The Lindsay Clancy case

[telekon]

Lindsay Clancy is 100% criminally responsible but I hope this case sheds some light on the psychiatric system, and how psychiatric drugs can be a slippery slope. She started with Zoloft which then evolved her insomnia symptoms, which led her to having anxiety which led her to benzodiazepines, which eventually led to quetiapine: an extremely serious antipsychotic that can cause homicidal thoughts.

This system is an absolute horror-show. It's so serious and so scary that nobody wants to touch it with a 10-foot pole.

To abbreviate, innocent people experiencing suicidal thoughts are being kidnapped by police and having their lives stolen with requirements to be injected with heroic doses of mind-numbing agents, then are gaslit about their side effects and left with a hospital bill upwards of $10,000. This is happening by the thousands in our country, and the people who are not "in the system" do not care, because they aren't seeing it from the perspective of the patient. They believe that the patient is mentally ill and deserves whatever horrors they're enduring, but that's not true. Some of the stories that I've heard while interviewing psychiatric patients are things I would not wish on my worst enemy.

Quetiapine and antipsychotics especially are extremely serious, and they are being prescribed off-label for neurotic illnesses, or only mild psychotic symptoms that could have been handled better with wellness strategies. These drugs will only make you crazier than you already were. The research is finally starting to come out that most of these will make you violent, make you want to kill yourself, and possibly make you kill other people.

What Clancy did was absolutely unforgivable and horrendous, but the psychiatric system is also incomprehensibly evil, and she was a victim of that.

A toxic mixture of antipsychotics, antidepressants, and benzodiazepines, all building up inside your brain, which is what Lindsay Clancy was experiencing prior to the murders of her 3 children, is not and will never be a cure for mental disease. Her brain was extremely affected by these chemicals… I think this is a very simple concept to understand. There should be a movement to take Abilify, Zoloft, Prozac, Haldol, Invega Sustenna off the map because they're band-aid solutions for catastrophic outcomes. Robust nutrition combined with other health and wellness strategies trump medications every time, and these options should at least be exhausted before the prescription of any psychiatric medication.

 

[jdogg60]

Psychiatry is really such a shit show. With all the technology we have you'de think they could do brain/nervous system scans to actually figure out whats going on and what treatment will help. Instead, these 'Doctors' just listen to you spout off a bunch of symptoms and prescribe you with something you could've figured out yourself using google.

 

[fadedghost]

Lindsay Clancy is 100% criminally responsible but I hope this case sheds some light on the psychiatric system, and how psychiatric drugs can be a slippery slope. She started with Zoloft which then evolved her insomnia symptoms, which led her to having anxiety which led her to benzodiazepines, which eventually led to quetiapine: an extremely serious antipsychotic that can cause homicidal thoughts.

I believe she had adult onset schizophrenia. If she was in something called the prodromal phase, it would explain sudden problems sleeping, sudden anxiety, etc.

She also googled "What does seeing a lady bug mean?" before she killed her children. So... that's something called an "idea of reference." If someone goes "The TV is showing static, and therefore it means I need to bring a coat with me" or "I saw a stray cat and that means I may have problems with people around me," that's called "ideas of reference" and it's specific to schizophirenia, not bipolar disorder, probably not a random psychotic disorder.

What happened is her doctors missed that she was prodromal, prescribed a bunch of crap that didn't treat anything she had, and then prescribed super low doses of quietiepine that aren't enough to treat schizphrenia.

I don't have proof, but this is what I believe. Ideas of reference are very, very specific to schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. It's like someone having a "butterfly rash" on their face with Lupus.

The problem was she was so organized, and nice, and likable that it was super easy for doctors to miss that she was prodromal for schizophrenia. Her doctors massively fucked up. I agree with you that most people shouldn't be taking all these awful medications, but... she was schizophrenic possibly and may have done better on large doses of anti-psychotics.

When someone is of average intelligence, and poor, and doesn't have support, it's easier to see because the deterioration is more visible, more noticeable

I feel so bad for her. This idea of criminal responsibility versus no responsibility presumes free will, when humans are follow the same laws of physics and no one has any choice in anything, people just do stuff. There's no evidence that biology isn't deterministic and so ironically these are false dichotomies and unscientific ways to view things.

 

[roborabbit]

Ideas of reference are absolutely not only seen in schizophrenia or schizoaffective. They are very commonly seen in bipolar psychosis

 

[Playingwiththedead]

I have been misdiagnosed a million times, failed by every therapist and psychiatrist i have ever seen, and been sent to the psych ward several times where i was forced to take medication for illnesses i dont have, while being gaslit about what it is i actually have. I have CPTSD. I have been diagnosed with bipolar 2, bpd, "transsexualism" (that one was nice), general anxiety, major depressive, just about everything in the book except the disorder that would cover ALL of that.

By therapists and psychiatrists, for exhibiting symptoms of my disorder, i have had my abuser be praised and validated in front of me countless times, have been diagnosed with several things based on my abusers words ALONE, have had a therapist go behind my back and tell the abuser supposedly confidential things, have been told i was "just having a temper tantrum" when i had a panic attack as a result of one of my intrusive thoughts being realized, was yelled at by 2 separate psychiatrists, one on every single visit until i stopped going to her, both for originally not being able to complete school and now for not being able to get/ hold a job as a result of my disorder, and there are probably worse things my brain is currently blocking out.

I will never trust a therapist or a psychiatrist and i would literally rather die as a result of what i have than follow their advice.

 

[UserFromNowhere]

Quetiapine and antipsychotics especially are extremely serious, and they are being prescribed off-label for neurotic illnesses, or only mild psychotic symptoms that could have been handled better with wellness strategies.

Quetiapine is prescribed off-label for simple sleep issues as well when there's better and more effective medications that were researched and developed for the specific purposes of sleep issues. And if you don't benefit from the standard dose, they just take that as a reason to increase and increase it, and when you try to get yourself off it you have to wean yourself off it or you deal with horrendous insomnia (at least, in my case). I don't think it's necessarily the worst thing in the world to do, it did help me for a time, but I don't think it should be a first-line treatment as many psychiatrists use it for either.

 

[fadedghost]

Ideas of reference are absolutely not only seen in schizophrenia or schizoaffective. They are very commonly seen in bipolar psychosis

Spoiler: study

I looked this up and I suppose you are technically right, but it's much more common in schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorders. Importantly, Lindsay Clancey didn't seem manic before or after she killed her children. But you're probably correct in that I made a claim that was broader than the evidence warranted and is technically incorrect.

 

[isthisit?]

This isnt like 1 psychiatrist gave her all these drugs. Clancy went to different psychologists with different problems and told none of them that she was already taking something.