The world should have always been run by women.

[Whydaddy]

the end.


Cats.

 

[Pluto]

 

[somewhatdeadly]

i don't believe that.

 

[Whydaddy]

i don't believe that.

Care to explain why?

 

[EmptyBottle]

I would like world leadership to be roughly 50/50 split between males and females, and ofc, wise and fair leaders.

 

[Whydaddy]

I would like world leadership to be roughly 50/50 split between males and females, and ofc, wise and fair leaders.

That's fine but Thst wasn't really my point about the present situation- It's probably too late to do much repair or damage control. But I think if the world was governed by females from the start. But maybe this species is just hopeless.

 

[EmptyBottle]

That's fine but Thst wasn't really my point about the present situation- It's probably too late to do much repair or damage control. But I think if the world was governed by females from the start. But maybe this species is just hopeless.

ahh. Hopefully things improve in the world, and more female leaders arise.

 

[somewhatdeadly]

Care to explain why?

i don't think world needs any leaders

 

[Dejected 55]

Why do you think the world would be better if it had always been ran by women?

This discussion has been had before. You can poke around psychological and sociological research and there's nothing that indicates much would be different if the leadership roles were reversed across the board.

There IS, however, indications that mixed leadership provides value as one gender tends to moderate the other. This works both ways too.

But there is nothing to indicate that women get along more peacefully with other women on average than men do with other men. If you flipped the leadership across the board, women are still human too... and while things might manifest slightly differently, some different things might be prioritized... there is no reason to indicate the world would be better OR worse.

Back a woman into a corner and on average there's no reason to think she would fight any less than a man in that same situation. And if it was a woman fighting another woman, in the hypothetical scenario of women in all leadership roles, then the average physical advantage a man might have over a woman is gone, so no reason to believe women wouldn't fight it out the same as men would in that scenario.

And women generally outnumber men in the world most of the time, but its generally about 50/50... so if women truly thought men were fucking up the world and they could do so much better,

 

[Whydaddy]

Back a woman into a corner and on average there's no reason to think she would fight any less than a man in that same situation. And if it was a woman fighting another woman, in the hypothetical scenario of women in all leadership roles, then the average physical advantage a man might have over a woman is gone, so no reason to believe women wouldn't fight it out the same as men would in that scenario.

And women generally outnumber men in the world most of the time, but its generally about 50/50... so if women truly thought men were fucking up the world and they could do so much better,

Well, I'm not dismissing that women are not human, but rather that the outcome of a long matriarchal line could have resulted in radically different structural powers and socializations for humans across the board. I'm also not saying it's a guarantee that they also wouldn't have created violent institutions too but we can never really know can we?

 

[Dejected 55]

Well, I'm not dismissing that women are not human, but rather that the outcome of a long matriarchal line could have resulted in radically different structural powers and socializations for humans across the board. I'm also not saying it's a guarantee that they also wouldn't have created violent institutions too but we can never really know can we?

Exactly, we can't know. With men mostly in charge of the world, it's easy to say men are to blame, because they kind of have to be since they are mostly in charge. But, if it were all women in charge, then guess what happens... then women would be responsible for all the problems, because they would be in charge.

That's why the logic really fails. It's monday morning quarterbacking and backseat driving at its finest where we can look at the people in power and say "you suck" and "know" we would do better... and maybe we would at some things... but we might also be worse at other things if all the pressure was on us.

Do we need more women in positions of authority and power? Absolutely! More diversity is a good thing. It's just, if we swing the pendulum all the way the other direction to "fix" the problem, we just end up with a different problem.

 

[Whydaddy]

Exactly, we can't know. With men mostly in charge of the world, it's easy to say men are to blame, because they kind of have to be since they are mostly in charge. But, if it were all women in charge, then guess what happens... then women would be responsible for all the problems, because they would be in charge.

That's why the logic really fails. It's monday morning quarterbacking and backseat driving at its finest where we can look at the people in power and say "you suck" and "know" we would do better... and maybe we would at some things... but we might also be worse at other things if all the pressure was on us.

Do we need more women in positions of authority and power? Absolutely! More diversity is a good thing. It's just, if we swing the pendulum all the way the other direction to "fix" the problem, we just end up with a different problem.

well yeah I mean I'm not discounting that but it's a catch 22. When men push back and say, 'Well, women in power wouldn't have been any better,' they miss the point. It isn't about claiming that women are saints and men are devils. It's about imagination. As humans, we are capable of imagining whole worlds utopias, new orders, better futures and yet have never managed to create them. That leaves us with not so many possibilities: maybe we are an inherently destructive species, doomed to build systems of domination no matter who leads? or maybe we never actually gave alternative systems a real chance to take root? I guess both answers are damning, but for different reasons. And that's the tragedy: not that women might have ruled worse, but that humanity has so far failed to rule better, thus allowing us to continue to speculate. I still believe a matriarchy could do better but I won't be around to witness it.

 

[EmptyBottle]

well yeah I mean I'm not discounting that but it's a catch 22. When men push back and say, 'Well, women in power wouldn't have been any better,' they miss the point. It isn't about claiming that women are saints and men are devils. It's about imagination. As humans, we are capable of imagining whole worlds utopias, new orders, better futures and yet have never managed to create them. That leaves us with not so many possibilities: maybe we are an inherently destructive species, doomed to build systems of domination no matter who leads? or maybe we never actually gave alternative systems a real chance to take root? I guess both answers are damning, but for different reasons. And that's the tragedy: not that women might have ruled worse, but that humanity has so far failed to rule better, thus allowing us to continue to speculate. I still believe a matriarchy could do better but I won't be around to witness it.

I mean... I have a feeling u may be right... a matriarchy might be better than a patriarchy... since womens issues will be considered more. Hopefully mens issues aren't too dissimilar so that they get at least some consideration tho.

 

[Dejected 55]

well yeah I mean I'm not discounting that but it's a catch 22. When men push back and say, 'Well, women in power wouldn't have been any better,' they miss the point. It isn't about claiming that women are saints and men are devils. It's about imagination. As humans, we are capable of imagining whole worlds utopias, new orders, better futures and yet have never managed to create them. That leaves us with not so many possibilities: maybe we are an inherently destructive species, doomed to build systems of domination no matter who leads? or maybe we never actually gave alternative systems a real chance to take root? I guess both answers are damning, but for different reasons. And that's the tragedy: not that women might have ruled worse, but that humanity has so far failed to rule better, thus allowing us to continue to speculate. I still believe a matriarchy could do better but I won't be around to witness it.

It's fair to be disappointed in leadership right now... It's fair to think someone else could do better. I mean, we *should* be capable of a LOT better.

We need diversity of ideas. Too many voices in the room can be crippling... but we need diversity all the same.

I just think blaming all men and wishing for a world for all women in charge misses the larger point... you know the thing. about power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The problem is more likely that humans like to divide themselves according to differences... and support people they see as like them more and criticize others perceived as different. So, women see a world with mostly men in charge and think they could do better. Some women absolutely would! But all woman? Then we'd see flawed women in power just as today we have a lot of flawed men in power. Unfortunately, the best among us really aren't drawn to positions of power, whether we are talking about men or women. Power kind of attracts the worst qualities in people, it seems... and there's no reason to believe that a world of female-majority leadership would be any different.

Why can't we strive for a world where the BEST people are in decision-making positions? Regardless of male, female, race, religion... get better people in positions of power and the world would be capable of almost overnight improvement. But making the mistake of saying all men are horrible leaders because of the state of things and wholesale wishing to replace them with all women who may or may not be any better... that's where we fail as a species.

We just tend to stick with our tribe and criticize the other tribes and everything remains kind of the same.

I mean... I have a feeling u may be right... a matriarchy might be better than a patriarchy... since womens issues will be considered more. Hopefully mens issues aren't too dissimilar so that they get at least some consideration tho.

There's no reason to believe it would... I mean, humans being human and somewhat myopic and self-centered... it would make sense if a world led by women tended to consider women's issues first and more. It wouldn't be fair, just like it isn't fair now... but that appears to be how humanity is wired.

What do we tend to see in today's world whenever power changes? Not just men to women (or vice-versa) but a regime from one party changing over to a regime of the other... the new people in power tend to dismiss policies of the previous regime and institute policies that are what their people want. Nobody gets into power and tries to make the world better for everyone... they always focus on "their people" first, sometimes their people only.

History tells us too that when a dictator is overthrown by the people... someone new takes power... and they will oppress remaining people who supported the previous dictator... then eventually they become a new kind of dictator themselves, who in turn has to be overthrown.

In modern day we have elections without revolts... usually... but the new administration tries to erase previous administration policy while instituting their own. Men and women are both guilty of this in the modern age.

I think we can only say with some small amount of confidence that a matriarchy would look different than the patriarchy. There has been no evidence to support it would be better. Heck, it might not even necessarily be better for women. A lot of men are in poverty in the patriarchy, right? There's no reason to believe a lot of women would suffer in a matriarchy as well. We are a flawed species.

 

[telekon]

That's fine but Thst wasn't really my point about the present situation- It's probably too late to do much repair or damage control. But I think if the world was governed by females from the start. But maybe this species is just hopeless.

it might have been! history stops being recorded only a few thousand years ago but the human race could be tens of thousands of years old for all we know. maybe for the first half of humanity's life cycle women birthed society, and then for the second half men get to see it die :)