The truth about Philip Nitschke

[callme]

Monopolies are bad. But one is better than none. :(

Well put. We are either a board game or just play money to those people. But instead of a polite old man with a cylinder hat, cane and a well-groomed moustache, we get a grumpy balding australian snail.

 

[FromGermany]

On photos published, Nitschke rather looks like a former NYC Mob Boss than a guy, who is seriously interested in the good for the people.



Money is the only thing that counts,

 

[Dystopia]

We should just refer to him as Philip Nit$chke from now

 

[PassingThrough]

I won't mention names or links, but one source for drugs that he mentions in his book (August edition) is almost definitely a scam website.

 

[callme]

On photos published, Nitschke rather looks like a former NYC Mob Boss than a guy, who is seriously interested in the good for the people.

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Money is the only thing that counts,

He's a bad Don, although not the only one.

 

[FromGermany]

It's in the nature of an euthanasia group to live with critics and this should be handled professional. One has to respect also the feelings of relatives. This would give such a group much more credibility than acting like a harrassing sect.

Here an example of how to do it the wrong way. A serious Swiss euthanasia organisation would never yell at relatives or waving paper directly into ones face as if they all have lost their marbles.

A serious euthanasia group in Europe would stay calm and let the person say, what she has to say, perhaps discuss with her on eye level or would just ignore her.

Here you can see the Nitschke sect way. Nitschke not even is standing up from the chair like everyone with decency would do, if there is a women in front of you, regardless if it's a good or bad situation. This arrogance is only a disservice. Without credibility no progress to make CTB in the eyes of outstanding people more "friendly".

 

[Smart No More]

Mob mentality permeates all walks of life. PN should have stood up and stopped those people crowding around her like that. He could have asked them to take their seats and taken the woman somewhere private and spoken with her tactfully. If she needed an apology it wouldn't hurt to give it her in private with a explanation as a caveat. She could have gone home, hopefully a little happier and he would go on as is. That's my take anyway. All this jumping down each others throats gets nobody anywhere. I really don't like this facet of human nature.

 

[NormaJeane]

Yes, one should not trust anyone who writes about suicide methods in books because the author could not have tested the methods on himself and Philip Nitschkes The Peaceful Pill Handbook is expensive, there are better and cheaper books about suicide. The R2D Rebreather II seems to be a scam, like the first Rebreather, too good to be true. I wonder how much money the seller and the inventor have earned on the device. People do anything to earn money, but do not we all?

 

[callme]

Yes, one should not trust anyone who writes about suicide methods in books because the author could not have tested the methods on himself and Philip Nitschkes The Peaceful Pill Handbook is expensive, there are better and cheaper books about suicide. The R2D Rebreather II seems to be a scam, like the first Rebreather, too good to be true. I wonder how much money the seller and the inventor have earned on the device. People do anything to earn money, but do not we all?

I can't agree Marilyn. It is understandable at first sight an author of such nature will probably never do it so to help more people himself. The PPH is all over for free - pdfdrive, zlibrary, libgen, archive.org you name it. There certainly aren't better books. The ones at least I hold in high regard, Pieter Admiraal and Geo Stone's, are respectively intended for euthanasia clinic staff and the latter is outdated. Derek Humphry and all others are essentially a mix of both. Plus, no other book provides sources or even updates.

I can't agree with this defense. It's literally anybody else in any other occupation that can afford to sell out - most notoriously the broke artist. But definitely not a suicide advocate or euthanasia doctor because of the nature of their trade. But wait for it - Sarco is coming.

They can take Nitschke away and bring me Dr. Jack Kevorkian any time.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I have my own issues with the organization that distributes the PPH. First of all, they claim to fight for the right to die of all autonomous, consenting adults but the fact that they don't give the book to people under a certain age clearly disproves that. This is discriminatory, people have a right to leave. I understand that they want to make sure people purchasing the books are actually adults but the +50 years age requirement is outrageous. That's my first concern, the lack of prinicples. Another problem of mine is that they're really obsessed with protecting their monetary income. I don't like that they have built a business model around the right to die. If you look at their news page, you can actually see that they offered a limited discount for their books? Who does that? This isn't fucking christmas chocolate, there shouldn't be any discount at all. Just make the book permanently cheaper and accessable for those that have a low income. I don't understand it.

Also why are they even selling an outdated book in the first place? The 2016 edition is 5 years old. The 2019 edition is 2 years old. They're literally trying to squeeze out as much money as possible of books that contain outdated and probably misleading information at that point. What the fuck. I didn't even mention yet that they barely put any effort into new updates anymore. They literally put a scammer with no verified sales into the November edition... what?

It's in the nature of an euthanasia group to live with critics and this should be handled professional. One has to respect also the feelings of relatives. This would give such a group much more credibility than acting like a harrassing sect.

Here an example of how to do it the wrong way. A serious Swiss euthanasia organisation would never yell at relatives or waving paper directly into ones face as if they all have lost their marbles.

A serious euthanasia group in Europe would stay calm and let the person say, what she has to say, perhaps discuss with her on eye level or would just ignore her.

Here you can see the Nitschke sect way. Nitschke not even is standing up from the chair like everyone with decency would do, if there is a women in front of you, regardless if it's a good or bad situation. This arrogance is only a disservice. Without credibility no progress to make CTB in the eyes of outstanding people more "friendly".

This gives me so many Karen vibes, that's exactly the type of person that runs organizations like FT26. Her father was 62 years old and had every right to make this decision for himself. She had no business going to that workshop, yell at Nietzscke, demand him to apologize and treat her own father like a child during that confrontation. I don't understand it. Instead of fighting against Exit International, she should advocate for assisted suicide so eldery people don't have to keep their suicide ideation a secret from their own family and leave alone and in silence... that's tragic. Old people in Switzerland can leave while being surounded by loved ones, family members and friends - people deserve to leave in a loving enviroment. That's what this woman wanted for her own father, right? That's the benefit of assisted suicide. That's the solution to the issue presented in this coverage, not attacking those that recognise the right to die. It's the job of the goverment to protect it's citizens, that includes presenting a better option than jumping from a bridge. And it means it should make a peaceful way out avaiable for those that need it.

 

[Shu]

Fully agree with the OP re Nitschke. I remember a couple of years ago he did a roadshow, sixty quid a pop, with a Korean spy who reckoned you could ctb by applying pressure to a particular point with your fingers. The Black Widow method, or some shit. Naturally, this wasn't demonstrated, as a method it's too ridiculous even for this forum to take seriously. Then there's his ever-shifting anti-emetics regimen, the occasional propelling of scammers in the ppeh, his request for video evidence of sn ingestion etc etc. Just not a nice man, a slimy, mercenary dickhead whose only real use is to serve as a middleman to an international drugs trafficker.

Real talk.

I've always avoided SN as a method because it was essentially introduced by PN to the PPH to boost sales, with much reassuring froth regarding its peacefulness but very little research. My gut instinct says they could definitely be wrong about the whole damn thing tbqh - this is a man who still insists his Sarco machine is on the horizon, l do not trust him at all.

Damn it. This is also true.. makes me not want to take SN now. Especially when you explain it like this

 

[Chinaski]

Real talk.

Damn it. This is also true.. makes me not want to take SN now. Especially when you explain it like this

Bear in mind I'm an SN sceptic and this is just my view, having been around when it was first introduced as "the poor man's N, available in supermarkets" as a means of pushing his book despite it not bring thoroughly researched and people were not getting quite the peaceful death he advertised, leading him to row back on it a bit as a work in progress, all livestreamed death throes gratefully received etc etc. I expect it's been tightened up significantly since and while my initial caution remains, it does work in as much as it causes death.

 

[MsMaudlin]

I bought a physical copy of the PPH when it was on a Black Friday sale, I thought that was weird. I mean it's not exactly a 'normal' book.
I was early 40's, and had to send a copy of photo ID.

❤

 

[lostmylove]

I like Dr Nitschke. He put his head over the parapet. He for a long time was a lone voice for people who where suffering in pain.

In an ideal world his work would be free, but you've got to remember he's had a hit to his reputation and medical license suspended multiple times. People have to at least obtain a wage it's the reality of life.

He's not extremely profiting it's not like he's raking in millions, and even if he was I think the work he does is justified.

Nobody is going to be perfect but he is standing up for what he thinks is right.

If you start off at your position saying you want all people over 18 to die if they choose you are going to be laughed at the room, the over 50 is a good starting point.

 

[CemetryGates]

Fully agree with the OP re Nitschke. I remember a couple of years ago he did a roadshow, sixty quid a pop, with a Korean spy who reckoned you could ctb by applying pressure to a particular point with your fingers. The Black Widow method, or some shit. Naturally, this wasn't demonstrated, as a method it's too ridiculous even for this forum to take seriously. Then there's his ever-shifting anti-emetics regimen, the occasional propelling of scammers in the ppeh, his request for video evidence of sn ingestion etc etc. Just not a nice man, a slimy, mercenary dickhead whose only real use is to serve as a middleman to an international drugs trafficker.

Jesus, he sounds like a cult leader

 

[archipelago]

I don't really see this as black and white tbh. Me and many other people here wouldn't have been able to access a method for peacefully ctb without his work. But there are definitely some things I take with a grain of salt (no pun intended).

I agree with the criticisms I've read on this thread, they are valid. I also noticed a discrepancy in the N protocol about potentiating with phenytoin - according to articles I found on Pubmed, it's the IV combination of phenytoin and N that causes cardiac arrest. Oral phenytoin is apparently far less likely to have an effect on the heart when N is taken orally.

I wish there were sources from scientific journal articles for things like this in PPH. It's easy to take his word because he's a doctor, but it is important to have evidence for the information he presents.

 

[befree]

I don't really see this as black and white tbh. Me and many other people here wouldn't have been able to access a method for peacefully ctb without his work. But there are definitely some things I take with a grain of salt (no pun intended).

I agree with the criticisms I've read on this thread, they are valid. I also noticed a discrepancy in the N protocol about potentiating with phenytoin - according to articles I found on Pubmed, it's the IV combination of phenytoin and N that causes cardiac arrest. Oral phenytoin is apparently far less likely to have an effect on the heart when N is taken orally.

I wish there were sources from scientific journal articles for things like this in PPH. It's easy to take his word because he's a doctor, but it is important to have evidence for the information he presents.

"but it is important to have evidence for the information he presents"....Right. But there is no evidence in this book. I have other books and guides that I like better.

 

[Alex6216]

I'm glad I am not the only one here who doesn't think too highly of Nitschke; The main purpose behind PPeH and other 'suicide books' for me was to find out what stuff can actually kill someone and it does that, for example I know now that 12g of chloroquine can kill someone, but PPeH and the others have a whole range of problems behind them.
To start off, too much of these suicide guides go too in-depth on unnecessary information like the ethics of suicide or how these certain stuff kill you and what not. Literally no one gives a crap about this type of stuff, 99% of the guide's audiences want to know how to off yourself without feeling too much pain that's it, like 30-40% of the entire guide is nothing but philosophical or reddit-sciency crap when they should just use that space to add more guides; GHB is a good way to CTB but unless you looked SUPER hard you wouldn't know the ld50 of GHB nor would you know that you need to take xanax beforehand and even now I dont know the dosage of xanax to take or when to take it, they could've added a guide on using GHB/1,4 BDO (same thing really) instead of talking about the history of the word suicide or the super scientific explanation on how N kills you.
Another problem is too much of the information provided is outdated, this isn't an issue with PPeH but also Final exit and other guides. An example is the darvon chapter not being updated since the 2010's, evident by the fact that it says it's starting to become restricted/illegal/not so easy to get when in reality darvon is already fully restricted/illegal/not so easy to get in every first world country, and the SN chapter still having the same information as the 2019 edition, it doesnt even mention how SN has became super hard to get in the UK for exmple it still talks about SN "slowly" becoming harder to get which is also said in 2019.
In addition - these guides don't fully explain how these things kill, sure it gives you an explanation on how XYZ attaches to GABA receptors to do stuff but 95% of the readers dont even understand what that even means, just say "Oh this drug kills you via stopping oxygen to your heart, it supposedly feels like you're about to sneeze but cant..." so we can understand what these stuff do and make the decision for ourselves.
Furthermore, people already said this but Nitschke speaks very highly of himself and acts sort of like a 8 year old with a God complex. An example of this is when in the N chapter he talks about the time he went to some dying old guy's house to talk about euthanasia options and he talks about N for some time to which the old dying guy asks where he could get it to which Nitschke replies it's illegal and discusses other methods, if you know it's super illegal to get why would you even mention it in the first place?? especially to someone who probably doesnt have the knowledge to access online dark markets?
That isnt it, he the goes on to explain how this old guy's wife randomly told him about once having an affair with a vet (Wtf?) and how she could be able to get N from him and then she somehow did and the old guy never took the N and died via natural causes (So what was the point of getting it?). This story he told was not only extremely unnecessary (Why even mention the wife cheating on their spouse and why did you even keep this in all the yearly publications of PPeH?) but i'm 99% certain he made it up, first of all just because you sleep with someone doesnt mean you'll risk jail when they come 5+ years later asking for illegal substances, secondly the old guy and his wife were in the age of retirement so how would this vet she had an affair with even be working as a vet and even have access to vet barbiturates?
Another example is the Sarco pod. First of all it provides such an easy means for pro-lifers to trash you and the assisted-suicide movement as a whole since it's such an egotistical, unnerving way to die and it even reminds me of the WEC "You'll own nothing and be happy" meme floating around back in 2021 which isnt a good thing. He claims you can 3d print it which to him somehow makes it easily buildable and not require too much resources, first of all the Sarco pod kills via liquid nitrogen so the pod still requires the production of nitrogen and also tubing to pump the nitrogen into the pod. I fail to see how this pod idea of his is better than (at the very least) simply allowing Pentobarbital to be prescribed to people with certain conditions whether it's a terminal illness and/or mental illness or whatever so they can take it in the comforts of their own home.

I don't have a problem with him stating on their website that the PPeH is only for people above 50, he might think that suicide that should be considered when you're in extreme physical pain and/or already going to die regardless instead of just when you want to (I might disagree with this but it's his opinion). Also he might not want to get into legal trouble for the death of a kid since there's a lot of stupid parents out there.

edit: Also forgot to mention the stupid stuff mentioned like the korean spy suicide method, it is so stupid I am surprised it's coming out a pro-assisted suicide's guide instead of the mouth of a stupid pro-lifer talking about how 'easy' suicide is.
edit 2: Also forgot Nitschke is a doctor so he should've know how stupid the korean spy method is, I am very stupid, very apparent from how I written this entire message, and even I know using your fingers compress your carotid arteries will, at best, only make you black out and make you just wake up with a headache.
edit 3: I also will give credit where credit's due, I support the exit international scam exposing website. He should at-least put the link to the scam-exposing website on the PPeH since a lot of people are worried on whether or not a specific vendor they're planning on buying from is a scamming them or nnott

 

[Efilismislife]

BUT we all use PPH here as a guideline?

this makes me confused. So many contradiction.

anyway about the night2 or korea method there has been many proof of people &kids die fromevrn accidentally thats why the bloody choke technique in martial art comes with a warning. But the issue is . Its not easy to do especially alone and has the chance of failure even other method too.
Torniquet method also similar.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Fully agree with the OP re Nitschke. I remember a couple of years ago he did a roadshow, sixty quid a pop, with a Korean spy who reckoned you could ctb by applying pressure to a particular point with your fingers. The Black Widow method, or some shit. Naturally, this wasn't demonstrated, as a method it's too ridiculous even for this forum to take seriously. Then there's his ever-shifting anti-emetics regimen, the occasional propelling of scammers in the ppeh, his request for video evidence of sn ingestion etc etc. Just not a nice man, a slimy, mercenary dickhead whose only real use is to serve as a middleman to an international drugs trafficker.

Wow- like the Vulcan neck pinch on Star Trek?... If only...

 

[Efilismislife]

No, totally different.

its the BLOOD CHOKE technique that use in martial art and police officer to make your opponent faint.

how it killed George Floyd.

But theres a warning that you shouldnt restrain more than 10 sec otherwise theyll die, like those accidents.

Wow- like the Vulcan neck pinch on Star Trek?... If only...

 

[Istanbulite]

he's a snide for sure

 

[Forever Sleep]

No, totally different.

its the BLOOD CHOKE technique that use in martial art and police officer to make your opponent faint.

how it killed George Floyd.

But theres a warning that you shouldnt restrain more than 10 sec otherwise theyll die, like those accidents.
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Is it possible to do that to yourself though? Imagine it would take a ligature... and a whole lot of will power.

 

[Efilismislife]

Is it possible to do that to yourself though? Imagine it would take a ligature... and a whole lot of will power.

With the right tool&technique. Its similar to torniquet method. But it focus more on blocking the carotid arteries.

But unfortunately, theres no easy successful painless suicide method. And theres still cases and chance of failure/things go wrong. Thats why im stressful finding a way.

Spoiler: tourniquet method

Spoiler: tourniquet method

 

[MementoMori81]

Wow I did not know the entire backstory of Exit. It is worse than I thought. I guess that is what happens when there is only one source for information.



I think there will always be market for life ending drugs. If you live in places like Mexico or Peru it is easy to obtain and all you have to do is ship it out. It is good money for not a lot of work. Especially in those parts of the world where the cost of living is low. I am guessing most people don't even know this is an option. You don't even need to do dangerous or super risky stuff like with traditional drug trafficking. But you are right it pales in comparison to the narcotic drug market.

There is a market, but as markets go it's a pretty rubbish one, just based on the lack of return custom alone.
Compare that to a cocaine or heroin dealer, whose customers will come back over and over and over. Someone buys a bottle of N, and that's it, no more customer. Of course, the work-around for that is the high prices on products that wouldn't cost a fraction, if we were able to purchase them over the counter that is.

That being said, one would have to also factor in that there are bound to be people who source a bottle - or two - of N, then bottle it (excuse the pun) and tip it away, only to go get more at a later date. I'm not sure how often that does happen. I reckon the N being sold by a certain known supplier currently is done so in addition to other products, although I couldn't confirm that or suggest what other products they may be.

As for Nitschke? I definitely believe it's a good idea to do your own research into the methods he recommends in the book. It's the sane and rational thing to do, if for nothing else than one would not want a failed attempt. This could cause two issues;

1) People who care about you would then naturally want to really keep a close eye on you
And potentially,
2) You could end up severely injured, giving you even less of a quality of life than you started with.

As always, I hope everyone is well.

 

[Forever Sleep]

With the right tool&technique. Its similar to torniquet method. But it focus more on blocking the carotid arteries.

But unfortunately, theres no easy successful painless suicide method. And theres still cases and chance of failure/things go wrong. Thats why im stressful finding a way.

Spoiler: graphic images of strangulation suicide

God- their determination must have been SO strong. I'm too much of a coward for anything painful that I could back out of easily. Robin Williams suicide puzzled me- from what I understood, it seemed as if he was almost sitting when found. I just can't imagine having the will to endure the pain and panic and not stop the process- if you could.

 

[Efilismislife]

Spoiler: graphic images of strangulation suicide

God- their determination must have been SO strong. I'm too much of a coward for anything painful that I could back out of easily. Robin Williams suicide puzzled me- from what I understood, it seemed as if he was almost sitting when found. I just can't imagine having the will to endure the pain and panic and not stop the process- if you could.

Yeah same otherwise i'd have made up my mind faster and choose easier.

That got me thinking. Does gender also play a part..cause it takes gut and for a bit 'extreme' method needs a bit of violence(like strangle yourself, cut, suffocate, even shooting. the most 'delicate' is N)

well Robin Williams used partial hanging. Its similar to night2 tourniquet too though. I was considering it too but it needs practice. And reading how people fail it worries me. But theres always an unsuccessful case right, but doesnt mean it cant work for everyone.

Some ppl success some ppl fail.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yeah same otherwise i'd have made up my mind faster and choose easier.

That got me thinking. Does gender also play a part..cause it takes gut and for a bit 'extreme' method needs a bit of violence(like strangle yourself, cut, suffocate, even shooting. the most 'delicate' is N)

well Robin Williams used partial hanging. Its similar to night2 tourniquet too though. I was considering it too but it needs practice. And reading how people fail it worries me. But theres always an unsuccessful case right, but doesnt mean it cant work for everyone.

Some ppl success some ppl fail.

Yeah- I think there are statistics if I remember rightly on the role gender plays in suicide. Think more women attempt suicide than men but men are more successful- because they seem more likely to choose more extreme/violent means.

This is from a brief search:

Suicide statistics reveal that women are roughly three times more likely to attempt suicide, though men are two to four times more likely to die by suicide.2​ Compared to men, women show higher rates of suicidal thinking, non-fatal suicidal behavior, and suicide attempts.3​

 

[Euthanza]

Being doctor death is never easy, for any doctor-death and death-doula out there I just want to say thank you for speaking up.

I will never be dr. PN patient not because of PN, but because the system of living that makes us this way.

 

[username8888]

Sarco is a marketing stunt, more than anything else. It's just a small gas chamber, and can be recreated with an old refrigerator for the fraction of the price.

THANKS FOR YOUR CLARITY. SARCO IS JUST A SEXY LOOKING N2 CYLINDER. I DONT NEED SEXINESS I NEED EFFECTIVENESS AND CHEAPNESS.

As a result he started the 15 Liter/Minute flow rate narrative for the exit bag gas method, which was only based on his oxygen equipment.

It's also no conicidence, that the oxygen tubing, which he has sold and which should be used, has a maximum flow of 15 Liter/Minute, because this the max standard with ordinary oxygen tubing by free to purchase even at medical suppliers. I have researched this small fact for more than two hours today.

His test in the PPH was also made with 15 Liter/Minute, so that this narrative can be confirmed by himself.

Science studies, even his competitor in euthanaisa suggesting, that 20 Liter/Minute is the minmum to be safe.

This 15 Liter/Minute is one example, how the deceiving show is running.

The PPH can be very dangerous, if you do not a very deep research at all available sources.

Does 15 Liter/Minute cause pain or something?

I will keep that in mind.

Monopolies are bad. But one is better than none. :(

Well said.