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H.O.Xan

Experienced
Feb 1, 2023
278
Damn, so many ppl with hatred for having kids. I'ma go against the tide here and say having children is OKAY, AS LONG AS U CAN RAISE THEM PROPERLY.

HAVING a child is the parents' decision. WHATEVER THE REASON MAY BE. Once the child is brought into this world. U R A RESPONSIBLE PARENT. U learn to RESPECT the child's decision. If they wanna leave, THEY EXIT. U DO NOT. UR HERE FOR THEM.

THIS DOESN'T CONSTRAINT TO SOMEONE NOT HAVING KIDS just coz u guys wanna CTB asap for ur unfortunate circumstances. Sex is a natural emotion, don't bring in rape and assault BECAUSE SOMEHOW U R TRAUMATISED. SO IS THE DECISION TO HAVE AND RAISE A KID TILL THEY BECOME SENTIENT TO MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.

What r y'all doing? Have some common sense. I had to reply coz so much one-sided ops on this topic without full consideration.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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Jun 19, 2022
914
@highoffxanax parents don't and will never respect their child's decision to just leave-have you seen the vitriol from the pro-lifer parents that lost kids directed at this site? They think they own even their adult kids. If people didn't have kids no one would be traumatised in the first place-that doesn't just come from having bad parents but many different situations.
 
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sulli

Student
Jan 25, 2023
197
i wish i'd been aborted so bad
also why are people so mad ITT lol no one's coming to your house to sterilize you just bc they don't think having children is a good thing, it's not that serious
 
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Unwr!tten

Unwr!tten

Saltier than SN
Apr 10, 2023
532
The want for the eradication of the human race via ceasing to have offspring is deranged. It's not biologically normal for us not to want to procreate and so shaming people for going against that is wrong.

I respect if someone's like: "nah, kids aren't for me", or even, "People should be more careful when deciding to bring kids into this world" and sentiments like that, however having the concrete view that having children as a whole is wrong is not productive nor helpful to any conversation.

If we want the world to be a better place, why don't we focus on trying to advocate against the issues, instead of just saying, "the world sucks so let's eradicate the entire human race."?

Yes, the world is full of suffering, but it's because people want to be selfish, they don't think of or want to help others. If society could come together, the world would be a better place, but even if that isn't possible, that's when we look at other solutions, like instead of saying that everyone shouldn't have kids, maybe we advocate for mental Health checks for parents, etc…

People are always going to have children. It's basic biology, so maybe we can try and be more productive when discussing human suffering?

Idk, I'm just some random suicidal hooman on the innerweebz so maybe I'm wrong, but I have so many thoughts on this topic.
 
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d0lic3

Member
Feb 20, 2023
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My mother was pressured to have a child, and my father wasn't a good person and was abusive towards me and my mother but when he left my mother hates me that how I look like him, and I remind her of him. The world is cruel, but honestly, I'm only living because of my mother because she has been traumatized a lot in her life and she only has me. I really don't care and don't blame her.
Sometimes she blames me a lot for her issues that I haven't even created. But yet I'm stuck with her.
If you aren't in a good state or the environment you're in isn't the best. Please just don't think of giving birth to a child. Even if society pressures you, maybe if you're ready and you can promise yourself you would do everything for them and not make them suffer due to your own issues then maybe that's okay. But I decided that I would never have a child because I'm afraid I also become an abuser just like my parents were with me.
people would always be childish, I wish I wasn't born but here I am just existing.
 
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marigold

marigold

he’s there in case i want it all
Mar 30, 2023
4
The only ways children are born are through:
rape, normal/drunken sex unprotected (or if the semen somehow gets through), and semen donation

So looking at this, if people weren't raped I would say there's really no reason to have children. I can't really think of a benefit to having children. Like why would you do it? Why would you willingly (if you weren't raped) bring someone to this awful planet and way of life?

That's not to say I blame you for doing it, everyone has their own way of living. It's just it makes no sense to me.
there's lots of people in the replies full of confusion as to why people should or can procreate, and it's kind of hypocritical.

it's a human right. the same way many users here advocate for assisted suicide or for suicide to be accessible. i'm not sure where i stand yet on that discussion, but if that's what you want, you have to accept that people also have the right to live and keep living through others and expanding upon the world.

it's not fair for users to encroach on others' rights to consensually create life when many want the informed rights to die just because of their own experiences and suffering.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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Jun 19, 2022
914
@marigold is it a human right? I think the problem is, I feel like my right to stay non-existent has been encroached upon because I got forced here without consenting to it. If people gave birth to clones or people they've asked if they want to be alive I wouldn't have a problem with it.
 
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SilentSadness

SilentSadness

Sitting in the darkness.
Feb 28, 2023
1,035
This world is just slavery, people are brought into this horrific world and tormented when they try to leave. It's like many people don't see their children as human, but as objects, that are their property to throw around. To me, that's disgusting, but realistically there's nothing we can do about this.
 
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EmmaD

Specialist
Apr 11, 2023
357
@marigold is it a human right? I think the problem is, I feel like my right to stay non-existent has been encroached upon because I got forced here without consenting to it. If people gave birth to clones or people they've asked if they want to be alive I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Are you saying your permission should have been sought before you were conceived?
 
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betternever2havbeen

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Jun 19, 2022
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@EmmaD no I'm saying since it was impossible it shouldn't have ever happened.
 
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Gonnerr

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Mar 12, 2023
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Read this, very interesting book;
 

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OceanBlue

OceanBlue

Feminist
Jun 13, 2021
701
Pronatalists are really the biggest clowns, but not the funny kind, the scary kind that harm people.
On a suicide forum with antinatalism explained on so many threads and still having learned nothing.

GIF by SA Company
 
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minx

praying machine
May 20, 2023
19
While it is biologically ingrained in all species to procreate, it still plays the ultimate role in prolonging of suffering. Humans deem themselves superior to other animals, how they are more than just following instinct, yet won't forgo having offspring.

I truly believe choosing not to have children is the highest act of kindness and altruism one can make. Many people don't see this and it makes me sad, frustrated and hurt, but i am trying to forgive them. They are driven by their animalistic instincts, much like the survival instinct keeping us here.

I just hope one day we can collectively realise that this world will be better without us and that we ourselves would be better off non-existent. Maybe suicide wouldn't have to be an option for so many then.
 
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EmmaD

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Apr 11, 2023
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Read this, very interesting book;
Thank you for this! I just started reading it and I'm going to carry on. Antinatalism does seem like it's becoming quite a dominant view on SS these days and causing a fair amount of conflict so it will be good to try to understand it properly.
Thanks for actually giving information rather than just bitching.. :))
 
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Hikikomori1

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Mar 27, 2023
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Bringing children into the current world is an awful thing to do.
 
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Mirrory Me

Mirrory Me

"Life's a mirror, but 'whose' mirror?"
Mar 23, 2023
1,014
What is the meaning of life...

Edit: I asked this question from a tarot reader, I think the answer is for you.
 
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timetodie24

Elementalist
Apr 14, 2023
841
The want for the eradication of the human race via ceasing to have offspring is deranged. It's not biologically normal for us not to want to procreate and so shaming people for going against that is wrong.

I respect if someone's like: "nah, kids aren't for me", or even, "People should be more careful when deciding to bring kids into this world" and sentiments like that, however having the concrete view that having children as a whole is wrong is not productive nor helpful to any conversation.

If we want the world to be a better place, why don't we focus on trying to advocate against the issues, instead of just saying, "the world sucks so let's eradicate the entire human race."?

Yes, the world is full of suffering, but it's because people want to be selfish, they don't think of or want to help others. If society could come together, the world would be a better place, but even if that isn't possible, that's when we look at other solutions, like instead of saying that everyone shouldn't have kids, maybe we advocate for mental Health checks for parents, etc…

People are always going to have children. It's basic biology, so maybe we can try and be more productive when discussing human suffering?

Idk, I'm just some random suicidal hooman on the innerweebz so maybe I'm wrong, but I have so many thoughts on this topic.
Yeah I think there's a lot of grey area between 'children are beautiful' 'life is beautiful' and ' all humanity should cease to exist ' that people here don't account for.

I absolutely wish I wasn't born . I wouldn't bring children into this world because I mean i'm not sticking around long enough for that to happen but also I know I wouldn't be a fit parent.

I think it'd be easy to think ' well I'm suffering and wish I wasn't born, I come here and 1000s of people are suffering and wish they weren't born. Therefore, no one should be born'. BUT i think people forget we're the minority here. Yes, i don't understand it but despite all the suffering in the world, billions of people never experience suicidal thoughts, or still want to live despite them (yes you can both want to live and want to die). Billions of people find happiness and fulfilment in life . Many people are as intensely determined to live as we are to die. You hear of terminally ill people who do everything, clinical trials, expensive treatments abroad, unconvential therapies, give everything they've got because they want to live. People who have near death experiences and are really glad of their second chance. Or what about all the people focused on living into older age. Living to 100 sounds hell for me but for some it's the goal.

Yes many people wish they weren't born. The majority of people here wish they weren't . But the majority of the world population is glad they were.

Yes many people also suffer, and i'm not saying everyone can find that happiness and fulfilment in life. I haven't found it and I know I never will . But I don't think we can discount that somehow lots of people enjoy and even love life. There's many cases where people shouldn't have had kids at all. But there's also many babies who have grown up to be adults who enjoy life and wish to live.

The issue with suicidal parents is another matter and don't want to go into long debate because there's a lot of different situations. I'm not a parent and have never lost a parent so i think it's not really my place. But i do think it's interesting how everyone is pro-choice until the person who ctb has a child.
 
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NumbItAll

NumbItAll

expendable
May 20, 2018
1,090
I'm glad to see more and more young people actively choosing not to reproduce at this point. We now have more parents telling their children to think extra careful before bringing more lives into this sick world. I know that's exactly what I did, and neither of my grown children want kids. People are actually progressing in that area, so hopefully the majority will wake up and defy the old mindset of marriage and 2.5 kids.
True, but antinatalists will just self-select ourselves out of existence, while natalists continue to flourish and pump out more units. That is kind of how we got into this predicament in the first place. :ahhha: For that reason I think antinatalists will always be a fringe minority outside of obscure communities like this one.
 
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charlotte_

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Mar 12, 2023
435
At the end of the day, humans are mere animals. We are driven to procreate, to survive, to adapt to our environment ect. It really is just rooted in the human nature. People only start making up those seemingly positive reasons as a way to make sense of this act, when in reality it never did. Originally, no one asked to be born and no one asked to die, but we're here and slowly moving toward our ends. Therefore, I can't really blame parents for having kids. As long as they don't make their lives hell of course.
 
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Pidgeons_Sparrows

-flying rat
Apr 16, 2023
627
People have children because they are selfish
their lives are miserable, they have no happiness and they failed to secure themselves a financial future for when theyre old and cannot work anymore, so they get a child to have someone to take care of them and a source of happiness
while completely disregarding all the suffering they have just brought into the world
bonus points if its some narcicisstic drug addict living in poverty that goes on to have a child, if you do that in those circumstances, i have 0 empathy for you. eat shit and die
 
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Night45

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Jun 14, 2023
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People have children because they are selfish
their lives are miserable, they have no happiness and they failed to secure themselves a financial future for when theyre old and cannot work anymore, so they get a child to have someone to take care of them and a source of happiness
while completely disregarding all the suffering they have just brought into the world
bonus points if its some narcicisstic drug addict living in poverty that goes on to have a child, if you do that in those circumstances, i have 0 empathy for you. eat shit and die
You were lucky to have this awareness whilst young and to be able to choose to not have children and to try to live a life that reflects those principles.

Imagine the horror and suffering of someone robbed of that true choice because of abuse who over time realised they were abused and starts to undo their brainwashing and see the real horror of the world but they already 'chose' to have children before this awakening. Then they decide that they will do everything in their power to save their children from the same abuse so they separate themselves from all the toxic people they know but life proves to hard like that and trusting new people is so scary now. After a while trying to break that cycle of abuse and suffering can feel like just way too much. Especially if you're doing it alone which is also likely if you were abused as a child so you went on to gravitate towards abusive partners.

None us has the answers about how to make the worlds more tolerable for ourselves but parents are expected to have it for themselves and their children too?! Do you know how painful it is to feel that any and all effort can't save your children anyway when you can barely manage the basics from the sheer mental drain of trying to function? Trying to be something to someone when no one was that to you and you're making it up as best as you can as you go along because you literally have never seen genuine love before so you have no idea if you're getting it right or not.
 
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fkyou

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Oct 1, 2022
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Most people have good lives and die peacefully in their sleep. Children are born to be loved and they love back. You can never say Children shouldn't be born. The world is mainly happiness not doom and gloom. It just depends what card you been dealt.
You are clearly a man.i agree life as man is so comfortable.a woman? No.
 
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Livingvsdying25

Enlightened
Dec 8, 2019
1,188
I think its really fucking weird on a right to die forum to be telling people/shaming people for wanting or having kids like... this is not it at all.

I personally never wanted to have biological kids bc of hormonal issues and the worry about how it would feel for like 9 months? Plus all the health issues I have now but I was planning to adopt. If I live I do still plan to adopt. I will just make sure I am in a good place and have enough support.

Either way I don't think its wrong to have kids Or to want to.

Not everyone lives are full of negative. Some people have it together in ways in which if they had kids, the kids would have great lives. I know someone like this and I can't wait till she has kids!! She'll have so much community support too. If I stick around I'll be one of them and happy about it.. yeah lots can happen in those kkds lives that will be hardships but ik they won't live that life alone.


It's fine to not want kids yourselves but its audacious and wrong to be telling others how they should feel about it or trying to shame those that do have kids.
 
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Leagueofgentlemen

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Apr 19, 2023
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I can't think of anything more repulsive and soul destroying than having a child. I can't fathom how it's so popular and widespread!!
 
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MatrixPrisoner

Enlightened
Jul 8, 2023
1,408
I've always wondered how 99% of people can rationalize having children. Are they not familiar with the stress that comes with it, and low probability of the children actually making something of themselves and having a decent quality of life? Is 25+ years of living on this planet not enough to see that the world is a hell hole?
 
DEATH IS FREEDOM

DEATH IS FREEDOM

Death is the solution to unsolvable problems.
Sep 13, 2023
608
Birth is the cause of all suffering and death. People should not complain about death and suicide. Every time someone reproduces, there will be a human that must die.
 
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tunnelV

Misanthrope is my religion
Oct 19, 2023
120
I've never been interested in having kids. As a woman people think it's normal to pressure you into the mindset. They TRY to make you feel like you're abnormal for avoiding it. The same people will never ask your reasons. Just baseless judgements.

I saw my mom struggling and suffering because she had kids. My sister had 2 kids to baby trap a guy. First time to keel him around. When he wanted a divorce she got pregnant again it's not his but the law says it's his through marriage. That man is on antidepressants and a shell of what is was only after a few years with my demon narcissistic sister. On their wedding dead I felt so guilty that I didn't couldn't warn him. I think it wouldn't have mattered. He has old school views to marry who you get pregnant. She told him she was on birth control. She had been on it for over 10 years without it failing. I believe she stopped taking it with him without him knowing and she pretended it failed. She has degraded me for not having kids. Even though she had them simply as a control manipulative tactic.
 
EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
Oct 21, 2023
2,883
I think most people don't view children as humans but rather as things. They gush over this idea they have in their head of a cute little thing that they can play with, cuddle with, dress up, etc, without ever thinking about the child and their well-being. They see them as something they can use to bring joy into their life or to save their relationship. They are something they can push all their aspirations on to and can live through. Then they have them and realize that children aren't all sunshines and rainbows. They're little human-beings who need to learn how to control and evaluate their emotions, how boundaries work, how to be considerate of others, how to communicate and express their feelings properly, etc.

I think that deciding to have children is always a selfish decision. It annoys me how parents will act as though they did something selfless and admirable by giving life to someone who never asked for it in the first. To make matters worse, most parents get upset when you tell them to actually respect their children. They will use every excuse in the book to brush away any criticisms or concerns in regards to how they treat their kids.

If I were to yell, insult, or hit another adult, I could get in trouble. It would be considered a bad thing and I'd be shamed for it. If I were to use the excuse of "well, I'm just disciplining them" or "well, I've been _______ before and I'm okay" to invalidate any concerns people had over my actions, people would wonder if I was crazy or something. Do the same things but towards a child and it's suddenly alright.

Children aren't afforded the luxury of having their boundaries respected, being allowed to express their emotions, having their opinions heard, etc, and people think it's fine. These people who talk about wanting kids and loving them so muchcare less about treating them with basic human decency than me, some dumbass who can't stand the idea of being a mom! How is it that the same people who will go as far as to shame others (especially women) for not having kids because they love them so much can't even be bothered with reflecting on how they and society treat and view children? It always confused since I started thinking about these things back in high school! I was even more of an idiot back then than I am now (I'm not even joking, I'm so dumb that I can't even follow basic instructions without getting confused)!

People have children out of a mixture of instinct, expectation, and because they view them as objects. They're a thing to them and nothing else. Most parents should not be parents. If you can't even do something as simple as not scream a whole bunch at your kid then why are you having kids? I don't identify as anti-natalist, however I find myself slowly being pushed more and more towards that philosphy everyday.

I'm sorry about going a bit off topic here with my rant about how people treat children. It just annoys me how people will do anything to but reflect on their actions towards children, along with how others treated them as a child and how that made them feel at the time. I'm not a good person. I used to be pretty aggressive towards my younger brother when I was younger. I think I was just projecting a lot of my feelings on to him at the time and directing my anger on to him. My behaviour towards him thankfully changed after I decided to cut off my stepmother near the end of grade 8. I just can't help but think back to then and feel guilty. I constantly worry that I might have messed him up for life and all the trauma I caused him is just swirling around in there, waiting to explode. It makes me wonder how people could treat children the way they do and not feel guilty about it. How can they not feel bad about making their child fear them in any capacity. You are their PARENT! A CHILD SHOULD NEVER FEAR THEIR PARENT! You can give them all of the decades of research we have on common "disciplinary methods" that actually have serious long-term side effects associated with them and are ineffective and they will argue tooth and nail to justify using them. People will talk about "protecting the children" but then harm and scare their children when they misbehave a bit, break something on accident, etc. They'll throw their kid out of their home for being queer, but somehow I'm expected to belive they care about children? I remember back, when I was around 10 or 11, watching my friend cry after her mom hit her and having her tell me about how she prays to god and writes to him asking if he could make her stop doing that. Her mom wasn't hitting her until she was black and blue, yet the pain that came from having someone she loved and looked up to hurting her and violating her boundaries was enough for her to go pray to him after every time it happened, begging him to make her understand her pain and get her to stop. I didn't fully understand it at the time but now that I'm older I can see how truly heart-breaking it is.

There is no reason for anyone to have children. Deciding to have a child is a selfish decision and if you decide to have one then you should at the very least go out of your way to go beyond and above for them. Viewing and treating them as a human-being who deserves the same amount of respect as anyone else and understanding that they are young and still learning a lot and helping them with that should be the standard that all parents should try and meet.
 
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casual_existence

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Jul 29, 2023
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I've never been interested in having kids. As a woman people think it's normal to pressure you into the mindset. They TRY to make you feel like you're abnormal for avoiding it. The same people will never ask your reasons. Just baseless judgements.

I saw my mom struggling and suffering because she had kids. My sister had 2 kids to baby trap a guy. First time to keel him around. When he wanted a divorce she got pregnant again it's not his but the law says it's his through marriage. That man is on antidepressants and a shell of what is was only after a few years with my demon narcissistic sister. On their wedding dead I felt so guilty that I didn't couldn't warn him. I think it wouldn't have mattered. He has old school views to marry who you get pregnant. She told him she was on birth control. She had been on it for over 10 years without it failing. I believe she stopped taking it with him without him knowing and she pretended it failed. She has degraded me for not having kids. Even though she had them simply as a control manipulative tactic.
That dude's an idiot. Condoms exist.
 
thewalkingdread

thewalkingdread

Life is a pointless, undeserved, unnecessary pain.
Oct 30, 2023
489
I see a lot of suicidal moms and fathers here asking if it's okay to CTB and leave the small kid behind. it's like why did you even have a kid if you knew that you plan to CTB? I think it's cruel to say that to them but I always think this whenever I see a post like that. they always say how they wanted to CTB since forever but then still decided to bring a kid into the world knowing they might CTB in the future and leave that kid behind.

I couldn't agree more with you on this point.

I will go even further and say that if one has brought a child into life, then one isn't entitled to the right-to-die anymore — except under special circumstances like terminal illness, etc.

One's right-to-die expires the moment one procreates. That's like signing a contract — sealing the deal — for life. And it's only fair that one's got to live against one's will for the sake of the child.
 
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