the world is getting more right wing.

[Chinaski]

The Labour Party is centre-left and social democratic. That's ok. Not everything needs to be far-left and revolutionary.

In its current form it is neither, hth.

 

[Pessimist]

In its current form it is neither, hth.

When does a party become left-leaning? Only when its policies cause 50 million people to starve to death?

 

[Seered Doom]

As someone in the US, I genuinely fear of the possibility of a fascistic overtaking of the government this upcoming election. I don't want that to happen. I'm in a red state (that means most of the people in my state are conservative) as a leftist and a disabled trans person. They have my name in a database for being autistic, I bet you anything. My deepest fears are getting realized and my paranoia leads me to believe a dystopian apocalyptic thought of neo-nazis in my state pulling up to my door and trying to gun me down. This is one of many reasons I want to CTB. The fact that this is increasingly becoming more of a probable reality makes me shudder with fright and want to scream.

 

[Chinaski]

When does a party become left-leaning? Only when its policies cause 50 million people to starve to death?

No, usually they just have to offer policies that aren't right wing

 

[Pessimist]

No, usually they just have to offer policies that aren't right wing

When did social democracy become "right-wing"?

 

[Placo]

Interesting what is happening in France.

 

[Chinaski]

When does a party become left-leaning? Only when its policies cause 50 million people to starve to death?

When did social democracy become "right-wing"?

They are not offering social democracy that's the point are we going to go around in circles all night on this ffs, Labour are offering the same policies as the Conservative Party traditonally have, unless you can give a single example of anything on offer which resembles social democracy please desist

 

[Pessimist]

They are not offering social democracy that's the point are we going to go around in circles all night on this ffs, Labour are offering the same policies as the Conservative Party traditonally have, unless you can give a single example of anything on offer which resembles social democracy please desist

 

[Chinaski]

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Wow, if he actually used the word in one speech l guess it must be true, l mean it's not like there are any other examples in history of really right wing people coming to power under the banner of socialism is it

 

[lacrimosa]

@Pessimist

I've lived in China for two years. In the heart of Beijing and I travelled all over the country itself.

They are a two-system system. Not completely communist as the government allows for semi-free enterprise and allows for companies to run unchecked as far as paying employees different salaries is concerned. Companies are also being run in a semi-democratic way regarding their structure, board of trustees, etc. Companies can hire and fire people whom they see fit or unfit for their role. The CCP even allows for companies to grow and evolve in a capitalist way.

This is to basically bolster their economy.

If China was 100% communist, there would be no billionaires there or different classes. Everyone would be reliant on the government and paid the same wage. Now, sprinkles of what would be 'useless' jobs exist but at least people feel proud and are contributing to society. One example of one of these useless jobs would be the people on buses whom announce the bus stop names. They are also watching you, ensuring you are polite and obey the rules.

Now, I am not a political science major or anything of the sort but I have lived there... and so this is coming from my experience. I am also aware that this is a redundant and not fully fledged definition of communism, but this idea of total communism is what China was like years ago and when I was there, it was totally evolved as far as economic opportunity is concerned...

I am fully aware that it's a stretch to call it a two-party system but from what I experienced, there was very little poverty and lots of people working. I travelled on a non-sleeper train for 16 hours amongst average Chinese people and had many other traveling adventures. They were all travelling during the holiday to visit their families and they seemed in high spirits and were all smiling, laughing, eating sunflower seeds, chicken feet, and smoking cigarettes.

Back in the day, during the cultural revolution or great leap forward, Chairman Mao killed all the historians and old school intelligentsia, and many, many, many, people whom were deemed unfit to live in the new industrialized China. Breadlines and the like were common and after this it was very unpleasant for a time for many people as they all were basically paid the same wage.

But today, it's vastly different.

Basically, the way it works is don't question the government and run your business as long as it follows general government rules and regulations and all will be smooth sailing. You can actually make quite a large salary in China vs. other non-semi-communist countries.

 

[illvoid]

I'm in the US, "Land of the Free", and fearing that my rights will be stripped away from me in November. This shit sucks.

 

[DarkRange55]

For all the China people

I've had three passports including US. I have lived in Macau , Chengdu, Hong Kong, and the communist nation of Vietnam .
When you actually visit the westernized capitalist countries like Singapore and Japan and South Korea and Taiwan it's an incredible contrast to the authoritarian regimes.

China calls themselves communist, I don't believe they are. Its not a dictatorship but maybe its trending towards that. But its a one-party state that is very authoritarian and has massive influence in the economy. They have a stock market so I'd say they're not communist. And lots of money to move economy in certain directions like climate and EVs...and yes, they do not like dissent. LOTS written about China and its future.

 

[innominesatanas44]

For all the China people

I've had three passports including US. I have lived in Macau , Chengdu, Hong Kong, and the communist nation of Vietnam .
When you actually visit the westernized capitalist countries like Singapore and Japan and South Korea and Taiwan it's an incredible contrast to the authoritarian regimes.

What is Vietnam like regarding politics/life? I've heard mostly positive things

 

[Chinaski]

What is happening now is hard right Tories are switching from Tory to Reform. This does not detract from the fact that Corbyn won 40% of the vote in 2017 and lost, Starmer will win with much less, abd a significantly lower turnout.

Always listen to ur uncle "chinaski" imo