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ultrasharpy123456

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Aug 18, 2022
634
The only ways children are born are through:
rape, normal/drunken sex unprotected (or if the semen somehow gets through), and semen donation

So looking at this, if people weren't raped I would say there's really no reason to have children. I can't really think of a benefit to having children. Like why would you do it? Why would you willingly (if you weren't raped) bring someone to this awful planet and way of life?

That's not to say I blame you for doing it, everyone has their own way of living. It's just it makes no sense to me.
 
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betternever2havbeen

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Jun 19, 2022
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I don't get it either, I think bringing children into this world is one of the worst things anyone can do. I ask my mother all the time why did you do it, why did you bring me here?! Was it just for entertainment value? Is it hilarious seeing me miserable? She created life SO frivolously, like so many do without any thought whatsoever.
 
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yive

life is evil
Nov 6, 2020
696
Another argument often comes back in the mouths of the irresponsible ones who generate us. For them, it is a matter of "leaving a trace". Curious impulse.

Let us immediately point out that from an ethological point of view, this is akin to the attitude many mammals have to leave droppings on the ground to mark their presence or their territory. The dog that urinates on the lamp post also leaves a trace; this trace however, unlike the baby, benefits from the privilege of not having to endure the grueling constraints of existence...

From a psychoanalytical angle, as one knows, this desire to "leave a trace" is rooted in the behaviour of the toddler who identifies its first excrements with a gift and endeavours to make of them the very judicious present to its moved mother... Thus, there is nothing very evolved nor very mature in this desire to mark one's temporal space while making present to one's contemporaries of a "thing" fallen down from a viscera... There is definitely too much of Freudian Id in this identity fantasy for it to constitute itself as a credible argument.

But trace for trace, if it really matters to leave one in order not to deny our mammalian instinct nor betray our futile hope of immortality, it seems to me that a work of art, science, thought or philanthropy, has all the same a little more value than a catastrophe of flesh. Excrement for excrement, some are more useful and more noble than others. We must admit that the fact of leaving a fleshly offspring lies within reach of any cockroach or earthworm. Nothing, by the way, more amusing than watching a cow calve, or a swine fertilize its sow.

In truth, one generates carnal creatures only by inability to do better: generating spiritual creations...

"Leaving a trace". Very strange idea. There are so many mediocre people: and thus, they desire to leave a trace of their mediocrity! Spare yourself this trouble, you insignificant gentlemen and gentlewomen, we will do very well without any remembrance of you. Unnoticed during your lifetime you hope to be noticed post-mortem? You want to perpetuate your name? What good is it, if your child imitates you and remains as anonymous as yourself?

Recognize the absurd, even the burlesque, of this will to reproduce in order "not to fall into oblivion" since within a few quick generations your greatgrandchildren will not even know your first name nor the color of your hair, as for the luxuriance of your personality... If you dread the transience as well as the drama of our mortality (in which however you have no scruple to enlist the depositaries of your paranoid fear of death...), rather engrave your anthroponym on a granite outcrop: some petroglyphs cheerfully cross the millennia. Or ask someone to carve on your tombstone an elegant quatrain of your invention, the latter will still be legible when your pitiful heirs have already been nibbled by other wormlings.
— Théophile de Giraud, "The Art of Guillotining Procreators: An Antinatalist Manifesto"
 
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glitterypearls

sing me to sleep
Mar 23, 2023
183
I'm gonna say something that most people don't agree on. children aren't a blessing. people have children to fix their relationship or to fix themselves for the most part but then you have the most fucked up people having children and neglecting them (or abusing them) which cause the kid to grow up with long-term trauma. then you have depressed people who could barely take care of themselves.. thinking that having a kid will make them happy. it's like why?

I see a lot of suicidal moms and fathers here asking if it's okay to CTB and leave the small kid behind. it's like why did you even have a kid if you knew that you plan to CTB? I think it's cruel to say that to them but I always think this whenever I see a post like that. they always say how they wanted to CTB since forever but then still decided to bring a kid into the world knowing they might CTB in the future and leave that kid behind.

there is so many unhappy children in this world, all because adults decided they wanna kids when they aren't fit to raise a kid. my dad who was fit to raise a kid died when I was very young then he left me with my mom who is a narcissist. if it wasn't for her then I wouldn't be suicidal with trauma and sexual assault as a kid (long story but she decided to ignore it and decided to put me in harms way) I'm really passionate about this, don't fucking have a kid even if you JUST feel depressed. there is no guarantee that you will be there for your kid. it break my heart to see abused kids who post online about wanting to CTB because of their parents abuse or neglect towards them. then you have a kid with bad abandonment issue cause a parent decided to CTB at an age where the kid needed them the most. I seen this tiktok that was heartbreaking the dad decided to CTB and only texted his son "goodnight, I love you" and the son kept thinking that it was his fault cause he didn't reply to his dad. the world is cruel already as it's so don't bring a kid if you aren't ready to be the best parent for them.
 
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WaffleWoman

WaffleWoman

Ready to sleep
May 16, 2023
177
I cant see myself brining another person into a world i see no future in humanity not only knows of its issues but actively does nothing about it because of it this planet is doomed why would i bring a another living being into that cycle.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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Yeah, I can't say I understand it myself but then- I've never been in love. I think that can make a difference- not just in terms of being horny and having sex. I think in loving someone else, you can want to create something with them- as it were. Plus- we're animals at the end of the day. The drive to reproduce is still there.

If I'm REALLY honest though- I find it hard to get my head around. Especially with people who are already suffering themselves with things like depression. I'm pretty sure that's hereditary. I certainly wouldn't want to curse a child with my genes.

Awful life situation is just as bad. While my heart breaks when there is footage of children starving to death in Africa- I can't help but think WHY? WHY did you have that child? Knowing what was VERY likely to happen to it? I suppose it's to do with culture and expectations but then it's like- start defying those expectations!

I guess some people attribute their own depression in life to how (badly) they were treated. I think some people have children with the (good) intentions of giving them all the love and support they never received. Others don't actually develop ideation till after having children.

If I'm honest, I really struggle with suicidal parents though. My Mum died of natural causes when I was 3. Life has been VERY hard without her. To read that people are deliberately choosing to abandon their children is really distressing to me. Plus, I have to admit- I can't help but think- Why did you have them if you knew this might happen?

Still- at the end of the day- we're all only human. We are here because of a specific set of life circumstances. I get the impression many of us here are single. Perhaps it's easier to stand in judgement when you haven't gone down the route of meeting someone, falling in love and either you- or, both of you and all your families wanting you to have children.
 
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I wish I were a cat

I wish I were a cat

Sleep is good, death is better.
Apr 14, 2023
67
I agree. I find 0 reasons to procreate and 103847383829939373 reasons not to 😅
It truly would be one of my worst nightmares.
 
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leavingsoon99

I'm at peace... Finally.
Mar 16, 2023
722
The only ways children are born are through:
rape, normal/drunken sex unprotected (or if the semen somehow gets through), and semen donation

So looking at this, if people weren't raped I would say there's really no reason to have children. I can't really think of a benefit to having children. Like why would you do it? Why would you willingly (if you weren't raped) bring someone to this awful planet and way of life?

That's not to say I blame you for doing it, everyone has their own way of living. It's just it makes no sense to me.
I'm so happy I didn't bring another life onto this planet. I'm glad I didn't create another human. To condemn someone who now has to navigate through high-functioning 'ape-ism' is nothing short of abuse and toxicity. Furthermore, to bring a child into the world without the adequate means actually giving that child the kind of life that will allow them to grow and become a viable instrument of positive change and real hope is nothing short of evil and mean. I mean, people don't even bring forth children out of love. They do it because they're horny and irresponsible.

That's one thing I can say I didn't do, is bring a child into bad circumstances. And life itself, given the way that this world is now, is a bad circumstance. Sometimes, the generational curse that needs to be broken is life, itself.
 
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Vizzy

Vizzy

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May 6, 2023
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The only ways children are born are through:
rape, normal/drunken sex unprotected (or if the semen somehow gets through), and semen donation

So looking at this, if people weren't raped I would say there's really no reason to have children. I can't really think of a benefit to having children. Like why would you do it? Why would you willingly (if you weren't raped) bring someone to this awful planet and way of life?

That's not to say I blame you for doing it, everyone has their own way of living. It's just it makes no sense to me.
I won't say no children but I will say government to pass a law where a couple can have only one kid!
 
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never mind me

Student
Nov 7, 2022
131
I don't understand either why people have children. The mere thought of having some kind of parasite (an embryo basically is a parasite as it uses your oxygen and food to feed itself) in myself for 9 months is so disgusting that I would immediately kill myself, if I found myself pregnant without being able to get an abortion. Being impregnated while being raped would make it even more disgusting. Ugh.
 
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Conker

Specialist
Oct 22, 2019
351
breatharian children would be lovely, NWO kids down here tho idc for and are a waste of time on average.
My sensei always said and I quote.
'Science lies: Every 1 in 4 person is a psychopath or on the road to becoming one.'

meet me somewhere in the middle why don'tcha?


 
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rashedul

misanthropic, anti-natalist, agnostic theist
May 8, 2023
4
Elon Musk talked about population collapse and many others, it is definitely gonna happen due to the expansion of male infertility and anti-natalism. People are gonna become aware more and more about this and stop producing children.
 
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GreenTree

Mage
Jun 1, 2020
568
Load of bollocks. Children are beautiful. I got a beautiful daughter. If me and you all weren't so fucked up you'd appreciate the beauty of children. 99.9% of the world are enjoying the beauty of having children. You all don't agree with having children as your in such pain and wish you were never born.
 
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loopdaloop

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Apr 16, 2023
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Lots of pregnancies are made by mistake, a lot of children are mistakes.
 
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May 8, 2023
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The only ways children are born are through:
rape, normal/drunken sex unprotected (or if the semen somehow gets through), and semen donation

So looking at this, if people weren't raped I would say there's really no reason to have children. I can't really think of a benefit to having children. Like why would you do it? Why would you willingly (if you weren't raped) bring someone to this awful planet and way of life?

That's not to say I blame you for doing it, everyone has their own way of living. It's just it makes no sense to
The only ways children are born are through:
rape, normal/drunken sex unprotected (or if the semen somehow gets through), and semen donation

So looking at this, if people weren't raped I would say there's really no reason to have children. I can't really think of a benefit to having children. Like why would you do it? Why would you willingly (if you weren't raped) bring someone to this awful planet and way of life?

That's not to say I blame you for doing it, everyone has their own way of living. It's just it makes no sense to me.
Honestly I thought I was the only one that thought like this. I personally don't get it. Especially because people know how awful other people are and how just messed up and cruel this world really is. Like I'm sorry but if you really want a child that bad, there are so many lost kids at orphans looking for homes, go help one of them. But no instead they decided to fuck over someone's like by bringing them into this world. I just will never understand how someone can generally do that....
 
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FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
37,200
The reality is that nobody should ever procreate and the human species should realistically go extinct voluntarily. It's really tragic how pronatalists are too blinded by their delusions and lack awareness to realise how harmful such a thing truly is, as it's undeniable that this world is such a hellish, dangerous place, no sane person would choose to procreate.

Procreation is an absolutely disgusting, selfish and cruel act that is always unacceptable, it's the ultimate cause of all the suffering that humans go through, and it's so tragic that human life continues to be brought here when the state of nonexistence is perfection, those who don't yet exist should be left alone in peace where nothing can hurt them, the fact that humans continue to procreate shows they have no compassion for the person who they are forcing here and are only thinking about themselves.

Those who don't yet exist don't deserve to be punished by being burdened with existence in a world where there is unlimited potential for harm and suffering, existence is filled with endless risks where all that we are destined for is to decay from age and suffer a great deal in the process. And just the fact that suicide is so difficult in this world means that to me existence is slavery and imprisonment as one cannot easily free themselves.
 
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CentreMid

CentreMid

Sorry
Aug 23, 2018
478
Yeah, I agree, I just don't get it, especially nowadays with the declining state of the world. I know for myself that I'm not fit to have children, even through adoption (I can barely support myself financially and mentally. How the hell am I supposed to support a child as well?), and society's slow collapse just solidifies my stance. I just don't understand why someone would want to bring a child into this uphill rat race. Of course, I'm only speaking about consensual pregnancies here.
 
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betternever2havbeen

Paragon
Jun 19, 2022
914
Load of bollocks. Children are beautiful. I got a beautiful daughter. If me and you all weren't so fucked up you'd appreciate the beauty of children. 99.9% of the world are enjoying the beauty of having children. You all don't agree with having children as your in such pain and wish you were never born.
I think a lot of us appreciate children as being beautiful and innocent, which is why we want to spare them from some of the horrors of life. I don't think children should exist just to makes parents lives happier which is what you seem to think-although it didn't work out for you for whatever reason. Children are people in their own right, not there for parents to enjoy.
 
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GreenTree

Mage
Jun 1, 2020
568
I think a lot of us appreciate children as being beautiful and innocent, which is why we want to spare them from some of the horrors of life. I don't think children should exist just to makes parents lives happier which is what you seem to think-although it didn't work out for you for whatever reason. Children are people in their own right, not there for parents to enjoy.
Most people have good lives and die peacefully in their sleep. Children are born to be loved and they love back. You can never say Children shouldn't be born. The world is mainly happiness not doom and gloom. It just depends what card you been dealt.
 
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ultrasharpy123456

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Aug 18, 2022
634
Load of bollocks. Children are beautiful. I got a beautiful daughter. If me and you all weren't so fucked up you'd appreciate the beauty of children. 99.9% of the world are enjoying the beauty of having children. You all don't agree with having children as your in such pain and wish you were never born.
I simply don't agree.
 
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juxtajuno

bpd qweenie <3
Jan 25, 2023
61
bringing children into a dying planet with fucked up leadership is the worst possible thing you could do to them. it's a gamble which set of parents (or single parent) you're born to. i got the short end of the stick, unfortunately. i don't see why you would have a child just to abuse them and manipulate them for your own gain. it's sick. i'm never having children, mostly out of fear that i would be a horrible mother like my own mom, and partially out of not wanting to subject my children to the cruel indifference of this planet. i wouldn't wish existence on my worst enemy.
 
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GreenTree

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Jun 1, 2020
568
So are the majority of the 8 billion people on this planet suicidal like us. No they are not. Their leading fruitful happy lives with children.
 
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Selenophile

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Apr 21, 2023
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I want to have children but... The reason that's stopping from doing so is the rational thinking. Everything is expensive nowadays and people expect you to have a status that you could flex in the future.I don't want to put that pressure to my child. Everyone is competitive.
 
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ringo99

Arcanist
Apr 18, 2023
404
There's no way I'd ever be a competent father/husband. I was painfully introverted and had no proper father figure growing up. My own father was abused by my grandmother as a child and inflicted similar trauma on me and my mother. He's emotionally and intellectually stunted yet has a colossal ego fed by his equally moronic father that prevents him from realizing what a piece of shit he turned out to be. Wouldn't be so bad if he'd had the spine and brains to realize he was completely unfit to start a family. As a result I grew up in a toxic household where I'd regularly watch my mother being psychologically abused constantly. I'd escape into the internet and video games and as a result never developed meaningful connections with others and have no desire to anymore. If I decided to raise kids I'd just be continuing the cycle of trauma and abuse that my grandparents initiated.
 
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Vizzy

Vizzy

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May 6, 2023
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China tried that. Backfired spectacularly
It doesn't matter, I will say China to double down on that

Make the rules strong, if some don't follow execute them, after some executions people will follow, no resources in this world to feed them all!
 
HitBlackVein

HitBlackVein

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Apr 12, 2023
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The only ways children are born are through:
rape, normal/drunken sex unprotected (or if the semen somehow gets through), and semen donation

So looking at this, if people weren't raped I would say there's really no reason to have children. I can't really think of a benefit to having children. Like why would you do it? Why would you willingly (if you weren't raped) bring someone to this awful planet and way of life?

That's not to say I blame you for doing it, everyone has their own way of living. It's just it makes no sense to me.
It doesn't make sense to me either, I feel like every parent hates their kids nowadays. I heard that kids are born from love, but when I look at my parents, I feel like I was nuisance for them for my whole life. People have a kids because they have no other choice when someone gets pregnant, and there is just no "turning back", it infuriates me. Why would you bring a child that will be unloved, unwanted, and probably will end up similarly to us? It's sad.
 
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prone2fury

i have pretty hair
Feb 4, 2023
51
i think about this a lot lol, i'm glad someone brought it up. having children is just one of those things that people, especially women, are sold on starting early in life. not to mention that most people are just hardwired to find babies cute and want to protect them. but the human brain is absolutely not equipped to comprehend the state of the world it's bringing children into. almost every parent i have ever seen has had children out of that base impulse. so many of them just do it because they want kids, and their thought process ends there. and this is why there are so many children in the foster care system, so many that are neglected because their POS parents made a selfish choice. that's really all it is, just selfishness, which is ironic, isn't it?
 
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Mthom2

Student
Oct 19, 2020
156
I'm glad to see more and more young people actively choosing not to reproduce at this point. We now have more parents telling their children to think extra careful before bringing more lives into this sick world. I know that's exactly what I did, and neither of my grown children want kids. People are actually progressing in that area, so hopefully the majority will wake up and defy the old mindset of marriage and 2.5 kids.
 
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TheDevilsAngel

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Apr 22, 2019
768
I just hope that my children won't suffer like I do. I feel bad for bringing them into a world like this :(
 
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