Discussion The purpose of a human life

[Mashedout]

is to suffer. Through suffering we grow, we elevate to a higher version of ourselves if we are present in that process. Just as the child grows into the adult, the adult can grow into the higher version of themselves. The child is broken by things that the adult just shrugs off. The higher self can respond a similar way to the things that broke the past adult version of themselves.

Ultimately no one knows what is going on here. FUCK WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW. You don't know shit. The origin of conciousness, the full picture of reality, our place in it, what happens upon death. All anyone has to offer to these important issues is guesses and stories. We know nothing. Just as you were forced to participate here you could be forced to participate somewhere else after. So in a terrible situation such as this the only sensible course of action is to strengthen ourselves to become the best version that we can be. The one who can deal with the most amount of adversity. This is done through suffering, not pleasure seeking. Pain and pleasure will exist in any space where conciousness exists, here, there, anywhere. You need no system to deal with pleasure, it's effortless. You do need a system to deal with suffering though. Look around at the world, so many aren't learning how to suffer correctly. The food addicts, the drug addicts, the sex addicts, the fame whores, the materialists, the ragers, near endless consumption. They're pleasure seeking, running away from suffering and getting stuck in loops. Desire, regret, desire, regret, desire, regret, round and round they go. Your purpose is to suffer and elevate, level up. When you stray away from that and pleasure seek, you regress. When you stay on purpose, you progress. It's quite simple actually. Once you understand this then it's all about exerting energy and implementing a process to stay on purpose. Problems never stop, desire never stops pulling at you, ever. That's why the process to reject it is so important.

Learning how to suffer serves us in this life and whatever comes after. If you're forced to run a marathon and you chose desire all day, sitting on the couch guzzling beers and gorging on cheetos; you're going to be shattered by that adversity. The person who sought out adveristy and made it their purpose, isn't. "A marathon, meh I do those all the time."

 

[Snatsbats]

is to suffer. Through suffering we grow, we elevate to a higher version of ourselves if we are present in that process. Just as the child grows into the adult, the adult can grow into the higher version of themselves. The child is broken by things that the adult just shrugs off. The higher self can respond a similar way to the things that broke the past adult version of themselves.

Ultimately no one knows what is going on here. FUCK WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW. You don't know shit. The origin of conciousness, the full picture of reality, our place in it, what happens upon death. All anyone has to offer to these important issues is guesses and stories. We know nothing. Just as you were forced to participate here you could be forced to participate somewhere else after. So in a terrible situation such as this the only sensible course of action is to strengthen ourselves to become the best version that we can be. The one who can deal with the most amount of adversity. This is done through suffering, not pleasure seeking. Pain and pleasure will exist in any space where conciousness exists, here, there, anywhere. You need no system to deal with pleasure, it's effortless. You do need a system to deal with suffering though. Look around at the world, so many aren't learning how to suffer correctly. The food addicts, the drug addicts, the sex addicts, the fame whores, the materialists, the ragers, near endless consumption. They're pleasure seeking, running away from suffering and getting stuck in loops. Desire, regret, desire, regret, desire, regret, round and round they go. Your purpose is to suffer and elevate, level up. When you stray away from that and pleasure seek, you regress. When you stay on purpose, you progress. It's quite simple actually. Once you understand this then it's all about exerting energy and implementing a process to stay on purpose. Problems never stop, desire never stops pulling at you, ever. That's why the process to reject it is so important.

Learning how to suffer serves us in this life and whatever comes after. If you're forced to run a marathon and you chose desire all day, sitting on the couch guzzling beers and gorging on cheetos; you're going to be shattered by that adversity. The person who sought out adveristy and made it their purpose, isn't. "A marathon, meh I do those all the time."

The only thing that matters is pleasure. All the things we do, all the hardships we go through is for pleasure. If your quality of life is shit and suffering outweighs pleasure to a great extent life isnt worth it. After all we all will die one day and it will be all for nothing.

If you suffer alot and try to change things for the better, over and over again, but nothing changes. And not just for a month but for years upon years. You try everything take it on with both hands, but after all those years you dont see a posive change, like most people. Than what is the point of trying again?

If you are depressed your mind is telling you that you need to fix a problem, but if that problem is unfixable. Your just done.

Im not going to suffer for nothing

 

[FuneralCry]

If you see suffering as a positive thing then that's your opinion, as humans we are all different and believe in different things, but to me all suffering is unnecessary, there is no value to having to suffer, I see suffering as something to be avoided. I believe that life is completely meaningless and when we die we cease to exist and this thought brings me comfort. My point of view is that the inevitability of suffering in life means that choosing not to exist is the more rational option.

 

[Felix007]

i dont have a problem with suffering per se, its ok if there are problems in one area, but it becomes a problem when there are problems in virtually all areas of life (relationships, job, etc), then its just too much.... thats the point im at right now, im done..

 

[GasMonkey]

Nice pro-lifer post.
Shouldn't this be in the Recovery section?

 

[SarRy]

I disagree. If there is a meaning to life, then it is for life to be lived to its end. Life is pain, pleasure, triumph, hardship, defeat. Even dying is a part of life. If there is a point, then it's only that a person experience what life is. Life just is. I don't know why people have to put a story to it. This isn't a hero's journey. We're here to be alive until we're not.

 

[Pluto]

Learning how to suffer serves us in this life and whatever comes after.

Of course, this 'proving ground' theory is just another idea, even if I personally think there's some truth to it. But in the context of right-to-die discourse, it assumes that all adversity and all situations are workable. They are not. At what point is euthanasia 'OK'? At the age of 90? At the age of 50? Never?

There is merit to view ourselves not only as individuals but as parts of a macroscopic human society and global ecosystem. Even this argument can be unconvincing, however. Because humanity is an overwhelmingly net negative on the natural environment, one would want to be in a position to be helping others meaningfully or making positive change at a reasonable scale, or at least enjoying some quality of life, to rationalise pushing on when suffering is so present. When there is a descent into total despair at all of these levels - and some of us wouldn't even be missed by anyone - there can be no rational reason to push on.

 

[DragonSlayer]

Hard disagree. If there is something we could call a purpose to life, it's to rid the world of suffering. Not embrace it.

 

[Mashedout]

If you see suffering as a positive thing then that's your opinion, as humans we are all different and believe in different things, but to me all suffering is unnecessary, there is no value to having to suffer, I see suffering as something to be avoided. I believe that life is completely meaningless and when we die we cease to exist and this thought brings me comfort. My point of view is that the inevitability of suffering in life means that choosing not to exist is the more rational option.

It doesn't matter what you believe, the objective truth is we don't know what's going on here as I've already explained. In that scenario of uncertainty we hope for the best but prepare for the worst. You could very easily be wrong thinking you can run away from suffering and pay a price for that roll of the dice.

i dont have a problem with suffering per se, its ok if there are problems in one area, but it becomes a problem when there are problems in virtually all areas of life (relationships, job, etc), then its just too much.... thats the point im at right now, im done..

This is the part where learning how to suffer correctly comes into play. There hasn't been a single day in the last 4000 days I haven't thought of killing myself and wished to die in my sleep, where I talked to the universe asking not to wake up tomorrow. That is the bottom of the human experience, to throw away any good to be rid of the bad. And I could continue to do this for another day, week, month, year, decade, century, millenia, eon, relentlessly. When you learn how to suffer and walk through Hell with a smile, it loses its power and you regain it.

Hard disagree. If there is something we could call a purpose to life, it's to rid the world of suffering. Not embrace it.

Suffering will always exist as long as conciousness does, its inherent to it. Pleasure and suffering are just words to describe what you want to be happening and what you don't want to be.

I disagree. If there is a meaning to life, then it is for life to be lived to its end. Life is pain, pleasure, triumph, hardship, defeat. Even dying is a part of life. If there is a point, then it's only that a person experience what life is. Life just is. I don't know why people have to put a story to it. This isn't a hero's journey. We're here to be alive until we're not.

Again, you have no idea what is actually happening here. I'm simply talking about preparing for the worst and hoping for the best.

Nice pro-lifer post.
Shouldn't this be in the Recovery section?

I'm not pro life. If I had the ability I would exterminate all life in existence, but that is out of my control. This is about what is in our control.

 

[Darkover]

evolution is real big bang theory is real there's no great mystery to be solved except how did this all real start how does something as big as the universe come into being we know the universe came into existance from a single point of a massive explosion but that doesn't explain where all this stuff came from, assuming there is a start point to all of this then how does something come into existence from nothing, for all we know life is a one time thing but maybe more than thats something nobody knows for certain what comes after death only that you die and you cease to exist without a doubt you are a machine made up of atoms, cell biology is a bunch of cells examining another bunch of cells to try and figure out the inner workings. anyway whats the point of living a life full of suffering so you can be better prepared for your next life when life itself is a fresh start nothing of you remains from past lives everything you've learned is destoryed at the moment of your death, so it would be pointless to strengthen ourselves by taking on as much suffering as we can handle.

 

[freedompass]

This seems a bleak and arguably masochistic view. To me, suffering is in no way ennobling. I see nothing to recommend it, at all. No one would sign up for this plus possible future lives on the basis you imply. You think it's like some kind of marathon or personal challenge whereby you learn to endure more pain? If it helps you, fine, I doubt it will catch on any time soon.

 

[Darkover]

I'm not pro life. If I had the ability I would exterminate all life in existence, but that is out of my control. This is about what is in our control.

ive got money on someone being in a position of power thats kills everyone alive from a biological weapon a virus if you will
why because with the ever increasing technology advancement enables us to destory all life on the earth

 

[locked*n*loaded]

This is about what is in our control.

And ending my despair, torment, and suffering IS in my control.

WHAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO WALK IN SOMEONE ELSES SHOES. Now, take your pro-life propaganda somewhere else.

 

[Mashedout]

ive got money on someone being in a position of power thats kills everyone alive from a biological weapon a virus if you will
why because with the ever increasing technology advancement enables us to destory all life on the earth

There are more worlds in this reality than there are grains of sand on this one. We have one example of life, others may exist that aren't even carbon based and are immune to viruses. I'm talking more about the big picture of life.

And ending my despair, torment, and suffering IS in my control.

WHAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO WALK IN SOMEONE ELSES SHOES. Now, take your pro-life propaganda somewhere else.

What makes you think death will stop that? There is no certainty of it. For all you know it will just make it worse.

I don't have to walk in someone else's shoes, I've been at the bottom of this experience for many thousands of days in a row and that's as bad as it gets. Again, I'm not pro life. Read the rest of the thread.

This seems a bleak and arguably masochistic view. To me, suffering is in no way ennobling. I see nothing to recommend it, at all. No one would sign up for this plus possible future lives on the basis you imply. You think it's like some kind of marathon or personal challenge whereby you learn to endure more pain? If it helps you, fine, I doubt it will catch on any time soon.

All success in this life is done through suffering, doing things you don't want to do. This isn't some radical concept. I'm simply extending it to as big of a picture as possible.

 

[Darkover]

There are more worlds in this reality than there are grains of sand on this one. We have one example of life, others may exist that aren't even carbon based and are immune to viruses. I'm talking more about the big picture of life.

you make a good point With 400 billion Milky Way stars, we estimate they contain 1-to-10 trillion orbiting planets each, Our universe has existed for nearly 14 billion years, so where is all the life, i think most technologically advanced civilization wipe themselves out like i said someone will be in the position of power to destroy all life on this earth, the earth is 4.543 billion years, life formed about 3.7 billion years ago, the universe expand faster than light it takes to travel from end of the universe to the other end, The end of the known universe: 225,000,000,000,000 years (that's 225 trillion) years at the speed of light

so you are saying you can be born anywhere in the unverise at any time then, being the best you in this life, is of no help for the next life, as its a fresh start

 

[eldiablo666]

is to suffer. Through suffering we grow, we elevate to a higher version of ourselves if we are present in that process. Just as the child grows into the adult, the adult can grow into the higher version of themselves. The child is broken by things that the adult just shrugs off. The higher self can respond a similar way to the things that broke the past adult version of themselves.

Ultimately no one knows what is going on here. FUCK WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW. You don't know shit. The origin of conciousness, the full picture of reality, our place in it, what happens upon death. All anyone has to offer to these important issues is guesses and stories. We know nothing. Just as you were forced to participate here you could be forced to participate somewhere else after. So in a terrible situation such as this the only sensible course of action is to strengthen ourselves to become the best version that we can be. The one who can deal with the most amount of adversity. This is done through suffering, not pleasure seeking. Pain and pleasure will exist in any space where conciousness exists, here, there, anywhere. You need no system to deal with pleasure, it's effortless. You do need a system to deal with suffering though. Look around at the world, so many aren't learning how to suffer correctly. The food addicts, the drug addicts, the sex addicts, the fame whores, the materialists, the ragers, near endless consumption. They're pleasure seeking, running away from suffering and getting stuck in loops. Desire, regret, desire, regret, desire, regret, round and round they go. Your purpose is to suffer and elevate, level up. When you stray away from that and pleasure seek, you regress. When you stay on purpose, you progress. It's quite simple actually. Once you understand this then it's all about exerting energy and implementing a process to stay on purpose. Problems never stop, desire never stops pulling at you, ever. That's why the process to reject it is so important.

Learning how to suffer serves us in this life and whatever comes after. If you're forced to run a marathon and you chose desire all day, sitting on the couch guzzling beers and gorging on cheetos; you're going to be shattered by that adversity. The person who sought out adveristy and made it their purpose, isn't. "A marathon, meh I do those all the time."

Sorry what? You explicitly tell us nobody knows shit but even then you have the guts to tell us to prepare and become our best version ?

That doesn't make any sense!

Okey so I become my best self but then when I die I'm dead for eternity. Then I just wasted energy into nothing.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Learning how to suffer serves us in this life and whatever comes after.

Through suffering we grow, we elevate to a higher version of ourselves if we are present in that process. The higher self can respond a similar way to the things that broke the past adult version of themselves.

Just as you were forced to participate here you could be forced to participate somewhere else after. So in a terrible situation such as this the only sensible course of action is to strengthen ourselves to become the best version that we can be.

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Ultimately no one knows what is going on here. FUCK WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW. You don't know shit. The origin of conciousness, the full picture of reality, our place in it, what happens upon death. All anyone has to offer to these important issues is guesses and stories. We know nothing.

Hmm.

I think it sounds like a great attitude, though. I sometimes remind myself that I'm here voluntarily, and that it's "badass"/"hardcore" to have a shitty life. Can't get strong without heavy weights type of thing.

 

[dead lightbulb]

is to suffer. Through suffering we grow, we elevate to a higher version of ourselves if we are present in that process. Just as the child grows into the adult, the adult can grow into the higher version of themselves. The child is broken by things that the adult just shrugs off. The higher self can respond a similar way to the things that broke the past adult version of themselves.

But then.... what is the goal of suffering? You say through suffering humans grow and elevate to higher version's of themselves.
But why exactly would one have to grow or "elevate" in the first place?

I feel like this is rhetoric imbedded in lot's of things that pertain to "survival and growth in the face of adversary". Super heroes battling super villains. Motivational TV programs for weight loss. That suffering is just part of the human condition, and there's no way to prevent it except for personal improvement and facing your problems head on.

But for one, no one decides what struggles life will throw at them. Attributes they are born with and have no control over. People with disabilities don't get to choose whether or not they can grow or "elevate" when suffering through their disability in an able bodied world.

For two, suffering isn't exclusively the individual's issue. Today's society and the centuries old systems that allow it to run the way it does should be recognized as the root cause of billions of humans "individual" sufferings. I'm not here to compare different systems and ideaolgies but you might wanna research the relationship between colonialism and capitalism.

And lastly, many of us have been successfully sold the lie that the world is simply the way it is and can't be molded into any other shape. But there is ample opportunity to create a fair (er) earth. I mean, imagine how much better the human condition would be if we got rid of systemic and structural prejudices? The historical effects of the enslavement and dehumanization of a whole continent of people? The domination of the male sex? Or how about our value as individuals being placed on how much we contribute to society? There are an almost countless number of factors throughout history that are a direct cause of many persons suffering, not just the fact that we exist and are conscious. It would be ignorant to think otherwise.

 

[Pluto]

You think it's like some kind of marathon or personal challenge whereby you learn to endure more pain?

 

[GasMonkey]

I'm not pro life

If you are not a pro-lifer why do you say that we must "strengthen ourselves" and "learn how to suffer" instead of CTBing? coz that's literally what pro-lifers tell to people who want to CTB.

 

[Efilismislife]

If you are not a pro-lifer why do you say that we must "strengthen ourselves" and "learn how to suffer" instead of CTBing? coz that's literally what pro-lifers tell to people who want to CTB.

Or a sadomasochist

is to suffer. Through suffering we grow, we elevate

The one who can deal with the most amount of adversity. This is done through suffering, not pleasure seeking.

They're pleasure seeking, running away from suffering and getting stuck in loops.

Your purpose is to suffer and elevate, level up. When you stray away from that and pleasure seek, you regress. When you stay on purpose, you progress. Problems never stop, desire never stops pulling at you, ever.

Learning how to suffer serves us in this life and whatever comes after.

 

[makethepainstop]

If enough stressors are present to any organism, that organism will eventually die. Just the way it is.

 

[peacetoall]

I just want to point out that you contradict yourself when you say that "ultimately no one knows what is going on here" and then you try to convince us all that suffering is the purpose of human life.

I think there is value in suffering...of course one cannot know happiness without suffering...but I think there is a happy medium as in all things. When I have more time maybe I will chime in more on my thoughts on suffering

 

[Mashedout]

If you are not a pro-lifer why do you say that we must "strengthen ourselves" and "learn how to suffer" instead of CTBing? coz that's literally what pro-lifers tell to people who want to CTB.

Because this is about preparing for what comes after, the big picture. If you're just CTB to run away from pain like so many openly admit here you could be making a massive mistake, it's a narrow view. If you've prepared yourself to such a degree that you don't even need to die anymore, but have simply learned all there is to learn here then that's a different situation.

I just want to point out that you contradict yourself when you say that "ultimately no one knows what is going on here" and then you try to convince us all that suffering is the purpose of human life.

I think there is value in suffering...of course one cannot know happiness without suffering...but I think there is a happy medium as in all things. When I have more time maybe I will chime in more on my thoughts on suffering

That isn't a contradiction. Within the context of what we do know at this moment that is our purpose as it is the best path towards dealing with all the many negative potential possibilities we are aware of. Now if some higher power comes down tomorrow and explains how everything works then that would of course change, but that hasn't happened yet so we control what we can control; ourselves.

Or a sadomasochist

I am not that. If I actually had a choice I would kick my feet up and relax my whole life. Being ripped out of the void into this shitshow is not enjoyable. This whole thing should've been 100 years of paradise, but it wasn't. Only option now is to adapt. Anything else just makes it worse.

so you are saying you can be born anywhere in the unverise at any time then, being the best you in this life, is of no help for the next life, as its a fresh start

I'm saying we don't know what is going on here anymore than your ancestor worshipping some rain god hoping for a good harvest. We're not anywhere close to complete knowledge. Prepare for the unknowns, it's the only course of action that makes sense for someone who doesn't just want to roll the dice and hope their story is correct.

Sorry what? You explicitly tell us nobody knows shit but even then you have the guts to tell us to prepare and become our best version ?

That doesn't make any sense!

Okey so I become my best self but then when I die I'm dead for eternity. Then I just wasted energy into nothing.

If that is the scenario that unfolds, you didn't waste anything because nothing matters. All actions are the same.

 

[GasMonkey]

Because this is about preparing for what comes after, the big picture. If you're just CTB to run away from pain like so many openly admit here you could be making a massive mistake, it's a narrow view.

Only option now is to adapt.

Thanks for confirming that you are a pro-lifer, no more clarifications needed.

 

[Unhirable]

Purpose of human life. very easy question to answer.

Women: Reproduce
Men: Work hard and build communities/families. 50% will not reproduce and die as failures (in nature's eyes).

 

[Darkover]

I'm saying we don't know what is going on here anymore than your ancestor worshipping some rain god hoping for a good harvest. We're not anywhere close to complete knowledge. Prepare for the unknowns, it's the only course of action that makes sense for someone who doesn't just want to roll the dice and hope their story is correct.

well it one of two things of which when you die you cease to exist for all time or rebirth, there's obviously no progression between lives and being born is random chance no karma

 

[eldiablo666]

Purpose of human life. very easy question to answer.

Women: Reproduce
Men: Work hard and build communities/families. 50% will not reproduce and die as failures (in nature's eyes).

I like the emphasis on hard. It's the typical brainwashing mk ultra agenda is teaching the sheep.

Who the f really cares about working hard?
Isn't working enough? Yeah it is.
Except mk ultra government want to ingrain as much fear in the human populus as friggin possible .

 

[CTB Dream]

Sorry nit purpose not anything what mean vegetables not even recogniz thing what mean Stat pain mean nothing all sufferwhat get even good very temp. Suffer need erase not still get ,tell vegetable ook tell all war ok terror torture all horrible, what big pic all nonsense human human keep say nonsense keep reprofuce keel stay live this all species all awful think. Cruel species torture thrn try justify suffer, put one minute intense sugfering just try say fk life fk meaning

 

[chloramine]

Suffering is inevitable to some degree and it isn't necessarily evil (although evil things often cause suffering), but that doesn't mean we need to seek it out or glorify it. People with stable homes and support systems are far more likely to be able to cope than people without. Piling on until things collapse over and over again doesn't build strength. Humans have limits and that's okay. I would much rather lessen the suffering in the world than dismiss the very real pain that's already here.