The Official 2020 Everything But The Kitchen Sink Post

[Squiddy]

YAY but, why playing games? I mean, it's not like you had a choice in that....and that's one massive leap

I tried to tell her the difference between passive and active suicidal, but she wouldn't listen and doesn't care

 

[Backwood_tilt]

Wow, that's a relief. I was just reading back and saw that you might've been committed for 5 days. Glad you got out way ahead of schedule.

 

[departing]

I tried to tell her the difference between passive and active suicidal, but she wouldn't listen and doesn't care

There's a HUGE difference. Perhaps she'll listen later.

 

[Squiddy]

There's a HUGE difference. Perhaps she'll listen later.

Possibly, but I doubt it. She seemed really upset

 

[BlueWidow]

Phone is about to die, but I'm being released. My mom is pissed though and thinks I'm playing games with the hospital and stated that she's afraid of me thinking I'm gonna murder someone in the family and then kill myself which is completely ridiculous.

I'm so happy to hear you're being released! I'm sorry your mother is so upset, but I'm so happy that you're being released!

 

[Carina]

Possibly, but I doubt it. She seemed really upset

Sorry :(

I swear people hear 'suicidal' and people jump to the worst and don't realize that there's degrees. They don't even realize that they themselves might even be considered 'suicidal' to an extent given things, even though 'they' don't consider themselves to be....

 

[Backwood_tilt]

I tried to tell her the difference between passive and active suicidal, but she wouldn't listen and doesn't care

That sucks :(

 

[departing]

I'm so happy to hear you're being released! I'm sorry your mother is so upset, but I'm so happy that you're being released!

Hopefully, there was a review process of some sort and they realized there was no imminent risk.

Sorry :(

I swear people hear 'suicidal' and people jump to the worst and don't realize that there's degrees. They don't even realize that they themselves might even be considered 'suicidal' to an extent given things, even though 'they' don't consider themselves to be....

Suicide is often treated like a light switch... You're either suicidal or you're not. There are minimal shades of gray in-between.

 

[BlueWidow]

Sorry :(

I swear people hear 'suicidal' and people jump to the worst and don't realize that there's degrees. They don't even realize that they themselves might even be considered 'suicidal' to an extent given things, even though 'they' don't consider themselves to be....

It's always just a knee-jerk reaction. And they always take the most extreme action that they can not caring that the action they're taking is probably making the person even more suicidal. The whole thing is ridiculous. I would've thought by now they would've changed this model instead of still doing the same crap they were doing when I was a teenager back in the 1980s! It didn't work then and it doesn't work now! All it does is teach you to not be honest with people, and to eventually just not even bother seeking treatment at all. That's exactly what happened to me!

 

[Carina]

It's always just a knee-jerk reaction. And they always take the most extreme action that they can not caring that the action they're taking is probably making the person even more suicidal. The whole thing is ridiculous. I would've thought by now they would've changed this model instead of still doing the same crap they were doing when I was a teenager back in the 1980s! It didn't work then and it doesn't work now! All it does is teach you to not be honest with people, and to eventually just not even bother seeking treatment at all. That's exactly what happened to me!

yeah... it's just all annoying... but you'd think her mother would've been nicer :(

 

[Squiddy]

Hopefully, there was a review process of some sort and they realized there was no imminent risk.


Suicide is often treated like a light switch... You're either suicidal or you're not. There are minimal shades of gray in-between.

That's how my mom is. She just thinks suicidal or not

 

[Backwood_tilt]

I recently saw a study that 60% of people who had thought about planning their suicides lied directly to mental health professionals about it, knowing full well the consequences that would come with it.

I've done it several times this month. There's not a whole lot you need to consider when the options are unbridled freedom or being committed involuntarily to a psych ward.

 

[departing]

It's always just a knee-jerk reaction. And they always take the most extreme action that they can not caring that the action they're taking is probably making the person even more suicidal. The whole thing is ridiculous. I would've thought by now they would've changed this model instead of still doing the same crap they were doing when I was a teenager back in the 1980s! It didn't work then and it doesn't work now! All it does is teach you to not be honest with people, and to eventually just not even bother seeking treatment at all. That's exactly what happened to me!

The psych treatment I receive now mirrors the treatment that I received in the 80s. There haven't been many changes.

 

[Backwood_tilt]

That's how my mom is. She just thinks suicidal or not

Can you call a nurse or someone and ask if they would try and explain the difference to your mother? Do you think that might help?

 

[BlueWidow]

Hopefully, there was a review process of some sort and they realized there was no imminent risk.

It would've been better if they were afraid she could sue them for violating her rights. If people could sue these hospitals for forcibly putting them in the hospital when they didn't need to be there, all that crap would stop really fast! That's the only good thing about insurance companies not wanting to pay for stuff anymore. I would think nowadays if someone put me in a hospital against my will I could just call the insurance company up and tell them that I was in there when I didn't need to be and hopefully they would do an assessment and realize that they were paying for something that was a waste and they would withdraw the payment.

The psych treatment I receive now mirrors the treatment that I received in the 80s. There haven't been many changes.

I'm not surprised at all. I'm shocked they're not doing cold showers and lobotomies still!

 

[departing]

Can you call a nurse or someone and ask if they would try and explain the difference to your mother? Do you think that might help?

This sounds like a good idea. Let her speak with a professional and have it explained to her. It couldn't hurt.

 

[BlueWidow]

yeah... it's just all annoying... but you'd think her mother would've been nicer :(

Well, that's the other thing about it. Having a mental illness is the only time that people get mad at you for being sick. I don't see people getting mad at heart patients for being sick!

 

[departing]

It would've been better if they were afraid she could sue them for violating her rights. If people could sue these hospitals for forcibly putting them in the hospital when they didn't need to be there, all that crap would stop really fast! That's the only good thing about insurance companies not wanting to pay for stuff anymore. I would think nowadays if someone put me in a hospital against my will I could just call the insurance company up and tell them that I was in there when I didn't need to be and hopefully they would do an assessment and realize that they were paying for something that was a waste and they would withdraw the payment.

I'm not surprised at all. I'm shocked they're not doing cold showers and lobotomies still!

Regardless of payment, state law applies. If you've been committed in accordance with the law, you're staying there... regardless of whether the insurance company is paying. No hospital wants legal liability of releasing someone who then runs off and kills themselves. At the end of the day, you're liable for the hospital charges anyway.

 

[Squiddy]

Can you call a nurse or someone and ask if they would try and explain the difference to your mother? Do you think that might help?

I could ask my nurse possibly

 

[Carina]

It would've been better if they were afraid she could sue them for violating her rights. If people could sue these hospitals for forcibly putting them in the hospital when they didn't need to be there, all that crap would stop really fast! That's the only good thing about insurance companies not wanting to pay for stuff anymore. I would think nowadays if someone put me in a hospital against my will I could just call the insurance company up and tell them that I was in there when I didn't need to be and hopefully they would do an assessment and realize that they were paying for something that was a waste and they would withdraw the payment.

I'm not surprised at all. I'm shocked they're not doing cold showers and lobotomies still!

Are we really sure they're not doing lobotomies? I mean with advancements... pills are different... machines are different... maybe they are just in ways we don't really know what they're doing, and just make it sound pleasant so we volunteer for it, and get our friends to sign up for it...

and holy crap I just had a bad thought of someone I know going in for a "new experimental treatment that cures depression" that "feels like a hammer to a skull".... but I'm sure that's not what it is... ok going to start doubting myself... just going to end it here.

 

[departing]

Well, that's the other thing about it. Having a mental illness is the only time that people get mad at you for being sick. I don't see people getting mad at heart patients for being sick!

It's because mental illness is invisible. You can't see it, touch it, or feel it. A broken leg? A heart defect? A bee sting? You can see that stuff and it's easier to be empathetic.

 

[BlueWidow]

That's how my mom is. She just thinks suicidal or not

I would say that being depressed and suicidal are spectrum disorders, like autism. There are lots of variations. There aren't just two states: as in suicidal or not suicidal. There are all sorts of variations and nuances in there in between those two states. But people always overreact when you say "suicide" and do the most extreme thing possible. And it doesn't help anybody, most of all the suicidal person.

 

[departing]

I could ask my nurse possibly

It might (hopefully) help... at least a little bit.

 

[Backwood_tilt]

I could ask my nurse possibly

Do you feel comfortable bringing it up? I can understand why you might not, especially if you don't think it will make a difference.

 

[Squiddy]

It might (hopefully) help... at least a little bit.

The question is if she'll listen

Do you feel comfortable bringing it up? I can understand why you might not, especially if you don't think it will make a difference.

I don't think it'll make a difference

 

[BlueWidow]

Regardless of payment, state law applies. If you've been committed in accordance with the law, you're staying there... regardless of whether the insurance company is paying. No hospital wants legal liability of releasing someone who then runs off and kills themselves. At the end of the day, you're liable for the hospital charges anyway.

Exactly, it's a big racket they can run and they can do it legally. I don't know if you read my other story that's floating around here, but I got forcibly committed to a hospital just for going to a nurse and telling her I was tired and needed more thyroid medicine. She called the police and lied to them and said that I had said I was suicidal and that my husband was abusing me, which was all total bullshit. Then I was forcibly taken in handcuffs to the hospital and held there for 2 1/2 days. They finally realized there was nothing wrong with me (except a low thyroid as I had told them) and released me and then I got a $6,000 bill. Quite a nice little racket they've got going there I'd say. I don't think Al Capone could do any better.

 

[departing]

Exactly, it's a big racket they can run and they can do it legally. I don't know if you read my other story that's floating around here, but I got forcibly committed to a hospital just for going to a nurse and telling her I was tired and needed more thyroid medicine. She called the police and lied to them and said that I had said I was suicidal and that my husband was abusing me, which was all total bullshit. Then I was forcibly taken in handcuffs to the hospital and held there for 2 1/2 days. They finally realized there was nothing wrong with me (except a low thyroid as I had told them) and released me and then I got a $6,000 bill. Quite a nice little racket they've got going there I'd say. I don't think Al Capone could do any better.

That's INSANE. What stopped you from lawyering up and taking them to court? You could have taught them an expensive lesson in patient management. Handcuffs? You would have owned the hospital and it would have had your name on it.

 

[Squiddy]

I just hope I don't get an ER bill

 

[departing]

I just hope I don't get an ER bill

I hate to say it, but somebody will probably bill you for the time you spent there, for the people you spoke with, etc. I hope not but I've known hospitals that billed for every little thing. Perhaps you'll luck out.

 

[BlueWidow]

That's INSANE. What stopped you from lawyering up and taking them to court? You could have taught them an expensive lesson in patient management. Handcuffs? You would have owned the hospital and it would have had your name on it.

Yes, I probably would've gone ahead with a lawsuit, but one of my husband's friends talked him out of it, saying that if we filed a lawsuit we would be keeping this horrific experience in the forefront of our lives and have to relive it over and over. She basically talked him out of it. It's too bad too because I could've certainly used the money right now, and both of us went through hell.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/baker-acted-long-rant.23723/

If you're interested, you can read my detailed account of it here. It's pretty long though. I think part of it is that my husband was just so devastated that he didn't want to have to continue thinking about it and dealing with it.