The real reason they try to make suicide so taboo is to keep more slaves in the system.

[Emptied_soul]

If you think about it, the campaigns to prevent suicide, the fact that they try to ban people from accesing quick and effective methods or making it so taboo to actually commit suicide by telling you some made up shit about a hell that doesn't exist... it isn't because they actually care about your life, the real reason is that it would mean to lose one slave for the system, a slave that pays taxes, has to consume products and is slave for corporations by working for them. You could say that one slave doesn't matter but if more people were free and had easy access to quick and painless CBT methods...that'd be another story

I hate this shitty system with all my soul and i just want a way out of this, i'm tired...

 

[RichardFirst]

In the infinite growth model, a human generates GDP by their mere act of existing. We need food, shelter, clothing and medical care. All of these require consumption, and consumption generates GDP by moving funny money around the economy. This ruinous system is why most of the West is in terminal decline, and the efforts of governments and states to keep the house of cards aloft is probably behind the motivation for many of us to be here.

Interestingly, in countries like Canada, there are moves to allow people to take voluntary euthanasia, even for mental "disorders". I have little doubt that this is motivated by any inclinations towards kindness by the Canadian state, but I'm sure that it will be a welcome option for many.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, this is true. It could be a reason as to why people tell lies about suicide being something that is "irrational", and this is used as a justifcation to try to deny people the right to die when the reality is that we will all die anyway. Continuing to exist is just delaying the inevitable. But this hellish world does disgust me, it's true that as humans we exist just to suffer. It's a curse to be born in this world where there is no straightforward way to be free from existing.

 

[CTB Dream]

This species prgrm, use thermo,more hmn exist mean more rsrc more cmpet more ignrnt more rprdct. Loopp sufferi

 

[Marine]

That's probably at least one reason why.

This might change soon as they progressively need less and less human slaves though, but that also means unrestrained genocide for those who want to live...

While I would welcome pro choice laws, the way I see it is that they still assume the right over your life by deciding whether or not you're eligible to euthanasia according to their arbitrary criteria and either way they don't give you the right to decide when and how to die, which is a problem for me.

If I could choose I would rather escape the prison through generalized voluntaryism though.

 

[RichardFirst]

That's probably at least one reason why. This might change soon as they progressively need less and less human slaves though, but that also means unrestrained genocide for those who want to live... While I would welcome pro choice laws, the way I see it is that they still assume the right over your life by deciding whether or not you're eligible to euthanasia according to their arbitrary criteria and either way they don't give you the right to decide when and how to die, which is a problem for me.

There have been stories from Canada of the state's offering euthanasia to people whom it is unwilling to help with medical care. I think that euthanasia should be an option for anyone who wants it, no questions asked, but it should NEVER be offered to anyone without their asking.

 

[Marine]

There have been stories from Canada of the state's offering euthanasia to people whom it is unwilling to help with medical care. I think that euthanasia should be an option for anyone who wants it, no questions asked, but it should NEVER be offered to anyone without their asking.

It's all the more dubious that they seem to push it first for teenagers, not adults ???

Is that an unabashed way of saying "let's get rid of you before you cost us any more money " ?

 

[RichardFirst]

It's all the more dubious that they seem to push it first for teenagers, not adults ???

I've heard of its being pushed to disabled persons, but not teenagers. That is grim...

 

[Marine]

I've heard of its being pushed to disabled persons, but not teenagers. That is grim...

I've personally heard it been pushed on disabled / depressed teenagers.

 

[RichardFirst]

I've personally heard it been pushed on disabled / depressed teenagers.

Hell is empty, for the devils are here....

Honestly though, this is a sick world, and little surprises me anymore.

 

[Marine]

Hell is empty, for the devils are here....

Honestly though, this is a sick world, and little surprises me anymore.

In case it wasn't obvious already, I think this is hell.
Apparently the human condition can be made into either heaven or hell depending on our collective moral choices or lack thereof. It doesn't have to be hell. It's only hell because most average people are asleep and oblivious to evil oligarchs running free but we can still turn that around.
We would need a way to live first though as far as SS's members are concerned. Those who want to change that anyway.

It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before (during the 3d Reich namely), but it's kind of disturbing to see it again during our lifetime, especially to see how they shamelessly promote it and almost nobody seems to see the connection... Not to mention how they're super into advertising porn stuff to kids now, that frightens me even more... It's really time for us to wake up collectively, these guys no longer have limits.

 

[RichardFirst]

In case it wasn't obvious already, I think this is hell.
Apparently the human condition can be made into either heaven or hell depending on our collective moral choices or lack thereof. It doesn't have to be hell. It's only hell because most average people are asleep and oblivious to evil oligarchs running free but we can still turn that around.
We would need a way to live first though as far as SS's members are concerned. Those who want to change that anyway.

It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before (during the 3d Reich namely), but it's kind of disturbing to see it again during our lifetime, especially to see how they shamelessly promote it and almost nobody seems to see the connection... Not to mention how they're super into advertising porn stuff to kids now, that frightens me even more... It's really time for us to wake up collectively, these guys no longer have limits.

The kind of societal decay that we're seeing has certainly happened before. Obviously, the best example is the Roman Empire, but there are plenty more. As I see it, the crash of 2008 exposed the fundamental flaw of the Western financial system, and everything since then has merely served to prolong the decline rather than prevent the collapse. I genuinely believe that we will see a major, major inflection point in the coming decades. I do not wish to see it, and it's largely why I have remained childless.

I don't know whether you are a believer, but may God have mercy on us.

 

[Marine]

The kind of societal decay that we're seeing has certainly happened before. Obviously, the best example is the Roman Empire, but there are plenty more. As I see it, the crash of 2008 exposed the fundamental flaw of the Western financial system, and everything since then has merely served to prolong the decline rather than prevent the collapse. I genuinely believe that we will see a major, major inflection point in the coming decades. I do not wish to see it, and it's largely why I have remained childless.

I don't know whether you are a believer, but may God have mercy on us.

I think it's more than a financial problem but I'd like to be as optimistic as Larken Rose when he says that never before have people been more generally aware of / started doubting the BS of this system especially now that we have the internet, though it's hard to see sometimes and we have a long way to go but I want to believe that the collapse will be that of this sick machine, not ours. I am not religious but spiritual, yes. I believe in a higher consciousness in nature connecting us all let's say.

About the original topic I also think that most people are terrified of death and can't face their own weaknesses / suffering so they project that fear outward by trying to control others so they don't have to question themselves, but now they're becoming more and more pressed to do so since such a system isn't sustainable.

 

[Emptied_soul]

imo The best way to give them a big fu is to ctb, and write a letter , book, post or website letting them know I won't be a slave to them anymore and I'm escaping their prison. I'll also write how after Death is non-existence which is the ultimate bliss not bad like they made non-existence out to be and that life is a prison torture slavery and hell . Like andy dufresne escaped prison in the Shawshank Redemption . With chatGPT and other ai tools it's easy to write books websites etc.

Someone already wrote how non-existence is the ultimate bliss in the Ever Deeper Honesty Book which is free to download . It's a truth revealing book that proves how life is prison slavery torture etc. https://www.everdeeperhonesty.com

But I want to add some things and from my personal viewpoint and leave a website just as a big fu to them and all the pro-lifers

In my case i don't believe in non-existence, from a human standpoint i can't understand not existing because of the human ego, but even if it's just a perception of my human ego, nonexistence from an external viewpoint doesn't makes any sense at all. Just because you don't remember your previous existence doesn't mean you didn't exist before being born into this current life. How can one just not feel anything anymore for eternity? Not even waiting in darkness, but a timeless, sensationless existence? And i mean sure once you're strapped from the human ego the perception of your own consciousness/soul might change how you perceive time, sensations...etc, so what feels like 80 years to you might look like just one second when perceived by your consciousness and that is taking into account a 3 dimensional universe where time is linear and has a set of rules...but i believe the soul moves towards other planes of existence once the Physical body dies and eventually after a while you'll get reincarnated again (hopefully in a much better world than this hellhole)

Oh well, back to the point, i don't believe in nonexistence, i don't believe there's a heaven (christian definition of heaven) but the buddhist approach is one that i hold tight. We reincarnate in this hell/Samsara cycle till we achieve enlightenment and lose any attachment we could have with this world in order to finally escape from this prison.

 

[AngryDog]

I agree that the death of a functioning adult is a loss in most economic systems. Self harm due to a failed attempt in particular end up costing quite a lot of money. Trying to prevent it seems logical in that sense.

The taboo comes in part from religion, I think, especially christianity. The idea that if you kill yourself you're going to hell was like common sense in my childhood.
Another reason of why suicide is such a taboo is people's lack of understanding of it. There's a lot of stigma and misconceptions surrounding suicidal tendencies and most of the time the average person is unprepared to deal with it.

I believe assisted suicide laws are good and will be more common once the main taboos disappear. As long as it is regulated, the person asking for it has autonomy, asks for it repeatedly and is experiencing a lot of pain and/or a terminal illness, it should be legal.

 

[anguila_anguila]

It's all the more dubious that they seem to push it first for teenagers, not adults ???

Is that an unabashed way of saying "let's get rid of you before you cost us any more money " ?

That makes no sense.
Many countries around the world are struggling, or soon will be, because their population is aging.

Countries want more young people and less older people. Why? Because for the vast majority, the old do not work, they do not generate new income or innovate, they need financial support in the form of pensions and they tend to have more illnesses so are more of a burden on the health industry.

The pension money has got to come from somewhere (and it isn't "saved" over a person's lifetime, that money is always being used in some way), so it makes sense to want to promote euthanasia to the older people, not the young.

 

[Marine]

That makes no sense.
Many countries around the world are struggling, or soon will be, because their population is aging.

Countries want more young people and less older people. Why? Because for the vast majority, the old do not work, they do not generate new income or innovate, they need financial support in the form of pensions and they tend to have more illnesses so are more of a burden on the health industry.

The pension money has got to come from somewhere (and it isn't "saved" over a person's lifetime, that money is always being used in some way), so it makes sense to want to promote euthanasia to the older people, not the young.

Disabled people don't generate income. They live on disability benefits. That's why. Also eugenics are a thing. And like I was saying they need less ans less human slaves with the progress in AI technology.

 

[Octavia]

Capitalism is an impressively well-oiled machine, is it not? It would have been mesmerising if it did not use people as expendable cogs.

 

[anguila_anguila]

Disabled people don't generate income. They live on disability benefits. That's why. Also eugenics are a thing. And like I was saying they need less ans less human slaves with the progress in AI technology.

In your post i responded to you yiu didn't say disabled. You just said teenagers.

AI will only get so far. And there are many things that only humans can do at the moment, AI is still pretty superficial.
I wouldn't worry about AI or the "people in charge pulling the strings", society is far more likely to collapse because of many other reasons well before AI takes over.

 

[Rogue Proxy]

I completely concur that human servitude is the major motive behind life preservation, including suicide prevention. This is prevalent in all social groups and cultures, both past and present, including societies that lack complex economic systems like in the United States, Australia, Russia, and Japan.

In fact, there's an interesting connection between the persistent portrayal and classification of suicide as mental illness, and the defunct mental disorder drapetomania. In the 1850s, the America physician Samuel A. Cartwright coined the term "drapetomania" to explain the mentality of African slaves resisting and escaping from slavery. He proposed that Africans had a far superior quality of life living under and serving their European masters as opposed to living free. Ergo, those who reject this "wonderous" life of captivity would have to "insane."

 

[Marine]

In your post i responded to you yiu didn't say disabled. You just said teenagers.

AI will only get so far. And there are many things that only humans can do at the moment, AI is still pretty superficial.
I wouldn't worry about AI or the "people in charge pulling the strings", society is far more likely to collapse because of many other reasons well before AI takes over.

I mentioned disabled a post later. It is weird that they only talked about teenagers though. Maybe I didn't get the info about the adults, I've only seen mention of depressed and disabled teenagers and wondered why not adults since they're equally useless to them. Either way these are not useful slaves. I can attest being very useless to them and even in their way. Disabled people might see through the BS of the system too so that would also make them dangerous I guess, all the more if they're still young and able to regroup.

Of course humans aren't replaceable in reality, but satanist oligarchs are kind of crazy and believe in transhumanism and robots mostly replacing humans anyway. That doesnt mean they're right about that and either way they would need some human cattle, not the disabled ones though. They call us "useless mouths", which is ironic coming from the real parasites but anyway. It certainly is up to us to fix things but we should be reasonably aware of the crazy psychos pulling the strings since they're kind of dangerous.

I completely concur that human servitude is the major motive behind life preservation, including suicide prevention. This is prevalent in all social groups and cultures, both past and present, including societies that lack complex economic systems like in the United States, Australia, Russia, and Japan.

In fact, there's an interesting connection between the persistent portrayal and classification of suicide as mental illness, and the defunct mental disorder drapetomania. In the 1850s, the America physician Samuel A. Cartwright coined the term "drapetomania" to explain the mentality of African slaves resisting and escaping from slavery. He proposed that Africans had a far superior quality of life living and serving their European masters as opposed to living free. Ergo, those who reject this "wonderous" life of captivity would have to "insane."

"Mental illness", always the most convenient BS of oppressors am I right ? They're still trying to coin new terms describing how if you don't let them stomp on you - aka if you're actually sane - you're mentally ill.

Also very convenient to falsely portray freedom as chaos. Why so many people to this day think that's what anarchy means...

 

[thevaccumguy]

If you think about it, the campaigns to prevent suicide, the fact that they try to ban people from accesing quick and effective methods or making it so taboo to actually commit suicide by telling you some made up shit about a hell that doesn't exist... it isn't because they actually care about your life, the real reason is that it would mean to lose one slave for the system, a slave that pays taxes, has to consume products and is slave for corporations by working for them. You could say that one slave doesn't matter but if more people were free and had easy access to quick and painless CBT methods...that'd be another story

I hate this shitty system with all my soul and i just want a way out of this, i'm tired...

Wasn't that the reason the giant pharma companies don't bother with investigating suicide method? Something along how ctb ain't gonna be a stable market anyway

 

[DeadButDreaming]

It's amazing how much shit people attribute to capitalism. There is no conspiracy against you and no one spends any time thinking about you.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

If you think about it, the campaigns to prevent suicide, the fact that they try to ban people from accesing quick and effective methods or making it so taboo to actually commit suicide by telling you some made up shit about a hell that doesn't exist... it isn't because they actually care about your life, the real reason is that it would mean to lose one slave for the system, a slave that pays taxes, has to consume products and is slave for corporations by working for them. You could say that one slave doesn't matter but if more people were free and had easy access to quick and painless CBT methods...that'd be another story

I hate this shitty system with all my soul and i just want a way out of this, i'm tired...

This was true when there was a lack of people but today live 7 billion too many of us on this planet.

 

[yive]

yes, but it's not only about the government, but also about ppl on a personal level. what parent want to lose their child (slave) due to suicide? only if the child was unwanted, perhaps, but it's a rare behavior. this is a conflict of interest at the deepest level. many ppl don't want to lose their friends/partners/relatives etc. as a result we see that suicide is prohibited and euthanasia is severely restricted (or banned) in every country.

also some delusional/privileged ppl really (really!) think that "life is good", "life is a precious gift" etc, and they don't want their bubble to be shattered by someone commiting suicide. some may actually think that we are "insane"/"mentally ill" simply because we intend to give up this "wOndeRful gift of life" and they want to "save" us through the restriction of methods and forcing psychiatry (what a stupid motive). also we have some religious ppl. so it's all about enslavement, ignorance and religion, and it's just extremely tragic.

at the end of the day, we live in a fucked up society that really thinks that becoming disabled is better than dying, that getting a life sentence is better than the death penalty, that it's better to die old than young etc. it's such a disgusting backward society. just stupid. worthless, pointless. cruel, wasteful

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

In my case i don't believe in non-existence, from a human standpoint i can't understand not existing because of the human ego, but even if it's just a perception of my human ego, nonexistence from an external viewpoint doesn't makes any sense at all. Just because you don't remember your previous existence doesn't mean you didn't exist before being born into this current life. How can one just not feel anything anymore for eternity? Not even waiting in darkness, but a timeless, sensationless existence? And i mean sure once you're strapped from the human ego the perception of your own consciousness/soul might change how you perceive time, sensations...etc, so what feels like 80 years to you might look like just one second when perceived by your consciousness and that is taking into account a 3 dimensional universe where time is linear and has a set of rules...but i believe the soul moves towards other planes of existence once the Physical body dies and eventually after a while you'll get reincarnated again (hopefully in a much better world than this hellhole)

Oh well, back to the point, i don't believe in nonexistence, i don't believe there's a heaven (christian definition of heaven) but the buddhist approach is one that i hold tight. We reincarnate in this hell/Samsara cycle till we achieve enlightenment and lose any attachment we could have with this world in order to finally escape from this prison.

I am sure that after Death is non-existence forever. And to me that is the best thing. I had enough of life and existing. I want to forget forever the horrors inflicted upon me in this life . I don't want to remember the horrors and trauma foreever for trillions of quadrillions of years. That would be a torture a billion times worse than I can imagine. I think many on here also had enough of life or want to forget . Non-existence forever will allow me to solve all my problems forever never any pain , and to forget forever the problems , horrors , tortures , traumas , injustice , pain , suffering inflicted on me by others , this world and by life itself . After Death / non-existence forever all the horrible memories the traumas the evil this evil life will be irrelevant to me gone forever that is resting in Peace = Death.

Then religions and others want to tell me that no I can't Rest in Peace . These relgious people by telling me i have to remember the horrors forever are inflicting more trauma and suffering on me because I like many want to forget the horrors of this life. Non-existence is the ultimate bliss never pain never suffering to forget all problems , troubles, traumas evil horrible things happening against me forever. Religious people say that no there is really no Death that death doesn't really exist you just transition to another stage or life or whatever which is Denial of Death . These religions or psuedo religions say that I can't really die that I have to live trillions of trillions of lives more or years or whatever they are saying , without any scientific evidence and that I am supposed to be happy about that. What am I supposed to be doing for trillions of years remembering the horrors of this life ? who or what would torture a being like that for trillions of years after "creating" them to suffer unbearable pain in this life? for what purpose? I see none.

I'm just an animal that needs to eat 3 times a day just to power this weak brain and body and then to work so hard every week 80 hours just to do this and exist . . To me it doesn't matter what others believe or that they want to have afterlifes that is their business but to me living or existing for trillions to the quadrillion power years and beyond to infinity is a horror that is worse than I can imagine . I want no more. i have had much more than enough of this torture called life. Why would I want to be trapped in the body of an animal or to even exist. I see no reason. Just because the DNA molecule replicated 4 billion years ago is why I'm here .I think all religions are fictional tales other humans made up to control other people. I'm an atheist. I'll never change these beliefs. There are thousands of reasons why. Just some are that drugs or injury to the brain change the character and who the human is. Then there is neuroplasticity . The brain changes learns. I'm not the same person I was a age 1, 2 , 5, 10 years old , 15 years , 20 years and so on. At age 5 I had different thoughts beliefs consciousness intelligence etc. I've tested a lot of the research on memory , habits and others from Brain science, psychology , the cell, neuroscience and many others. For example one can look through a microscope and see a human is just cells, the cells are exactly the same in every animal , the eukaryotic cell. I don't see where is the power source or a reason for a god a soul spirit anything supernatural . . I we are the continuation of a chemical reaction that occured 4 billion years ago when the first DNA molecule was able to replicate.

What Actually Is Consciousness, and How Did It Evolve?

Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution. Consciousness is no exception—it seems nonphysical, but is very much a biological phenomenon.

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How Brain Neurons Change Over Time From Life Experience

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[OutOfTheVoid]

i absolutely agree. this society doesnt really care if we die, after all the system lets poor people starve to death every day and denies people medical care, not to mention straight up killing people. the only reason suicide intervention is institutionalized is to make sure we live to stay obedient workers and passive consumers, not because any of these institutions like psychiatry or the government actually care about our well-being.

one of the biggest reasons i want to ctb is precisely because i dont want to be a slave. im already not working and i refuse to get a job even tho i have literally 0 money. and because i have no money, i can barely be a consumer either, but this society makes that kind of refusal as difficult and miserable as possible. i'd just rather rot away and ctb than be a slave in this fucked up world

"Mental illness", always the most convenient BS of oppressors am I right ? They're still trying to coin new terms describing how if you don't let them stomp on you - aka if you're actually sane - you're mentally ill.

this. "mental illness" is just a way to pathologize our suffering and shift blame away from the society and oppressors causing our suffering, blaming our brains instead saying we just lack certain neurotransmitters or whatever. its victim blaming. and giving bs remedies like psychiatric drugs and therapy to make us productive workers and give money to big pharma while sucking us dry with medical debt. its also an excuse to call us 'irrational' and use that as justification to deny our autonomy and violate our bodies by locking us in mental institutions or send cops with guns after us.

Also very convenient to falsely portray freedom as chaos. Why so many people to this day think that's what anarchy means..

hey a fellow anarchist! i have a different view on 'chaos' tho. i dont buy the whole "anarchy = order" thing, i worry that any form of 'order' would just replicate hierarchy and systems of domination all over again. i unironically believe 'chaos' is the way to go

 

[AllMyDreams]

As someone who alternates between really wanting to ctb and wanting to live, when we really want to die yeah people who tell us to live can seem super selfish, like part of a conspiracy. Reflecting now, while I'm in a good state, I think that most people just want to urge strangers to live so that they don't feel guilty, because they truly believe life is worth living for them and want to be able to tell themselves they did all they could. If there is some kind of grand scheme to keep people alive, I think it's to prevent society from collapsing in general vs. only keeping people alive to line someone's pockets (though people with greedy motivations absolutely do exist).

The medical community seems to promote the idea that anyone can get better, and I think this is true for a lot of people, but not everyone. I like the approach that Belgium has taken, where someone with an incurable mental illness is allowed to be euthanized. That way, there's emphasis on treatment of those who can be treated, but if someone simply can't give themselves a good quality of life, they are able to leave.