The R2D Rebreather II now delivered successfully

[Wrennie]

We really are in dire need of some eyewitness reports!

That would be very helpful for the community! There are a lot of details you could provide.

However, you would have to order additional, new/sealed filters if you unseal & use the your filters for a test.

What blood-oxygen saturation % would you use to abort?

Pictures from the website:
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I just don't know: I'd like to think that it's possible to get a mask of this style pretty secure. No method (without medical supervision) is ever 100%. I'd think it would be extremely hard for one's mouth to open with that strap on. BUT, as you noted — an airtight seal is absolutely required.

Have you read their PDF instructions and watched all their instructional videos, explaining how to correctly fit & affix the mask? The PDF goes into great detail on how to do it correctly.

A version of the PDF is here: www.right2die.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/R2D_Rebreather_Instructions_3.18.21.pdf — but always make sure to CHECK-FOR AND DOWNLOAD THE NEWEST VERSION of their instructions by looking it up on their website.

As for what the oxygen saturation level should be when I decide to abort, I actually don't know lmao. That's a pretty major flaw to my plan... at what level should I start to become worried but at the same time know that the device is functioning as advertised? When I put the pulse oximeter on me now (with no Rebreather involvement) I'm at a 99 or 100 consistently. I'm using a Jumper pulse oximeter so I'm not sure how good the quality of that brand even is to begin with.

As for the filter - it's the black stuff above and below the soda lime in the canisters, correct? I wouldn't know anything about where to source that from or how to get it to fit to the specially sized jars that R2D provides.

 

[Greenberg]

Exit says scuba masks don't work. You'd be better off just with an edit bag and canister if gas

Dr. Nitschke through Exit International is making an outrageous statement that SCUBA masks do not work. Is he a flat-earther? Maybe he should say that all of Jacques Cousteau's underwater expeditions were all faked like the moon landings. Absolute rubbish!

 

[EOL4ME]

 

[profoundexperience]

As for what the oxygen saturation level should be when I decide to abort, I actually don't know lmao.

If you decide to do this, I think you need to work-out a careful "test plan"... including posting several threads in the forum... to make sure you get plenty of feedback from folks who are technically savvy. But I'll give you some: "starting points" (which will need to be verified):


source: https://www.medicinenet.com/what_are_blood_oxygen_levels/article.htm

Although it requires more thinking/research... I'd "abort" before 85 (or earlier if one isn't feeling well enough).

Another consideration is that one's brain is closer in distance to one's lungs... A fingertip pulse oxymeter's reading will slightly lag behind the oxygen % the brain is getting.

That's a pretty major flaw to my plan... at what level should I start to become worried but at the same time know that the device is functioning as advertised?

I'd say if you start at ~99%... by the time you get to 90, you can be very confident it's working.

I'd plan to write-down your measurements every 30 seconds... so that data can be analyzed: I'd think that... as the oxygen level in the DeBreather's air decreases (scientifically, when the "partial pressure" of oxygen outside the body FALLS BELOW the partial pressure of oxygen inside the body...) the process may start to accelerate a little.

When I put the pulse oximeter on me now (with no Rebreather involvement) I'm at a 99 or 100 consistently.

That's completely normal and what one would expect.

I'm using a Jumper pulse oximeter so I'm not sure how good the quality of that brand even is to begin with.

Usually, they are all pretty ok... usually within ~2% of a more accurate blood/laboratory test.

Yours seems to be reading correctly, provided you have good pulmonary health. And, I'd guess that you're probably reasonably close to sea level too (you don't live at an exceptionally high altitude).

As for the filter - it's the black stuff above and below the soda lime in the canisters, correct?

There are particle-filters and there are chemical-filters: What I'm talking about are the soda-lime chemical filters that absorb the CO2: Once opened from their sealed packaging — just like ice melts over time — the soda lime filters will "go bad". I don't know exactly how long... but I wouldn't use the same filters for testing as ctb... unless I did ctb immediately after testing.

I wouldn't know anything about where to source that from or how to get it to fit to the specially sized jars that R2D provides.

I'd ask the R2D's manufacturer how much to get an extra set of filters. Say I wanted to do a carefully controlled test before I ctb... because I needed to know what it "feels like" before I actually do it.

 

[profoundexperience]

Exit says scuba masks don't work.

Dr. Nitschke through Exit International is making an outrageous statement that SCUBA masks do not work.

I searched through the whole PPeH and the only time SCUBA is mentioned is in relation to the history of the DeBreather.

I've also listened to all of Nitschke's podcasts... and masks are never mentioned (to my recollection).

Here's an excerpt from the PPeH (March 2020 version... although I know this chapter was reversed in March 2021) that does recommend against using masks for the inert gas method. This is the entirety of what it says.

I think, if one is technically proficient, masks are a-ok. But, like for my 2 (now deceased) grandmothers... using a mask versus a bag for inert gas would add unnecessary complexity... and would be very bad advice (at least for them).

The fact is masks CAN add more complexity... one more thing that — if not done well — has a chance of "going wrong". I can understand why Nitschke recommends against it (especially when a bag/hood can work perfectly well... and has been highly proven in many suicides)... Also, we should consider that Exit specializes in helping much older, perhaps often frail/arthritic folks. A mask may simply be completely "undoable" for many of them.

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at what level should I start to become worried

"Effects of Hypoxia" (video)

The great thing about @EOL4ME's video is that the presenter was wearing a pulse-oxymeter! And at 60% — he was still "conscious" — but unable to follow commands, even to save his own life.

Another great video is "How to Kill a Human Being", by the BBC, available here:

The whole last half (after they electrocute the pig), builds-up to the argument that hypoxia is the ideal way to die.

Of course hypoxia, induced by different methods, can come-on at different rates:

1. With the "inert gas method", because it can approach 0% oxygen, right from the start... hypoxia and unconsciousness are very quick.
2. In an airplane at altitude having a "rapid decompression", it goes to ~50% normal oxygen instantly... hypoxia set-in... and unconsciousness in a few minutes. This is the kind of experience of dying I'd prefer... but, darn it, I can't afford an airplane or decompression chamber.
3. With the DeBreather, oxygen level starts at 100% normal and then decreases ~slowly (compared to the other 2). Theoretically, one gets to experience much more time "in hypoxia"... which is said to be very pleasant, even "euphoric"... If the device can otherwise be made work well, I imagine this would be a very good way to have time to consciously to drop all of life's baggage & well "relax into death".

 

[fishtacos4me]

The mask in the picture looks just like my first CPAP mask (without the chin strap). I've used a number of different CPAP masks over the years and they are not easy to get to seal - and they will not work for apnea if they don't seal. Maybe my face is weird or something, but in my own experience, using one successfully is a combination of having the right style mask for me, tweaking the adjustments, sleeping in the right position, and literally learning new breathing habits (for example, it took me probably a month to form the habit of not opening my mouth while I'm asleep when I switched to a nasal type mask).

WOW thanks for posting that video @profoundexperience
That was fascinating.
I've had a couple of dogs I had to euthanize. It takes one injection and less than 30 seconds. No choking, no vomiting, no whimpering, just going limp and the heart stops before the injection is even finished. I always wondered why can't we just do something like that for people?

Well at least I feel a little better, because I was thinking about using an exit bag anyway.

I'm really not surprised that some people want others to die in horrible ways. The world sucks so damned bad.

 

[Trojan]

I am currently awaiting delivery of the new version. Hopefully we will know a lot more about it by the time I need to use it.

 

[karel1987]

Can you keep us updated when it arriveerde ?

 

[Trojan]

I will let you know when it arrives.

 

[NormaJeane]

You who have received your R2D Rebreather II, have you practiced with the face mask? Any experiences, positive or negative with the device? I have not opended mine yet, I am saving it for the future.

 

[deadinsideforever]

I guess they expect that "chin strap" apparatus to be capable of sealing the jaws enough to prevent agonal breathing, but idk. I wish there was an actual legit study to back the efficacy of this model Rebreather (not that study with the concept device from like the mid 2000's or so that people often reference on here).
I want to know if the version I'm ordering will work as intended.

But regarding helmets, Exit mentions in the latest edition of the PPH about trying to find a way to utilize those heavy-duty protective anti-Covid 19 helmets used by medical practitioners as a potential component in a device used to facilitate death

I have to use a cpap machine, I use it with a chin strap but inevitably it falls off and I wake with my mouth open! I don't think I'll trust this til it's proven

 

[Fish Face]

Yes, you seem confused and ugly in your picture. Why are you here if you are confused and do not want contact with other people?

Do not insult people on this site please. Many of us are here because we have had that all our lives and it is a safe place.

 

[Nigh]

Tried the chin strap, and it kept sliding off. Had to do it painfully tight and still can't be sure it will remain secure during actual use.

 

[Octavina]

Wo

Tried the chin strap, and it kept sliding off. Had to do it painfully tight and still can't be sure it will remain secure during actual use.

Would you take any sedatives before your initial ctb? I'm aware that there isn't much of a need to anyway, but everyone is different

 

[Nigh]

Wo

Would you take any sedatives before your initial ctb? I'm aware that there isn't much of a need to anyway, but everyone is different

I would like to take something to put me at ease and to calm nerves. However, benzos just make me sleepy. And propranolol, which is meant to be good for anxiety, actually makes me more anxious .

 

[avoid_slow_death]

Damn I want one of these....but the price is pretty high for something with zero documented successes. Plus, will be living with others, so, if the package comes in and someone sees it, definitely gonna ask what it is....

 

[karel1987]

I am also interessed and had Some contact with the supplier. I hope this wil work because the idea sounds great

 

[Wrennie]

Tried the chin strap, and it kept sliding off. Had to do it painfully tight and still can't be sure it will remain secure during actual use.

So the chin strap is just as flimsy as it looks?

 

[Nigh]

So the chin strap is just as flimsy as it looks?

I actually thought it looked quite strong in the video, however it's not even the same one.

 

[karel1987]

Can we use tape ?

 

[job1315]

Yes, construction is easy. Can't really say anything about various people's concerns other than if I would not have taken mask off I would have been out within 2-3 minutes. I basically reviewed the old TrailerTrash posts. Easy to buy everything in the US from hardware stores and off eBay, but I'm not really sure what hardware stores have in other countries.

what are the old trailer trash posts?

 

[NormaJeane]

Would it be better to buy a bigger face mask so we do not have to use the chin strap?

 

[Greenberg]

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Would it be better to buy a bigger face mask so we do not have to use the chin strap?

I thought that the package includes 3 mask sizes?

 

[Trojan]

It includes 3 sizes of masks that have inflatable cushions for better fit.

 

[Nigh]

Does anyone with the rebreather know how to inflate the cushions?

 

[Greenberg]

Does anyone with the rebreather know how to inflate the cushions?

Use a syringe to inflate the mask custions. Best!

 

[Trojan]

It actually comes with a syringe for this purpose.

 

[NormaJeane]

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I thought that the package includes 3 mask sizes?

You do not understand. A larger face mask than the biggest in the package. There is a thread here about building your own rebreather with a bigger face mask.

 

[Nigh]

It actually comes with a syringe for this purpose.

Yes, but where on the masks do you insert it?

 

[Trojan]

There is a valve on the mask. Watch the how to video on the website.