The widespread data on suicide statistics are useless.

[DoomCry]

I'm addressing anyone who has ever done serious research on this topic, whether for personal, academic, or clinical reasons: have you ever noticed the enormous informational void surrounding the actual outcomes of suicides and suicide attempts? I'm talking about real data, not those generic and useless statistics like "90% of people who shoot themselves in the head die," which explain nothing. No one publishes detailed information about what really happens in hanging cases: what material was used? A rope, a bedsheet, a shoelace, a cable? Was it polyester, cotton, nylon? Was it a full suspension or partial hanging? How long did it take before loss of consciousness? Did the person die from cervical fracture or from asphyxiation? And what about those who survived? What injuries did they suffer? Paralysis, vegetative state, cognitive damage, or none? How many days were spent in the hospital? Why aren't these data collected and made public, transparent, accessible? And in cases involving firearms: where exactly did the person shoot themselves? Temple, mouth, under the chin, forehead? What caliber was used? A .22, a .38, a .357 Magnum, a .45 ACP? What kind of bullet? Full metal jacket, hollow point, soft point? Did death occur from cerebral destruction, blood loss, systemic collapse? For those who survived, what kind of damage did they sustain? What functions were lost, which ones preserved? Why doesn't any database provide precise reports on survival cases, neurological outcomes, bullet trajectory, areas impacted, quality and timing of emergency response? What's the point of continuing to publish vague and confusing statistics that say everything and nothing at the same time? Why is there such opacity? It's not about privacy, since no one's asking for names or personal details: it's deliberate confusion.

 

[Linda]

It's not just deaths by suicide that have poor data, it's all deaths. My brother, who is a doctor and has done research in public health, tells me that even ordinary death certificates are almost useless as a data source. For example, my father's death certificate listed "carcinoma" as the cause of death, nothing more. That was true, but it's so imprecise that it would be useless for serious research.
It's not a conspiracy against suicidal people, it's just general laziness on the part of the medical profession and others.

 

[Jade10666]

Laziness. And a general disinterest in giving it any priority that makes a difference

 

[JesiBel]

It's true, they generally full investigate and provide more information when the person was famous. Although some autopsy studies are available online. They are quite scarce or not accessible to ordinary people.

In any case, I suppose there must be detailed records of all the people who have committed suicide. Because this type of incident is investigated by the police and authorities (as they do with crimes and homicides, suspicious deaths)

 

[nooseknot]

I'm addressing anyone who has ever done serious research on this topic, whether for personal, academic, or clinical reasons: have you ever noticed the enormous informational void surrounding the actual outcomes of suicides and suicide attempts? I'm talking about real data, not those generic and useless statistics like "90% of people who shoot themselves in the head die," which explain nothing. No one publishes detailed information about what really happens in hanging cases: what material was used? A rope, a bedsheet, a shoelace, a cable? Was it polyester, cotton, nylon? Was it a full suspension or partial hanging? How long did it take before loss of consciousness? Did the person die from cervical fracture or from asphyxiation? And what about those who survived? What injuries did they suffer? Paralysis, vegetative state, cognitive damage, or none? How many days were spent in the hospital? Why aren't these data collected and made public, transparent, accessible? And in cases involving firearms: where exactly did the person shoot themselves? Temple, mouth, under the chin, forehead? What caliber was used? A .22, a .38, a .357 Magnum, a .45 ACP? What kind of bullet? Full metal jacket, hollow point, soft point? Did death occur from cerebral destruction, blood loss, systemic collapse? For those who survived, what kind of damage did they sustain? What functions were lost, which ones preserved? Why doesn't any database provide precise reports on survival cases, neurological outcomes, bullet trajectory, areas impacted, quality and timing of emergency response? What's the point of continuing to publish vague and confusing statistics that say everything and nothing at the same time? Why is there such opacity? It's not about privacy, since no one's asking for names or personal details: it's deliberate confusion.

"Suicide and Attempted Suicide",a book authored by Geo Stone,that happens to be my personal "suicide bible" actually contains an enormous volume of scientific information

 

[Jade10666]

In any case, I suppose there must be detailed records of all the people who have committed suicide. Because this type of incident is investigated by the police and authorities (as they do with crimes and homicides, suspicious deaths)

I bet once someone is assumed to be dead by suicide that is as far as it goes

Not all crimes or incidents are investigated Even with murder where only 60 percent are solved. And violent crime maybe less than 40 percent are solved

So it's unlikely your suicide will be investigated beyond consistency with the method. Ie if you are found hanging but there are bullet holes. Otherswise They just turn your death into a statistics

 

[JesiBel]

I bet once someone is assumed to be dead by suicide that is as far as it goes

Not all crimes or incidents are investigated Even with murder where only 60 percent are solved. And violent crime maybe less than 40 percent are solved

So it's unlikely your suicide will be investigated beyond consistency with the method. Ie if you are found hanging but there are bullet holes. Otherswise They just turn your death into a statistics

I don't know what country you're from, but here every death is investigated. Even if a family member dies in the home, you have to call the police and they'll prepare a report (like my uncle who died in his sleep)

At least here the media always reports on crimes and murders and the news of investigations on TV, although the culprits are rarely caught. It's the news most followed by people, I don't know if it's out of morbid curiosity or something.

And regarding suicides, like any suspicious death, the investigative police always go to the scene to take photos and that sort of thing. I suppose they'll do something with that information.

I say this because years ago, a young man committed suicide two blocks from my house, and the forensic police and the PDI were present. I don't know what it's like in the rest of the world.

 

[Jade10666]

I don't know what country you're from, but here every death is investigated. Even if a family member dies in the home, you have to call the police and they'll prepare a report (like my uncle who died in his sleep)

At least here the media always reports on crimes and murders and the news of investigations on TV, although the culprits are rarely caught. It's the news most followed by people, I don't know if it's out of morbid curiosity or something.

And regarding suicides, like any suspicious death, the investigative police always go to the scene to take photos and that sort of thing. I suppose they'll do something with that information.

I say this because years ago, a young man committed suicide two blocks from my house, and the forensic police and the PDI were present. I don't know what it's like in the rest of the world.

Hi JesiBel
I am going to disagree with you on this gently. Those types of stats come from Canada and the United States.

In every case, I agree, someone will show up, usually the police, take notes, ask questions and file a report. But that is NOT the same thing as an investigation.

In my earlier days, I worked as a police reporter for a news agency, and time and time again, the police would complain about not having the resources to properly investigate. They had to pick and choose. Even if there were "reports" they could wade through, they had to select the easiest cases to solve. That means a lot of cases had paperwork but no real investigation.

So what often happens is the white woman from the upper classes would draw their attention, and the Native woman who worked in the sex trade would be ignored. It wasn't necessarily a conscious decision, but it's much easier to investigate when you have access to family members compared to a victim who had many interactions with strangers.

Don't get me wrong, my experience with the police is that they are often dedicated to solving the case, but under-resourced.

 

[JesiBel]

Hi JesiBel
I am going to disagree with you on this gently. Those types of stats come from Canada and the United States.

In every case, I agree, someone will show up, usually the police, take notes, ask questions and file a report. But that is NOT the same thing as an investigation.

In my earlier days, I worked as a police reporter for a news agency, and time and time again, the police would complain about not having the resources to properly investigate. They had to pick and choose. Even if there were "reports" they could wade through, they had to select the easiest cases to solve. That means a lot of cases had paperwork but no real investigation.

So what often happens is the white woman from the upper classes would draw their attention, and the Native woman who worked in the sex trade would be ignored. It wasn't necessarily a conscious decision, but it's much easier to investigate when you have access to family members compared to a victim who had many interactions with strangers.

Don't get me wrong, my experience with the police is that they are often dedicated to solving the case, but under-resourced.

What a shame, it makes sense, that so many horrible cases end up archived and without culprits or justice.

Maybe the investigation is just about filling out some paperwork and nothing more. In case of suicide, it reassures me to know, since my family won't be harassed or persecuted.

I don't know how long they'll keep all those kinds of documents. The truth is, suicide deaths are always more irrelevant.

It could even be due to a lack of resources. Someone who decides to kill themselves, or someone who died because their life was taken away... their choice of priority is understandable (I think).

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Returning to what the OP was saying..

And regarding access to this type of detailed information about suicides deaths, methods, and procedures, I don't think it will ever be publicly available. It would be like 'giving advice' to everyone who reads them.

 

[Ligottian]

I once may years ago that about 10,000 US suicides are not officially recorded as such.