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@needthebus Thank you so much for this, I can see how much work and effort you put into this. I do agree that this should be posted here and ill even go beyond saying that this should be in the terms and conditions for joining.
Overall great advice, I thought I had done everything but I guess there are few more things that could be explored.
it may beDBT is bogus.
Recommending fad diets is akin to any other pseudoscience. Homeopathy and scientology are fair comparisons. Your ghost needs their license taken away.As someone who has a registered dietician/ghost living in my brain at all times, I also find your post very insulting and inaccurate. Where did you even get your so-called "information"?
the ghost/dietician living in my brain says harvard health isn't a real peer-reviewed journal and it's only a matter of time before elon musk destroys pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov, and therefore none of your claims have any validity, it also says you should try scientology, pharmakology, and homeopathy.Recommending fad diets is akin to any other pseudoscience. Homeopathy and scientology are fair comparisons. Your ghost needs their license taken away.
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Should you try the keto diet? - Harvard Health
It's advertised as a weight-loss wonder, but this eating plan is actually a medical diet that comes with serious risks. In the world of weight-loss diets, low-carbohydrate, high-protein eating plan...www.health.harvard.edu
The importance of vitamin B12 for individuals choosing plant-based diets - PMC
Vitamin B12 is an essential nutrient that is not made by plants; consequently, unfortified plant-based foods are not a reliable supply. Recent estimates suggest high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency among the vegetarian and vegan populations, ...pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
the only thing about that is some people would become full on-drug addicts and may prefer suicide over that. i get the concept, i'm just not sure everyone would make that choice (happy but addicted to hard-core drugs with extreme cravings and need for stealing prostitution etc to fund habit vs. death)I'd add drugs to the list lol, if all else fails there's substances that will force your brain to feel amazing even if only for a short while, doesn't really matter if they ruin your life when it's already shit and you want to end it anyway
I know Im in full blown relapse so I may romanticize it a little and forget my worst moments, but before addiction when I wanted to ctb I thought I at least would like to try drugs before dying to get a glimpse of what it's like to be happy lol. Also I remember reading someone's comment under a video about heroin addiction who said heroin saved their life when they were close to ending it, and that after hitting rock bottom with it they somehow managed to get back on their feet and appreciate being alive againthe only thing about that is some people would become full on-drug addicts and may prefer suicide over that. i get the concept, i'm just not sure everyone would make that choice (happy but addicted to hard-core drugs with extreme cravings and need for stealing prostitution etc to fund habit vs. death)
The gate-keeping posts about "deciding" were supposed to be clearly sarcastic.I don't agree with you "deciding" who can or cannot be in this forum.
Please...take them all lol. And keep in mind there is a hard NO RETURN POLICY !it may be
from what i heard there were decent studies showing it was more effective for helping people who were borderline or had emotional dysregulation, but it's hard to know if those studies were well done
i'm very cynical of therapy and the mental health industry in general which is why anything involving giving money to the mental health industry made up a very small part of the list. dbt is very expensive, and, as i said before, if someone can't afford something on the list, they can cross it off
@nogods4me, since i'm a depressed atheist, and you're tired of gods, can i borrow the gods you have until i feel better? i'll accept any gods as long as they come in a discount bundled deal and aren't christianity.
but what if i it doesn't fit or it's the wrong material?Please...take them all lol. And keep in mind there is a hard NO RETURN POLICY !
They're sold "As is"...so you will just have to find out whether it fits or not when it is too late. Besides, all the materials are somewhat suffocating, one might even say sadistic.but what if i it doesn't fit or it's the wrong material?
What if I'm into that?They're sold "As is"...so you will just have to find out whether it fits or not when it is too late. Besides, all the materials are somewhat suffocating, one might even say sadistic.
Well there are always the journalists and whatnot who are actively here trying to get the place shut down so I don't think you quite get that award.Well, I'm officially the most hated SaSu member now.
As an analogy (since people seem to understand non-mental illness better), suppose you were speaking to a cancer patient. There is a possibility that in a few years some miracle treatment will come out and put the patient in remission for good (the "better"). That does not currently exist, so what can you do? You can sign up for clinical trials trying out experimental chemotherapy cocktails and whatnot. This is a grueling process and it is unpleasant to say the least. I mean, chemo is literally poison; it's designed to kill (cancerous) cells but it is poison at the end of the day. So you go along and to have this chance of stumbling upon a miracle drug, you need to continuously poison yourself and put yourself in agony to keep the cancer at bay. At this point, some people would just say: I don't want the chemo anymore, let's just do hospice. Others would stick it out. I don't think either is a bad decision per se, but it's reallly an individual preference thing.
And so that's the thing, trying the things you suggest is taking the chemo. It inflicts costs on the individual, and maybe there is a payoff down the road, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's worth it. I think people know themselves best. If they've thought through their options and concluded that ctb is the best option, they know themselves and their situation better than I do.
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Second this.I understand your perspective, and the post is pretty good
Although, it is one of those self-righteous "I'm helping!" type of thing a lot of support groups have. I'm not saying this type of checklist doesn't have any value, I just want to point out that at least from my own perspective it comes off as if the list is some superior way to check if you still have things to live for lol.
I admit, just like you said, it's a good way to help out those who are not gone too far off the handle yet, those who have been depressed/suicidal for very short amount of time etc. But I wouldn't go around saying shit like "if you are 18-21 you have no business CTBing!!!", bro, that's the high horse I've been mentioning, it's toxic positivity and you literally assume that you know more about everyone than they themselves lol
Overall good talk, but yeah - more of a recovery post to me - would edit out all the guardian of life sentences you sneaked in there, and make the post as objective as you can.
lol, sort of not the point, but if everything on the list was tried, and you are still miserable, then like you've really tried hard... And even if it leaves friends and family miserable, you tried some shit, you tried to avoid just rushing into suicide...I've done all that is listed. I am therefore ready to ctb.
Is it bad to be pro choice "under certain conditions"?. So let's say, would you be okay if a guy is dumped by his girlfriend, falls into a depression, tries absolutely nothing to fix it, and catches the bus?I won't really call this a pro-choice post. Its a pro-choice under certain conditions. Being pro-choice would mean allowing anyone the freedom to die no matter what reason (aside from few exceptions like being a parent.) While this should be recommended to people who are considering to suicide but still want to give recovery ago, no one should have to do even one of these things if they don't want to. Recovery is really really difficult and I shouldn't have to do that for others cus I was forced into this mess. Its my all parents' fault for creating me that this happened, I don't owe them anything good especially as they trap me. I would say they deserve punishment and to grief from my suicide.
This is not a recovery post. This is a list of things that I think people should do or try prior to even considering an attempt. This does not apply to people who are in chronic pain due to a severe incurable illness (such as slow painful cancer, the end stages of Huntington's disease, or extreme disabilities that result in severe pain that will never improve). I am posting this in the Suicide subforum because I hope people considering an attempt read this and if they haven't done stuff suggested here that they try it prior to considering an attempt. This is not about recovery, this is about being responsible: an attempt is serious and it leaves other people (friends and family) devastated and so before even considering an attempt, you should be trying to do things to get better if you can:
1. If you are 18-21, you should wait beyond this period because brains change so much during this time.
2. Many people get depressed due to loneliness and not having sexual needs and companionship needs me. Therefore, you should at least try:
A. Putting up dating profiles on at least 4 dating websites for at least 6-12 months to see if you can meet someone.
B. Jogging every day for at least two weeks to see if there is any anti-depression impact
C. Working out 3x a week to improve your appearance
D. Getting a life coach to help you with this process, working with a life coach for at least 3 months
I really believe that when people are sad, the typical societal response is "drug them with big pharma drugs" and "have them talk about feelings in therapy." I don't think this is very effective for many people, especially people who aren't having sexual needs met. The typical societal response emphasizes introspection and being drugged instead of making specific changes in life to try to feel better. For someone extremely depressed, they also often have problems making decisions or doing things, which is why every depressed person would probably actually do better with a life coach who tells them specific things they need to do and try, rather than just being drugged and talking about their feelings for extremely high fees.
3. Many people, including young people, are unhappy due to a lack of independence and unhappy due to not feeling empowered by self-sufficiency, so before considering an attempt you should try:
A. At least 3 different jobs in different work sectors to see if having a job you like and making money makes life better.
B. Working each job for at least 3 months.
C. Having a job and making enough money to not live with your family for at least 6 months in case a lack of independence is making your depression worse.
If you have done all of these things so far, and have also tried dating while working (and work makes you more desirable to others sometimes) and you've tried to become more desirable to partners and dating and have tried working and you're 22 and are still depressed, then it's important to try other things too before considering an attempt.
4. Before considering an attempt, people should at least try medication and therapy, although from what I've seen on SaSu, most people here have already tried medication and therapy:
A. Talk with a doctor about trying at least 2 kinds of antidepressants for at least 3 months each.
B. Talk with a doctor about trying at least 1 mood stabilizer like lithium for at least a month in case you're actually bipolar
C. Talk with a doctor about trying an atypical anti-psychotic for at least 1 month in case you are in the early stages of another disorder
D. Try at least 2 psychiatrists if not feeling better when working with the first
E. Try at least 3 therapy sessions to see if there's any improvement.
If you have done all of these things, you've really given traditional mental health therapy treatments a significant try. If you haven't done literally all of these things, you probably haven't tried hard enough and shouldn't even consider attempting.
5. Before considering an attempt, people should at least try volunteering in 1 community organization at least 4 hours a week for 3 months
The reason for this is that a lot of times people who want to die feel their lives are meaningless and are lonely and don't feel connected to people. If you haven't tried volunteering somewhere, you should do this before considering an attempt.
6. Before considering a suicide attempt, you should check to make sure there isn't some lifestyle or diet factor making you feel worse. You should try:
A. Allergen test
B. Try a gluten-free diet for at least 2 weeks
C. Try a Keto diet for at least 2 weeks
D. Try a vegan diet for at least 2 weeks
7. Before considering a suicide attempt, you should get lab work done and talk to a primary care doctor to see if there's anything medically wrong that could be making you feel worse:
A. Get lab work done
B. Rule out vitamin deficiencies
8. Before considering a suicide attempt, you should at least wait 6 months to 1 year to see if your depression naturally resolves on it's own.
Before even considering a suicide attempt, I hope you try all of these things. This does not mean that if you've tried all these things then it's fine to attempt or you should consider attempting; instead it means that if you haven't tried all of these things and don't have a chronic painful medical condition that can't be treated or an end-stage illness, then your depression or life circumstances may improve dramatically yet and you really shouldn't be considering something as drastic as ending your life. This list would take about 1-2 years to do everything on if you are over 21. If economics/costs are a factor, I really hope that before considering an attempt you prioritize hiring a life coach because, unlike most mental health professionals who don't tell you what to do during a time in which it's hard to make decisions, life coaches will tell you specific things they want you to try and do.
If you are 18-21, you are too young to attempt suicide. It's a permanent decision and things could change, your brain can change, 18-21 is a hard time for many, many people. Also, please think of other people on SaSu: when younger people on SaSu die, it makes SaSu look bad and it's unfair to put the site at risk. Please try to wait until you're over 21 to protect the site.
No one under 18 should be here or reading this. Anyone being under 18 and on SaSu means they've lied to gain access and it's terribly unfair to everyone else who wants to use this site as it puts the site at risk.
To anyone reading this, sorry you are here and reading this and I hope you eventually end up happy somehow and end up never coming back to this site, and end up having a meaningful life and/or being blissfully in love with someone you care about.