Volo vent
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- Sep 20, 2021
- 62
Interesting, this type of places are always swarmed by uncaring scum from where this glowers even come from i doubt the are the 3 letters variant
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Green Destiny
Life isn't worth the trouble.
- Nov 16, 2019
- 867
This post seems awfully similar to another bible pushing post I saw a few months back. Didn't you get banned before pal? And now decided to make another Profile just to say the same religious BS and talk down to the people on this site once again? Piss off dude. You want to believe what you said? Fine fair enough. But don't you force your own opinions on us, makes you no better than the people that drive us to this site to begin with.
squirley
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- May 6, 2023
- 582
Peace can be no longer feeling the pain...
Caused by illness, trauma etc.
Mental / physical.
Death is death. And that it is the end.
agreed.
And I hope you find it if that's your wish.
I think that's why there is a
recovery section / ctb section
And I hope whatever one you're in
It works out for you.
TimeToPackUp
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- Apr 28, 2023
- 19
Classic fear mongering. You have no idea what comes after death, just like the rest of us and everyone else. Why should I be forced to endure this shitty life when there are others who don't have it nearly as bad? Yes there are other people struggling, some are worse off then me, it's their decision if they want to continue to suffer or not or find a way to exit.
I wish I were a cat
Sleep is good, death is better.
- Apr 14, 2023
- 67
people that use expressions like 'this is the truth whether you believe it or not' have nothing to substantiate their claims. cause you damn well know you can't point to any empirical facts to prove your view on this
bit nonsense post, first u say ` the truth of reality is God ` and couple words after `because screw jesus` , common man what u tryng do needs atleast a bit of coerence.
Little_Suzy
Amphibious
- May 1, 2023
- 941
You should post the link, so that everyone can see it. If you suspect a troll burner account, please notify an administrator.
It just seems like it would be really counter intuitive to accept these claims as fact without any evidence considering that I've analyzed the logic a hundred different ways and done much to interpret my whole lived experience which has led me to the opposite conclusion as yours. If you had good intentions, then thanks for the post, but as I'm sure you are aware by now hopefully, it does come off as really patronizing.
Here is a little thought experiment that I've found helpful in the past for empathizing with those suffering beyond the levels I can conceptualize:
Imagine the worst day of your whole life and try to form a vivid picture in your head of how that felt for you. Now think about the fact that somebody on this website is probably living with a condition or circumstance that makes their mental/physical state similar to that or even multiplies the severity to some extent and this is every single day for them. Maybe some days are slightly better or slightly worse, but it stays around the same amplified severity everyday, only with small fluctuations.
Believe it or not, there are some conditions/rare cases of more common conditions that provoke an unfathomable severity of suffering (Much more severe than what you or I are feeling currently). You made it clear that you have been through some bad things, and I'm not seeking to minimize what you've been through. What I am trying to do however, is express that even the worst day of your life as a person who has struggled, may be the norm or even better than some of those who are more unfortunate. The same thing applies to me as well despite the fact that I'd describe the majority of my life as torment.
Here is a little thought experiment that I've found helpful in the past for empathizing with those suffering beyond the levels I can conceptualize:
Imagine the worst day of your whole life and try to form a vivid picture in your head of how that felt for you. Now think about the fact that somebody on this website is probably living with a condition or circumstance that makes their mental/physical state similar to that or even multiplies the severity to some extent and this is every single day for them. Maybe some days are slightly better or slightly worse, but it stays around the same amplified severity everyday, only with small fluctuations.
Believe it or not, there are some conditions/rare cases of more common conditions that provoke an unfathomable severity of suffering (Much more severe than what you or I are feeling currently). You made it clear that you have been through some bad things, and I'm not seeking to minimize what you've been through. What I am trying to do however, is express that even the worst day of your life as a person who has struggled, may be the norm or even better than some of those who are more unfortunate. The same thing applies to me as well despite the fact that I'd describe the majority of my life as torment.
I'm not going to go into the details of my degenerative condition but I promise you this. If I meet your God in the afterlife I'm going to kick him square in his sadistic fucking nuts. And I'll keep kicking him in his sadistic fucking nuts until he makes me God at which point I will lash him to a nut kicking machine that will kick his nuts for the rest of eternity. Cheers.
howl pendragon
What matters is you, and not the state of you.
- May 1, 2023
- 63
This post is so effed up for so many reasons. But since it's such an interesting topic to me, personally, I'll take a moment to adress your claims.
I first must state that I am spiritual but not religious. I view myself somewhat as a Gnostic person. For those interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
All your arguments are NOT based in an unreligious view, or even are universal humankind views. You are adressing suicide as an "sinfull" action, which is a view mainly present in Christianism and other Abrahamic religions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
In this religious views, the human is a flawed being, that must comply with repentance and must be humble before an omnipotent deity, kneeling in your insignificance, to receive forgiveness and be able to receive the gift of eternal live. Thus, suffering is an act of "god" allowing you to "pay for your sins". The problem with this argumentation is that, is "god" not perfect? If he is in fact omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, so that means all humans were made, in fact, unperfect. And doomed to suffer with the imperfections of the flesh, which requires inhuman will to surpass. Thus, we are doomed to fail. For example, carnal desires, that are basic nature of any living being, since the human is an animal, and as such, it has the instinct to reproduce.
So if this views are correct, we are only toys in the hand of an sadistic deity, that enjoys watching our struggles. Christianity is a philosophy that proves to be flawed in its own line of reasoning.
Now, to MY views. I do not believe the CTB, per si, is morally wrong, and condemn your soul to eternal suffering. I calll bullshit on that. But I DO believe that YOUR personal morality may or may not condemn the act, and thus, based on YOUR personal beliefs, your own beliefs can make you suffer after dying, for this moral weight you inflicted on yourself. In another post, I used this logic to explain that:
And adressing now this part of your argumentation:
The line of argument that you are using to condemn the act, and to argue that the immortal soul will be condemned, is nothing more than a cultural vision, coming from the predominant religions, which places the human being in a position of servitude in relation to a controlling and oppressive deity. In other cultures (which today, in addition to having been lost, are seen with strangeness), one can find mentions of the act of dying as part of the cycle of life, something that was even adressed in the horror film Midsommar. Where upon completion of a life lived in favor of society (or tribe), the cycle ends with a jump off a cliff, preventing you from becoming a burden to the community and avoiding the slow wear and tear associated with advanced age. The ritual itself mentioned in the film is not historically recorded and is more of local folklore, but it's not as if the Norse recorded much in writing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ă„ttestupa and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senicide
In addition to the above mentions, there are also records in which a wife could throw herself on her husband's funeral pyre, killed in war, and such an act would be seen as a very great honor and even a very profound act of love for society. The opposite could also occur, in cases where the wife dies and the husband already has a grown lineage, and wants to follow his wife into the afterlife. That part specifically I can't provide links at the moment, sorry. EDIT: Found this that can complement a bit if someone would like to read more: https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/64245/1/Susanne-Nagel-MAS4091-Thesis.pdf
All this, really, just to complement what I mentioned above. The very view of "heaven" and "hell" is Christian, and not present in most other religions. We find parallels, yes, like the Greek Hades, or the Nordic Hel, but they are the world of the dead, and not a place of condemnation and damnation like the professed Christian religiosity. The very view of a single deity and monotheistic cosmology is the exception rather than the rule. The condemnation of suicide is a cultural act, and not necessarily a spiritual one. The compulsion for life, and the romanticization of suffering as something important for the wisdom of the soul (or to receive a "prize" after) are regrettable marks left by the dominant religions in the last centuries.
I first must state that I am spiritual but not religious. I view myself somewhat as a Gnostic person. For those interested: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism
All your arguments are NOT based in an unreligious view, or even are universal humankind views. You are adressing suicide as an "sinfull" action, which is a view mainly present in Christianism and other Abrahamic religions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions
In this religious views, the human is a flawed being, that must comply with repentance and must be humble before an omnipotent deity, kneeling in your insignificance, to receive forgiveness and be able to receive the gift of eternal live. Thus, suffering is an act of "god" allowing you to "pay for your sins". The problem with this argumentation is that, is "god" not perfect? If he is in fact omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, so that means all humans were made, in fact, unperfect. And doomed to suffer with the imperfections of the flesh, which requires inhuman will to surpass. Thus, we are doomed to fail. For example, carnal desires, that are basic nature of any living being, since the human is an animal, and as such, it has the instinct to reproduce.
So if this views are correct, we are only toys in the hand of an sadistic deity, that enjoys watching our struggles. Christianity is a philosophy that proves to be flawed in its own line of reasoning.
Now, to MY views. I do not believe the CTB, per si, is morally wrong, and condemn your soul to eternal suffering. I calll bullshit on that. But I DO believe that YOUR personal morality may or may not condemn the act, and thus, based on YOUR personal beliefs, your own beliefs can make you suffer after dying, for this moral weight you inflicted on yourself. In another post, I used this logic to explain that:
And adressing now this part of your argumentation:
This is NOT universal. In fact, throughout human history, we have been able to identify numerous mentions of the act of suicide as an honor, and even that it would lead to a "moral pardon". The most classic example of this would be the act of harakiri and seppuku. Speaking briefly on the subject:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku and https://www.britannica.com/topic/seppuku
The line of argument that you are using to condemn the act, and to argue that the immortal soul will be condemned, is nothing more than a cultural vision, coming from the predominant religions, which places the human being in a position of servitude in relation to a controlling and oppressive deity. In other cultures (which today, in addition to having been lost, are seen with strangeness), one can find mentions of the act of dying as part of the cycle of life, something that was even adressed in the horror film Midsommar. Where upon completion of a life lived in favor of society (or tribe), the cycle ends with a jump off a cliff, preventing you from becoming a burden to the community and avoiding the slow wear and tear associated with advanced age. The ritual itself mentioned in the film is not historically recorded and is more of local folklore, but it's not as if the Norse recorded much in writing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ă„ttestupa and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senicide
In addition to the above mentions, there are also records in which a wife could throw herself on her husband's funeral pyre, killed in war, and such an act would be seen as a very great honor and even a very profound act of love for society. The opposite could also occur, in cases where the wife dies and the husband already has a grown lineage, and wants to follow his wife into the afterlife. That part specifically I can't provide links at the moment, sorry. EDIT: Found this that can complement a bit if someone would like to read more: https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/64245/1/Susanne-Nagel-MAS4091-Thesis.pdf
All this, really, just to complement what I mentioned above. The very view of "heaven" and "hell" is Christian, and not present in most other religions. We find parallels, yes, like the Greek Hades, or the Nordic Hel, but they are the world of the dead, and not a place of condemnation and damnation like the professed Christian religiosity. The very view of a single deity and monotheistic cosmology is the exception rather than the rule. The condemnation of suicide is a cultural act, and not necessarily a spiritual one. The compulsion for life, and the romanticization of suffering as something important for the wisdom of the soul (or to receive a "prize" after) are regrettable marks left by the dominant religions in the last centuries.
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Abdullah
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