The suicidal person does not really wish to die

[universe]

Hello,
I have the impression that one of the sentences that comes up very often is: "The suicidal person wishes to stop suffering and does not really wish to die".

What do you think ? I have the impression that this sentence translates the impossibility of considering death as an unspecified event. It would necessarily be something very serious, very negative, the worst thing that could happen etc...

And also, that life must necessarily win over death. While the sun will one day explode and in thousands of years there will be no life on earth. Because in any case the universe, nothingness will win over life. A black hole, an asteroid, an exploding star, very powerful radiation… All this destroys everything in a fraction of a second. Basically, fighting for life to continue on earth, and therefore in the universe, is a losing battle.

Also, perhaps it reflects the fact that for many, death is not an option. These people may not want to listen to people who think that so they invalidate their opinion, that in reality they think something else and just want to end their suffering.

 

[[HNO]]

it's all starts w/ frustration
when there's too much frustration one becomes suicidal
deliberately killing oneself instantly solves the pressure build up but it's a quest w/ a lot of impediments on the road
so there's more frustration and desire to kill oneself until goal accomplished

 

[Jimblue]

I think it's depending on each single person. For me I truly wish I can die when I tried to suicide. I just want my pain can be ended, one way or another. Feeling I almost never be totally not ill in my extire life.

 

[universe]

I think it's depending on each single person. For me I truly wish I can die when I tried to suicide. I just want my pain can be ended, one way or another. Feeling I almost never be totally not ill in my extire life.

I think it's the same for me. It's really living in the most primitive and biological sense that I want to suppress. Just the fact of being conscious, of hearing, of seeing things irritates me, without even that anything in particular is happening. To breathe, to be in a body, to think.... No matter the suffering, I want above all never to exist on earth again.

 

[FuneralCry]

I know that I do really wish to die. I see death as being preferable to absolutely everything, to permanently not exist is the best thing possible. I don't want any kind of life, nothing could ever make me want to stay here. I have a strong dislike for existence itself and for me life is the problem. I also see simply being conscious as being a form of suffering, I don't want to experience anything, I just want peaceful nonexistence. I was forced into a world where I don't belong and want nothing to do with. Death solves everything.

 

[universe]

I know that I do really wish to die. I see death as being preferable to absolutely everything, to permanently not exist is the best thing possible. I don't want any kind of life, nothing could ever make me want to stay here. I have a strong dislike for existence itself and for me life is the problem. I also see simply being conscious as being a form of suffering, I don't want to experience anything, I just want peaceful nonexistence. I was forced into a world where I don't belong and want nothing to do with. Death solves everything.

Yes...I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that we really wish death...

 

[Jimblue]

Yes...I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that we really wish death...

I guess they don't have the experience, illness that we had. I never want anyone has same experience like mine.

For them it's really hard to imagine what happened to us, like they feel so shocked.

 

[AnxietyHangover]

This is one of the many bullshit pretenses these pro-lifers regurgitate. They think this shit helps. It doesn't. If anything, you are making the suffering even more angry by not understanding their pain. To come to the realization that death is the last resort, that's the ultimate sign that you want your pain to stop, that you would sacrifice your life only not to feel the pressure of this heinous enemy inside your head.

 

[Julgran]

Hello,
I have the impression that one of the sentences that comes up very often is: "The suicidal person wishes to stop suffering and does not really wish to die".

What do you think ? I have the impression that this sentence translates the impossibility of considering death as an unspecified event. It would necessarily be something very serious, very negative, the worst thing that could happen etc...

And also, that life must necessarily win over death. While the sun will one day explode and in thousands of years there will be no life on earth. Because in any case the universe, nothingness will win over life. A black hole, an asteroid, an exploding star, very powerful radiation… All this destroys everything in a fraction of a second. Basically, fighting for life to continue on earth, and therefore in the universe, is a losing battle.

Also, perhaps it reflects the fact that for many, death is not an option. These people may not want to listen to people who think that so they invalidate their opinion, that in reality they think something else and just want to end their suffering.

The sentence "The suicidal person wishes to stop suffering and does not really wish to die" implies that life itself isn't the source of the suffering. In other words, just trying to survive on a daily basis, without any specific problems, can be hard.

Beyond that, there's also those who simply wish to not exist, even though they aren't facing any physical or mental problems, so they wish to end their life for philosophical reasons. I mean, we are all going that route sooner or later anyway, so why not now..?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I've never really understood that phrase. I guess it makes sense from a pro-life point of view- where life is the most precious thing in the world and needs to be clung on to no matter what and no problem is too big to solve.

It's a pretty stupid phrase really- of course we want our suffering to end! The issue I have is that I don't believe all problems are fixable. Some health problems are incurable. Therapy doesn't make trauma just go away. Most problems don't get fixed without a whole load of effort- and I think that's where the big difference between depressed and 'normal' folk lies- we simply don't have the will or drive to put in that amount of effort (likely- over and over again- life isn't easy for anyone).

I think that saying might work if suffering was something that could easily and effectively be fixed and eradicated but the reality is- it's not. For the most part, it's down to us to try and reduce and deal with our own suffering in life. If your will to live along with the fight to fix your problems has gone, of course you want to die- what's the alternative?!

 

[TigerFestival]

Truth be told I don't really want to die either, it's just what good options are there? I feel that death is my only option to get away from my problems, therapy, medication, etc. doesn't fix my problems, while death doesn't technically fix them either, death will at least wipe them out for me, sad that I have to give up my life to get away from my problems.

 

[FrozenMango]

Some people want to die and some don't. What I don't agree with is : want the pain to stop. I'm not in pain but I want to die. It is not about pain. I don't have desire to stay alive doing chores and paying bills without meeting my basic human needs

 

[universe]

Exactly, I feel that the idea that life itself cannot be a problem is one of the foundations of pro-life ideology. How would life be something beneficial or simply something positive? It's a fact, that's all. And you only have to look at the world we live in to understand that it is a monumental failure.

These people assume that all problems have a solution. Which is unfortunately false.

Some people want to die and some don't. What I don't agree with is : want the pain to stop. I'm not in pain but I want to die. It is not about pain. I don't have desire to stay alive doing chores and paying bills without meeting my basic human needs

Thanks. Sometimes I don't suffer but I still want to die. Sometimes I suffer and I wish to die. What never changes is this desire to leave that never leaves me. Because for me, it's the only logical solution to life.

 

[makethepainstop]

Exactly, I feel that the idea that life itself cannot be a problem is one of the foundations of pro-life ideology. How would life be something beneficial or simply something positive? It's a fact, that's all. And you only have to look at the world we live in to understand that it is a monumental failure.

These people assume that all problems have a solution. Which is unfortunately false.


Thanks. Sometimes I don't suffer but I still want to die. Sometimes I suffer and I wish to die. What never changes is this desire to leave that never leaves me. Because for me, it's the only logical solution to life.

Living and hoping your wretched situation will get better is pure hopium. For kids and young people that's fine, but when you get to a mature age and things have not improved....cold hard logic will tell you your finances, your health, your love life, and your lack of friends, doesn't have a chance in hell of improvement. Why continue to strive, to struggle?

 

[universe]

Unfortunately, I think you're right...Fight until the end, until exhaustion to finally return to the starting point, or even sink even more. To end up continuing to suffer and die one day.

 

[Darkover]

people that commit suicide just want the pain to stop so they kill themselves because of a illness mental or physical , maybe the lost of a loved one as well or maybe they lost everything there are many reason for why someone might want to kill themselves, but it's to escape future suffering

 

[SarRy]

Sure, why not? The desire for death is not the same as acceptance of a coming death. It might be hard to imagine wanting to have nothingness. Most complaints about life seem to be just that, complaints about life. It really changes nothing if the state of life being fled from is unchangeable. Still, it's a bad saying. Wanting death for whatever reason is still wanting death. It can be used to show how "suicide prevention" is useless unless it helps suicidal people to have a better life. Still, we don't do this with other desires. We don't consider why people want wealth, money, fame, etc. It can be enlightening in certain circumstances to consider why a person would choose death over life, but diminishing the desire of someone to die offers no meaningful impact to someone who can bear no longer the burden of existence. Perhaps, the first part makes sense, but its value is lost in the second half. "A suicidal person wishes to stop their suffering." Fine, accurate. "They don't really want to die." Wrong, unhelpful.

 

[thedaywillcome]

I really want to die.

Truth be told I don't really want to die either, it's just what good options are there? I feel that death is my only option to get away from my problems, therapy, medication, etc. doesn't fix my problems, while death doesn't technically fix them either, death will at least wipe them out for me, sad that I have to give up my life to get away from my problems.

Sorry, but I really want to die.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I've thought about this more recently and I suppose the majority of us actually don't want to have to go through the process of dieing- because it's kind of risky. There might be pain, fear, even failure which could bring about even more pain.

As an end goal though- yeah, I think a lot of us do actually want to die. A lot of us would have preferred never to have existed in the first place!

 

[NeverReallyHere]

I guess there's a certain truth to it

"The suicidal person wishes to stop suffering and does not really wish to die".

I guess there's a certain level of truth to it, but it's not a very useful statement. We don't want to die because a billion years of evolution has programmed us not to want to die. I don't think we can extract any sort of ethical prescription from that - at least where taking one's own life is concerned.

 

[PressEnterToExit]

Hello,
I have the impression that one of the sentences that comes up very often is: "The suicidal person wishes to stop suffering and does not really wish to die".

What do you think ? I have the impression that this sentence translates the impossibility of considering death as an unspecified event. It would necessarily be something very serious, very negative, the worst thing that could happen etc...

And also, that life must necessarily win over death. While the sun will one day explode and in thousands of years there will be no life on earth. Because in any case the universe, nothingness will win over life. A black hole, an asteroid, an exploding star, very powerful radiation… All this destroys everything in a fraction of a second. Basically, fighting for life to continue on earth, and therefore in the universe, is a losing battle.

Also, perhaps it reflects the fact that for many, death is not an option. These people may not want to listen to people who think that so they invalidate their opinion, that in reality they think something else and just want to end their suffering.

I think many suicide people wish deep down to have the opportunity of being happy but of course that's not a reason to keep on living. On the other side, I think people is obssesed with being alive no matter what cause of our culture, stupidity and the fact that humans lie to themselves thinking that they can be happy living an empty life. I don't think happiness are moments, I think you have a happy life or you don't and most people isn't really happy. But they have even forgotten or they don't even know what true happiness look like, because they've been programmed since childhood. Happiness is basically having your essential needs fullfiled, like having love, good sex, food, a home, etc People think they can be happy living a life without love or good sex. That's why people keep on living and see death like something horrible. Why would someone desire to be dead if he can fulfill his life gossiping, watching TV and having 3 or 5 or 7 meals each day...... We are blessed for having the opportunity of being in this living nightmare..... We shouldn't desire to be dead!at the end human being seems like an irrational animal, he thinks things like sex and love can be something dirty or unnecessary but on the other side, he also thinks things like people have to stay alive no matter what,because it's better to be half dead and full of diseases rather than being dead... Humans are not rational.

 

[Musichater]

I can't speak for other suicidal people, but I personally wish to expedite my exit (since all living beings are going to die at some point anyway) and make it as peaceful as possible. It'd be nice if I could stop suffering, nevertheless my wish still stands.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I don't want to live like this

 

[GasMonkey]

"The suicidal person wishes to stop suffering and does not really wish to die"

Indeed, and the only way to stop the suffering is to die (in most cases).

 

[Hercules]

There is truth to this saying. Most people don't want to die. They just want to end their suffering, and they have come to the point where they don't see any other solution. If it were possible for them to wake up tommorow and all of their problems were gone, many of them would want to live.

 

[outrider567]

I don't want to live like this

Neither do I--9 months of hell, how many more months can I take

Indeed, and the only way to stop the suffering is to die (in most cases).

Exactly right--With her dead, my life is depressingly unsatisfying, hollow and empty, its not a life anymore

 

[chundryshire]

Hello,
I have the impression that one of the sentences that comes up very often is: "The suicidal person wishes to stop suffering and does not really wish to die".

What do you think ? I have the impression that this sentence translates the impossibility of considering death as an unspecified event. It would necessarily be something very serious, very negative, the worst thing that could happen etc...

And also, that life must necessarily win over death. While the sun will one day explode and in thousands of years there will be no life on earth. Because in any case the universe, nothingness will win over life. A black hole, an asteroid, an exploding star, very powerful radiation… All this destroys everything in a fraction of a second. Basically, fighting for life to continue on earth, and therefore in the universe, is a losing battle.

Also, perhaps it reflects the fact that for many, death is not an option. These people may not want to listen to people who think that so they invalidate their opinion, that in reality they think something else and just want to end their suffering.

i get so pissed when people say the "you don't really want to die" argument to me as if its universal; yes, it's probable that - broadly - the majority of suicidal people want to die so that their pain can stop and not because they actually want to die, but is it not possible for someone to make a rational decision that eg. death is better than living, based on their own reasoning or beliefs?

 

[universe]

I think many suicide people wish deep down to have the opportunity of being happy but of course that's not a reason to keep on living. On the other side, I think people is obssesed with being alive no matter what cause of our culture, stupidity and the fact that humans lie to themselves thinking that they can be happy living an empty life. I don't think happiness are moments, I think you have a happy life or you don't and most people isn't really happy. But they have even forgotten or they don't even know what true happiness look like, because they've been programmed since childhood. Happiness is basically having your essential needs fullfiled, like having love, good sex, food, a home, etc People think they can be happy living a life without love or good sex. That's why people keep on living and see death like something horrible. Why would someone desire to be dead if he can fulfill his life gossiping, watching TV and having 3 or 5 or 7 meals each day...... We are blessed for having the opportunity of being in this living nightmare..... We shouldn't desire to be dead!at the end human being seems like an irrational animal, he thinks things like sex and love can be something dirty or unnecessary but on the other side, he also thinks things like people have to stay alive no matter what,because it's better to be half dead and full of diseases rather than being dead... Humans are not rational.

I couldn't have said it better! I'm a little baffled at why and how so many people get on with their lives. When I observe my surroundings, most do exactly that: they find their happiness in eating dishes, earning a little money and in sex. And sometimes a few other activities but that's it. I can't understand why they are so attached to life, why it is the greatest drama of their lives for them. I've looked for it, but I don't see any logical reasoning for their behavior, which scares me. But what frightens me even more is the possibility that there is no logic and that people are really just acting like this when everything indicates that their behavior is irrational.

 

[akirat9]

I don't care, I am chronically suicidal and want to die. Hence I've tried jumping partial hanging, cutting, burning, mutilation, and now SN
It's not a wish, it a longing. A need. And I've been told its better if I'd just die anyways because thee will be no game. But die in the most painful suicide. (jumping, train etc.)
For me to be the latter, it's not even possible. I'm just going when I please. But it would be different in more harsher circumstances.