The irony

[nihilistic_dragon]

Anybody else thinks it's so ironic that governments be like - war? Totally cool, we'll send a ton of soldiers to war and slaughter a ton of civilians in the meantime too!

But when it comes down to cbt or even abortion they're like - oMG All liFE is SaCReD, can't let people do that!

 

[Rational man]

I recognize the narrative of global governments in pushing their agenda. We, the little people are waking up to reality which before the advent of the internet, was not widely understood as it is becoming now. Another analogy would be here in the UK. Thousands of people die needlessly in the NHS, people who wanted to live but died due to a failing system. And yet i here nothing but platitudes surrounding the sanctity of life from various institutions, even when people like me are in constant physical pain. You see its about control. This is the narrative that to me, governments are struggling to maintain.

 

[RoadToGehenna]

I think that no functioning country can really view suicide in a "positive" light because it would crumble quickly and it's understandable. At the end of the day, the system tries to maintain itself and you dying by your own will is not good for this purpose. In general, at least where I live, it is NOT talked about in the media. They say it is because of the "call effect" and whatnot but the reality is that adressing it would be admitting defeat. We are bombarded with useless and diverse issues while the first cause of death for young people in "civilised" countries is suicide. Makes you wonder..

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

I recognize the narrative of global governments in pushing their agenda. We, the little people are waking up to reality which before the advent of the internet, was not widely understood as it is becoming now. Another analogy would be here in the UK. Thousands of people die needlessly in the NHS, people who wanted to live but died due to a failing system. And yet i here nothing but platitudes surrounding the sanctity of life from various institutions, even when people like me are in constant physical pain. You see its about control. This is the narrative that to me, governments are struggling to maintain.

Oh for sure. And to be honest, the reason someone wants to ctb shouldn't even matter in my opinion. It is their personal life, their decision, and therefore absolutely none of anybody's business, especially not the government's. I guess humanity as a whole got themselves into this when "we" agreed to form communities and be led by someone. It may be nice not to worry as much about someone repeatedly stealing the wheat you harvested and the linen fabric you made and getting away with it, but we sure do pay a hefty price for these "benefits". Today we live unnaturally long lives - sometimes I think I wouldn't mind trading all these modern commodities for a simple, quiet and SHORT life in the forest where nature controls things and people frequently get eaten by wild animals. There would be so much fewer stupid people to deal with lol.

I think that no functioning country can really view suicide in a "positive" light because it would crumble quickly and it's understandable. At the end of the day, the system tries to maintain itself and you dying by your own will is not good for this purpose. In general, at least where I live, it is NOT talked about in the media. They say it is because of the "call effect" and whatnot but the reality is that adressing it would be admitting defeat. We are bombarded with useless and diverse issues while the first cause of death for young people in "civilised" countries is suicide. Makes you wonder..

I think in a very distant future most countries will have extended euthanasia rights to everybody desiring. In a VERY distant future. Just look at the present-day euthanasia movement - it's quite unbelievable that several countries and US states are now okay with it. Sure, it is only available to the terminally ill but it is still a big step in the right direction. But I totally agree, it profits businesses very little to just let a lot of people exit. Although the coffin industry would prosper I suppose lol. Speaking of coffins, mushroom coffins are a pretty cool innovation!

 

[Rational man]

Oh for sure. And to be honest, the reason someone wants to ctb shouldn't even matter in my opinion. It is their personal life, their decision, and therefore absolutely none of anybody's business, especially not the government's. I guess humanity as a whole got themselves into this when "we" agreed to form communities and be led by someone. It may be nice not to worry as much about someone repeatedly stealing the wheat you harvested and the linen fabric you made and getting away with it, but we sure do pay a hefty price for these "benefits". Today we live unnaturally long lives - sometimes I think I wouldn't mind trading all these modern commodities for a simple, quiet and SHORT life in the forest where nature controls things and people frequently get eaten by wild animals. There would be so much fewer stupid people to deal with lol.

I think humanity is struggling to exist as a species. It feels like we are confronted with an existentialist crisis. The most concerning ones include wars but also the failing balance of nature's eco systems.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

I think humanity is struggling to exist as a species. It feels like we are confronted with an existentialist crisis. The most concerning ones include wars but also the failing balance of nature's eco systems.

Yes and now we also have the robots and the aliens to deal with haha.
Jokes aside, I can't wait to leave this shitty planet!

 

[Agon321]

War can bring benefits to the country/people ruling the country.

Suicide and euthanasia of a relatively healthy person is a waste of resources from the system's perspective.
A dead person does not create, buy, sell, or consume...

But I still wonder why euthanasia is a taboo subject.
We put pets to sleep when they suffer.
We try to keep people alive by force.
In my opinion, euthanasia of people who are practically immobilized by illness is a logical solution.
Every such person should have the right to die.

If we do not want to be guided by morality, why are we not guided by pragmatism?

I do not know what the financial issues look like, but it seems to me that maintaining a sick person is more expensive for the system than euthanizing such a person.
But I may be wrong, because I have gaps in my knowledge.

In the first place, I would allow euthanasia for people who are bedridden and suffering. Later we can think about people suffering from incurable diseases, but still functioning relatively normally.
I also have a controversial idea that every old person could euthanize themselves on request.

I understand why politicians avoid this topic, but why does society avoid it?
Do people really want to fight a losing battle and only increase their suffering?
It makes no sense to me.

Someone will say that doctors should always fight for life.
But for me it has nothing to do with humanitarianism.
Allowing euthanasia in hopeless cases is moral.
Saving resources is pragmatic.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

War can bring benefits to the country/people ruling the country.

Suicide and euthanasia of a relatively healthy person is a waste of resources from the system's perspective.
A dead person does not create, buy, sell, or consume...

But I still wonder why euthanasia is a taboo subject.
We put pets to sleep when they suffer.
We try to keep people alive by force.
In my opinion, euthanasia of people who are practically immobilized by illness is a logical solution.
Every such person should have the right to die.

If we do not want to be guided by morality, why are we not guided by pragmatism?

I do not know what the financial issues look like, but it seems to me that maintaining a sick person is more expensive for the system than euthanizing such a person.
But I may be wrong, because I have gaps in my knowledge.

In the first place, I would allow euthanasia for people who are bedridden and suffering. Later we can think about people suffering from incurable diseases, but still functioning relatively normally.
I also have a controversial idea that every old person could euthanize themselves on request.

I understand why politicians avoid this topic, but why does society avoid it?
Do people really want to fight a losing battle and only increase their suffering?
It makes no sense to me.

Someone will say that doctors should always fight for life.
But for me it has nothing to do with humanitarianism.
Allowing euthanasia in hopeless cases is moral.
Saving resources is pragmatic.

You make a lot of good points. I personally think euthanasia should be available to everyone, not just the ill people. Most people are committing slow suicide by the lifestyle they lead, so why deny people who want to do it fast?

As to why politicians and ordinary people avoid it, I think a lot of it has to do with religion. It's not the only reason, but it's just way too deeply engrained in our brains.

 

[SoulWhisperer]

Yuh, now that you make me think of it it's quite funny how the world can support wars that bring destruction but can't support a single person's wish to die.

 

[sserafim]

Governments only care about their citizens because they can force them to become wageslaves and make money off of them in the form of taxes and various other bills and costs. They don't give a shit about other countries' citizens because they can't be used or exploited. There's no money to be made off of them so they frankly don't care

 

[SilentSadness]

Those kinds of contradictions are really common, because you can't have an unfair country without selfish ideology somewhere in the system. Yes you are right, it makes no sense to be anti-suicide because "all life is sacred" and also support wars. Sadly a lot of people will do a lot of mental gymnastics to justify their views.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Governments only care about their citizens because they can force them to become wageslaves and make money off of them in the form of taxes and various other bills and costs. They don't give a shit about other countries' citizens because they can't be used or exploited. There's no money to be made off of them so they frankly don't care

Yes, if you die it's one less person paying taxes, medical bills, buying stuff. Now imagine a hundred people. They would go bankrupt lol.