trying to crucify me or something. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I gain nothing from convincing you out of it since you're not my friend (despite calling you "pal" lol) and I'm not gonna bend myself backwards to help you avoid harm. I had good intentions, perhaps you can tell. Anyway, I don't wanna carry on with this, so I'm just gonna leave it at that. I came off as defensive because I assumed (wrongly) that you were one of those people that were against me. Sorry, I apologize :)

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Heh, maybe you're a decent person, but when I went against the narrative that N is peaceful everyone was trying to crucify me or something. Anyway, what I'm saying is that I gain nothing from convincing you out of it since you're not my friend (despite calling you "pal" lol) and I'm not gonna bend myself backwards to help you avoid harm. I had good intentions, perhaps you can tell. Anyway, I don't wanna carry on with this, so I'm just gonna leave it at that. I came off as defensive because I assumed (wrongly) that you were one of those people that were against me. Sorry, I apologize :)

This whole victim thing ain't gonna fly. You're talking shit on a researched gold standard. Not even providing a source for what you claim, or preferably multiple sources esp when asked plainly, ain't it. yikes.

 

[Imagined_Euphoria]

They use it execute people in the US. It is not peaceful at all, but I don't feel the need to insist on this. Believe what you want.

See https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-trump-and-barrs-last-minute-killing-spree for example.
As I always say, death is never painless (except for helium maybe).

The only 100 % painless method is a shotgun. A slug explodes the head.

 

[GuessWhosBack]

Guys calm down.
I will ask my mother if she thinks N is painless tomorrow morning, and let you know.

 

[justwannadip]

Nembutal is a sedative. It's not a drug that makes you unconscious. You feel everything. That's why it's used as an "anaesthetic" for animals instead of humans. What I'm saying is that it basically paralyzes you for a while. Wish @FuneralCry knew this, by the way. She's a big fan of N

Nembutal (pentobarbital) is not a sedative at high doses, it acts as an anesthetic. It was used, as were other barbiturates, as an anesthetic for years before it was replaced by safer methods like propofol. You don't "feel everything" if you take a high enough dose as it will lead to unconsciousness and lack of awareness. There carries a small risk that the dosage may not fully produce an unconscious state but that is highly unlikely with the recommended 10g of oral pento.

Also, its not used on animals anymore in most places in north america due to there being a massive shortage of the substance. They wouldn't give it to animals either if they "felt everything". Pentobarbital was used, and is still sometimes used for human euthanasia.

It also does not "paralyze" you. Its not a neuromuscular blocking agent, and it only affects autonomic function through CNS depression, or unconsciousness.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Nembutal (pentobarbital) is not a sedative at high doses, it acts as an anesthetic. It was used, as were other barbiturates, as an anesthetic for years before it was replaced by safer methods like propofol. You don't "feel everything" if you take a high enough dose as it will lead to unconsciousness and lack of awareness. There carries a small risk that the dosage may not fully produce an unconscious state but that is highly unlikely with the recommended 10g of oral pento.

Also, its not used on animals anymore in most places in north america due to there being a massive shortage of the substance. They wouldn't give it to animals either if they "felt everything". Pentobarbital was used, and is still sometimes used for human euthanasia.

It also does not "paralyze" you. Its not a neuromuscular blocking agent, and it only affects autonomic function through CNS depression, or unconsciousness.

would 12.6 grams Nembutal kill a 75 kg weight human ? what % chance of Death would you estimate?

 

[davidtorez]

Hello All, new member here. Thinking of going to Peru to acquire some N-- although probably not until next year. Is this till viable? Also, not keen on ctb there and was hoping to get some ideas/help on how I might get it back to where I live. Has anyone ever tried mailing N (or anything else) back to themselves from a foreign country? Was thinking of just making up a return address and sending to a PO box

Sending N back from Peru using their postal system is something that has crossed my mind too . But I'm unsure how reliable their post is. Food for thought?

 

[justwannadip]

would 12.6 grams Nembutal kill a 75 kg weight human ? what % chance of Death would you estimate?

99.9% if not found in an hour. That would kill a horse. Death should be pretty quick too.

 

[Esokabat]

99.9% if not found in an hour. That would kill a horse. Death should be pretty quick too.

Someone I heard of took 15 grams and it took 1h45m for breathing to stop.

 

[MettleSpirit41]

but when I went against the narrative that N is peaceful everyone was trying to crucify me or something

No one was trying to crucify you. You spoke against an already well established method without any proof or source, and everyone just wanted to see if you could back up that argument with legitimate proof. That's it. And don't try and play the victim if everyone is angry at you for sharing baseless and proofless information which could easily prolong the harm and pain in the life of someone who is relying on this method.

 

[MettleSpirit41]

Nembutal (pentobarbital) is not a sedative at high doses, it acts as an anesthetic. It was used, as were other barbiturates, as an anesthetic for years before it was replaced by safer methods like propofol. You don't "feel everything" if you take a high enough dose as it will lead to unconsciousness and lack of awareness. There carries a small risk that the dosage may not fully produce an unconscious state but that is highly unlikely with the recommended 10g of oral pento.

Also, its not used on animals anymore in most places in north america due to there being a massive shortage of the substance. They wouldn't give it to animals either if they "felt everything". Pentobarbital was used, and is still sometimes used for human euthanasia.

It also does not "paralyze" you. Its not a neuromuscular blocking agent, and it only affects autonomic function through CNS depression, or unconsciousness.

This is the best response to the bullshittery of @Evelyn Lane . Thank you @justwannadip . Reading this was a huge relief.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Hi guys, what do we know about N getting more difficult to obtain in Peru starting next year? Does anyone know what the new regulations will entail, like will it become impossible to get it, will the pharmacist call the cops on you if you ask or something? Or will it just be more difficult but not impossible? Also, any news on N in the other South American countries that are mentioned in the book, like Bolivia or Ecuador? I haven't read the 2024 edition yet.