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DoomCry

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Mar 5, 2025
129
The death of a child is often called "unnatural." But this idea comes from a deep human need: the need to believe that the universe has order, logic, a meaningful structure where everything happens as it should. It's a cultural consolation, not a truth.

In reality, there is no order. Nature has no morals. Life has no direction, no purpose. Things simply happen. A child can die before their parents not because something went wrong, but because there is no rule to prevent it. The idea that there's a natural sequence — first the old die, then the young — is a human invention, a desperate attempt to impose form on chaos.

But chaos doesn't conform. The universe is indifferent. Death does not choose, does not reason, does not follow a plan. You can't call something "unnatural" when nature itself is deaf, blind, and mute. When there is no design, no justice, no reason.


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Pain as a Fact, Not as an Exception

Losing a child is not more tragic than any other loss — if you let go of the illusion that life has meaning. It's just one of the infinite, cruel possibilities of chance. It is pain in its purest form, yes, but not because it's "unfair": simply because it is. Pain doesn't require explanation. It exists, like rocks, hunger, or death.

Those who seek comfort in the idea that "it wasn't supposed to happen" are clinging to a fragile, human-made narrative. In reality, nothing is supposed to happen in any particular way. Stars collapse, species vanish, children die. There's no violated logic. Only randomness, matter, and entropy.


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The Illusion of Meaning

Trying to find meaning in the death of a child — or in death itself — is like trying to find a message in lightning or in a falling stone. But there is no message. There is no messenger. The most honest — and most terrifying — truth is that everything happens in the void. We live in a world without direction, and every attempt to explain it is just an echo of our fear.

This doesn't take away the suffering. But it strips it of any justification. The death of a child isn't against nature. It is within nature. Or better: it is without nature. Like everything else.

And if nothing has meaning, then pain is no longer unjust. It is simply part of the nothingness we're suspended in. A shape of the void, taking form for a moment, before vanishing like everything else.
 
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Agon321

Agon321

I use google translate
Aug 21, 2023
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Yes and no.
Humans are animals like any other, and in the animal world it is not strange that parents protect their offspring at all costs, and it is normal for the young to replace the old.
This is one of the reasons why we humans perceive the death of children as something worse.

But of course our skills in abstract thinking allow us to conclude that life has no objective meaning. In the grand scheme of things it does not matter whether a child or an old person dies.
It matters "only" in our small world in which we live.
It is simply our animal instincts that dictate our behavior.

You could say that we look at the world through a filter that may not make sense, but is necessary in some situations.
If it were not for our natural concern for children, our species would be more likely to become extinct. This rule does not apply only to humans.

Of course I could be wrong, but that is how I see it.
 
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DoomCry

Student
Mar 5, 2025
129
You're right in saying that the human being is an animal, but the mistake lies in projecting anthropocentric constructs like "care" or "family" onto nature. Ethological data are clear: over 99.8% of animal species do not provide any form of assistance to their offspring after reproduction. The norm is abandonment: eggs laid and ignored, embryos expelled into soil or water, larvae scattered without protection. Parental care is a statistical anomaly, not a rule of life. Among the rare exceptions, prolonged assistance is observed only in certain species of birds, mammals, and fish, and even in those cases, it is a specific adaptive strategy, not a universal law. In most mammals, care is uniparental and tied to female physiology, while the role of the male is often absent or even harmful: infanticide by adult males is widely documented across species. The concept of "father" as an affectionate or cooperative figure has no universal biological basis, just as the idea of "family" is a social construct unique to humans, not a structure common in the animal kingdom. Empathy, where it exists, is a neurological by-product evolved for group cohesion in complex social species, not a value in itself. To attribute special significance to the death of a human child is a cultural act, not a scientific one. Natural selection does not reward justice, but reproductive efficiency; it does not protect life, but favors what replicates more effectively, without moral distinction. Dying young, dying old, living long or short lives are all possible configurations within a blind process governed by stochastic interactions of matter and energy. The idea that a child's death is "more tragic" stems from language, culture, and an emotional construct evolved to secure cohesion and protection in small human groups. But none of this exists in non-human nature. There is no violated logic, no broken justice, no natural cycle to uphold. There is only what happens, as it happens, when it happens. The universe is not cruel: it is indifferent. And indifference is more radical than any form of evil, because it doesn't even require intention.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
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It extends a stage further than this though- I believe. In a recent conversation with my Dad about my bleak financial future, he started to come up with options: Marry well. (It won't happen. I don't have the looks.) Demand more money at work. (A risky strategy- they could very well just drop me all together.) I gave him the obvious third option- I need to die young. It's highly likely I will anyway. My job has exposed me to all sorts of toxins.

But, that didn't go down well. I was pretty much warned: I musn't die before him. So- it's not just nature we have to contend with. It's a forced expectation to not put them through the grief of losing us- no matter what. Nevermind that we'll have to experience their deaths. Nevermind that we may detest our lives and suffer daily. I'm so bitter about it to be honest.

I'm actually not feeling too well at the moment. It could well just be down to my recent neglect of fitness and my body struggling to now cope with more demands again. Still, the hypocondriac, optimist in me thinks I'm dying. If I am, I hope I'll refuse treatment and tell my parents they will just need to accept that. Probably it won't work out like that though. It will probably drag on and on and wear me down till I feel forced to receive healthcare. That's the problem with natural disease and death- I don't think it often proceeds that quickly/ painlessly.
 
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