Think I'm hooked up for exit bag. Questions

[rancho]

Do I have the right steps now:

- put bag on forehead
- squeeze out air
- turn on the (argon) gas to 32 CFM
- wait for bag to filled up
- Breathe out as much as possible
- Pull down bag - (do I have the elastic set for the right tightness before doing this or do I wait till I pull it down to tighten it. I think the former)
- Breathe in as much as possible
- Then breathe normally and it should be over soon?

 

[Greenberg]

32cfm (cubic foot per minute) is over 900LPM!!!! What is going on!!!!!

 

[rancho]

32cfm (cubic foot per minute) is over 900LPM!!!! What is going on!!!!!

Sorry, I meant cubic feet per hour (CFH)

 

[rancho]

Maybe somebody can tell me just if I've made a mistake and/or what type of testing and practice should be done (since that seems to be emphasized here)

 

[TheQ22]

Sorry wrong thread.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Your process is correct.
You can practice pulling the bag down so that you know the process.

Tie the rubber band together properly beforehand, as long as you can still pull the bag down.


After pulling down the bag you can breathe normally but deeply. It is important to breathe in and out deeply. If you breathe too shallowly, the air exchange in the lungs is poorer and C02 can accumulate.

With the ctb you can sit / lie on your hands after fixing the bag.
This is not necessary, but it minimizes the possibility of your hands reaching for the bag when you are unconscious

I have no experience with argon and I don't know exactly what you will experience in the few seconds.

I only know that I was gone after 5-6 breaths on He and N2. Just go away.

You can look forward to the most pleasant trip I think is possible.

 

[rancho]

Your process is correct.
You can practice pulling the bag down so that you know the process.

Tie the rubber band together properly beforehand, as long as you can still pull the bag down.


After pulling down the bag you can breathe normally but deeply. It is important to breathe in and out deeply. If you breathe too shallowly, the air exchange in the lungs is poorer and C02 can accumulate.

With the ctb you can sit / lie on your hands after fixing the bag.
This is not necessary, but it minimizes the possibility of your hands reaching for the bag when you are unconscious

I have no experience with argon and I don't know exactly what you will experience in the few seconds.

I only know that I was gone after 5-6 breaths on He and N2. Just go away.

You can look forward to the most pleasant trip I think is possible.

I might have missed one thing to buy. Do I really need to use an oxygen sensor to measure that. I bought pure argon, not a mixture of anything.

Also, is there some rule of thumb for how to measure that the elastic is "snug but not tight?"

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

How do you come up with an oxygen sensor? It is absolutely not necessary.

Helium is sometimes mixed as a balloon gas. But argon is used for other things and is sold pure.

You don't have to worry too much about the rubber band. It does not matter. The rubber band is not intended for sealing. It is to climb the bag and must not close tightly

 

[rancho]

How do you come up with an oxygen sensor? It is absolutely not necessary.

Helium is sometimes mixed as a balloon gas. But argon is used for other things and is sold pure.

You don't have to worry too much about the rubber band. It does not matter. The rubber band is not intended for sealing. It is to climb the bag and must not close tightly

The oxygen sensor is in the PPH.

The CO2 has to come out of the bag at the bottom, so that's why you don't want it too tight?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Absolutely correct, the CO2 must be able to escape.

 

[rancho]

Absolutely correct, the CO2 must be able to escape.

I'm just testing things out. Does it take a real long time for the bag to get totally full?

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Do I have the right steps now:

- put bag on forehead
- squeeze out air
- turn on the (argon) gas to 32 CFM
- wait for bag to filled up
- Breathe out as much as possible
- Pull down bag - (do I have the elastic set for the right tightness before doing this or do I wait till I pull it down to tighten it. I think the former)
- Breathe in as much as possible
- Then breathe normally and it should be over soon?

Is your Argon completely odourless? I have tank of Argon and it has a funny smell to it.
Some welders on this forum also mentioned they smell Argon specifically while welding.
I still remember the smell in my nose and lungs for few hours after my tests.
My tests were very reckless I went to the verge of unconsciousness so not recommended at all.

 

[WearyOfStruggling]

Is your Argon completely odourless? I have tank of Argon and it has a funny smell to it.
Some welders on this forum also mentioned they smell Argon specifically while welding.
I still remember the smell in my nose and lungs for few hours after my tests.
My tests were very reckless I went to the verge of unconsciousness so not recommended at all.

I copied the following from Wikipedia:
Argon is colorless, odorless, nonflammable and nontoxic as a solid, liquid or gas.

If you experienced an odor, you must have had some contaminant in the system.

 

[rancho]

Is your Argon completely odourless? I have tank of Argon and it has a funny smell to it.
Some welders on this forum also mentioned they smell Argon specifically while welding.
I still remember the smell in my nose and lungs for few hours after my tests.
My tests were very reckless I went to the verge of unconsciousness so not recommended at all.

I have not noticed an odor.

What were you testing for? I know you got closer than you wanted, but what were you specifically looking to find out?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

I'm just testing things out. Does it take a real long time for the bag to get totally full?

Sorry for my long response times, I'm still struggling with the major depression phase.

How long it takes to fill the bag depends on the size of the bag and the flow rate set. I can only tell you my experience of about 30 seconds.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I have not noticed an odor.

What were you testing for? I know you got closer than you wanted, but what were you specifically looking to find out?

I was extremely curious about that 20 second knock out also curious in general how the body reacts toward inhaling inert gas and whether SI kicks in or not as all I knew was theory. But it was all true the only thing bothered me was the oder of the Argon as @WearyOfStruggling mentioned most probably the gas has some sort of contamination.

 

[TheQ22]

Maybe some places add a smell to it as a warning - so people can't accidentally be overcome with it? I think they do it with things like antifreeze so it tastes bitter instead of sweet?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Is your Argon completely odourless? I have tank of Argon and it has a funny smell to it.
Some welders on this forum also mentioned they smell Argon specifically while welding.
I still remember the smell in my nose and lungs for few hours after my tests.
My tests were very reckless I went to the verge of unconsciousness so not recommended at all.

As others said, argon is odorless. If your argon smells, then you definitely don't have pure gas. The only question is what is mixed in. As long as it is not oxygen, it should also work with it.

It's just not sure how it works. Whether it can cause unnecessary pain

 

[profoundexperience]

I only know that I was gone after 5-6 breaths on He and N2. Just go away.

If I understand you correctly and you're willing to discuss, how are you still here then, @LetzteAusfahrt ?

Sorry for my long response times, I'm still struggling with the major depression phase.

I think I can say that many of us understand: I can only login to SS every so often (my energy/concentration gets so low due to depression).

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

I was extremely curious about that 20 second knock out also curious in general how the body reacts toward inhaling inert gas and whether SI kicks in or not as all I knew was theory. But it was all true the only thing bothered me was the oder of the Argon as @WearyOfStruggling mentioned most probably the gas has some sort of contamination.

So you've tried it.
Did you notice anything with argon before you passed out? Or is it like with nitrogen that you are simply "gone" without noticing anything?

 

[profoundexperience]

Do I really need to use an oxygen sensor

How do you come up with an oxygen sensor? It is absolutely not necessary.

The oxygen sensor is in the PPH.

I don't think there should be enough time for a finger oxygen sensor to tell one much (there's a slight delay between when one's blood oxygen decreases at one's core and that blood reaches extremities).

I plan to use time as my "go-no-go": If I'm not unconscious in ~60 (maybe 90) seconds... something's "wrong" and I plan to abort. Much easier to monitor a clock than to be thinking about a pulse-ox... I think.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

If I understand you correctly and you're willing to discuss, how are you still here then ?

Are you asking why I am still alive when I have passed out several times with He and N2?

Or why I'm still alive even though I have a functioning nitrogen system at hand

 

[Deleted-User-0]

So you've tried it.
Did you notice anything with argon before you passed out? Or is it like with nitrogen that you are simply "gone" without noticing anything?

I simply didn't feel anything at all just got lightheaded and was going to pass out then immediately pulled out the bag was very tempting though to let go
I didn't even pay attention to the odour but for the next few hours that smell was bothering me

 

[profoundexperience]

Are you asking why I am still alive when I have passed out several times with He and N2?

Or why I'm still alive even though I have a functioning nitrogen system at hand

More the former: If you've "passed out several times with He and N2"... what was going on? (if you're willing to discuss)

Interested in your latter as well, though... I too have a "functioning nitrogen system 'at hand'".

 

[Lastsauce]

@Diver_K_A I was also curious about the claim it could take upto 60 seconds to lose consciousness.
I did my test by taping an oven bag to a wall so I would fall out of it and held the elastic cord by hand.

 

[profoundexperience]

I did my test by taping an oven bag to a wall so I would fall out of it and held the elastic cord by hand.

That's an interesting idea... May I ask what happened? (in as much detail as possible), @Lastsauce.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

@Diver_K_A I was also curious about the claim it could take upto 60 seconds to lose consciousness.
I did my test by taping an oven bag to a wall so I would fall out of it and held the elastic cord by hand.

Interesting approach .. could you please share the outcome of your experience?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

More the former: If you've "passed out several times with He and N2"... what was going on? (if you're willing to discuss)

Interested in your latter as well, though... I too have a "functioning nitrogen system 'at hand'".

Of course, I made the experiments in such a way that I breathed normal room air again after passing out.
With my nitrogen system with diving mask, I only pressed the mask to my face with my hand. When passed out, the hand with the mask fell down.

It was a little different with helium, there were two of us. Good friends who trusted each other with life.
We carried out the tests as normal while sitting, each of which had the task of removing the bag from the other's head after the person passed out.

By the way, I am ready for any discussion and have no secrets

 

[Lastsauce]

@profoundexperience @Diver_K_A I posted something about it a while ago here https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/what-is-your-preferred-method.41732/post-764823

Not great details but I really couldn't precisely tell how long it took to pass out, I was even looking straight at a stopwatch.
My guesstimate is 15-20 seconds.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Of course, I made the experiments in such a way that I breathed normal room air again after passing out.
With my nitrogen system with diving mask, I only pressed the mask to my face with my hand. When passed out, the hand with the mask fell down.

It was a little different with helium, there were two of us. Good friends who trusted each other with life.
We carried out the tests as normal while sitting, each of which had the task of removing the bag from the other's head after the person passed out.

By the way, I am ready for any discussion and have no secrets

How different was it with helium?