Method The Beach Ball Car method

[Oneness]

The method:

1. Buy 10 canisters of Argon gas. One canister holds about 2400 litres of Argon in my local store, so it would be a total of 24 000 litres. Aim for at least 24 000 litres of gas.
2. Buy 50 inflatable beach balls and fill them with air.
3. Park your SUV inside your garage.
4. Put the canisters inside your SUV, open the car doors, and open the gas valves to 15L/min. Total flow of gas is now 150L/min.
5. Quickly fill your car with inflatable beach balls to reduce the available air volume inside the car as much as possible.
6. Close the doors and windows and sit in the driver's seat. For the next 2h 30min the gas will flow and you will CTB peacefully.

Extras:

• I personally would take a dose of MDMA (150mg) 1 hour before opening the gas valves. I just find personally that MDMA puts me in a loving and accepting state and I would be more ready and fearless to face the unknown. I'm not an advocate for illegal drugs; MDMA is slowly becoming a legal treatment for PTSD globally. Other substances to consider would be alcohol, benzos etc.
• The hissing sound from the canisters will be annoying so get some earplugs and blast your favourite tunes from the car speakers.
• This method works for partners and groups too.

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The major downside is that this method is insanely expensive. Would love to hear your feedback.

 

[MourningDove]

Seems pretty convoluted, but I love the concept tbh. Something abt being found with a bunch of beach balls is interesting. If there's a will, there's a way lol

 

[ipmanwc0]

You should credit the ai for making this lol

 

[fishlover]

it would certaintly work but, the mental image of a corpse surrounded by beach balls is fucking hilarious

 

[Oneness]

it would certaintly work but, the mental image of a corpse surrounded by beach balls is fucking hilarious

Yeah, the rather grim scene might manage to elicit a faint sense of amusement from the police officers who stumble upon it

 

[losing hope]

Presumably there is no reason to combine this with either SN or Heroin overdose, to ensure no missing of that bus?

 

[oneeyed]

Get a couple more canisters and fill the balls with the argon gas. If they deflate, just more argon to breathe in. This way you truly reduce the O2 concentration in the vehicle.

Edit. The first words out of the first responders would definitely be "what the actual fuck"

 

[ThisIsLife]

It's counter-productive to:

- Use Argon when you can use N2. As stated many times, Argon is heavier.
- Use 10 cans of N2 when in that particular case, LIQUID N2 would be wiser because of its insane expansion rate.
- Close the windows, because oxygen has to be purged.

Not only that, but as you said, it would be insanely expensive to do, 10 cans = 10 regulators.

But i find the beach volley balls hilarious :)

 

[Oneness]

Presumably there is no reason to combine this with either SN or Heroin overdose, to ensure no missing of that bus?

I think almost every method has a small chance of failure, so combining certain methods could increase the chance of success.

Get a couple more canisters and fill the balls with the argon gas. If they deflate, just more argon to breathe in. This way you truly reduce the O2 concentration in the vehicle.

Edit. The first words out of the first responders would definitely be "what the actual fuck"

This is a good improvement for the method, thank you!

It's counter-productive to:

- Use Argon when you can use N2. As stated many times, Argon is heavier.
- Use 10 cans of N2 when in that particular case, LIQUID N2 would be wiser because of its insane expansion rate.
- Close the windows, because oxygen has to be purged.

Not only that, but as you said, it would be insanely expensive to do, 10 cans = 10 regulators.

But i find the beach volley balls hilarious :)

Thank you for the suggestion. In my local store N2 is not available but maybe I could order it from some online store. Windows need to be closed to avoid any oxygen getting inside the car. Cars are designed in a way that allows a good outflow of gases even when windows are closed.

Let's imagine we manage to reduce the available air volume inside the car to about 200 litres thanks to the beach balls. 150L/min flow of inert gas is quite massive, so after 5 - 15 minutes I believe there wouldn't be any oxygen left inside the car no matter what inert gas we used. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[ThisIsLife]

Thank you for the suggestion. In my local store N2 is not available but maybe I could order it from some online store. Windows need to be closed to avoid any oxygen getting inside the car. Cars are designed in a way that allows a good outflow of gases even when windows are closed.

Let's imagine we manage to reduce the available air volume inside the car to about 200 litres thanks to the beach balls. 150L/min flow of inert gas is quite massive, so after 5 - 15 minutes I believe there wouldn't be any oxygen left inside the car no matter what inert gas we used. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

The advantage of liquid N2 over N2 is that you'd only need nothing more than a Dewar which you would only have to let sit in the backseat open and let the physics do the rest. It's quite easy to get where i live and it's very cheap (less than 2$ a Litre). A Dewar is a little bit pricey though but you could buy second hand.

You're right about cars design that allow outflow of gases with the windows closed but with liquid N2, you'd have to keep the windows slightly open no matter what, because it expands 695 times in volume when it vaporizes (and ofc has no warning properties such as odor or color). Hence, if sufficient liquid nitrogen is vaporized so as to reduce the oxygen percentage to below 19.5%, it will cause unconsciousness but also blow the windows; the question is when.

Your idea of occupying the space with the balls is good, but it seems you didn't take into account that it would allow you to use less gas. I honestly think that if you find a way to fill the space in your car to the maximum, wether with balls or something else, you would need less than 10 cans.
As long as you crunch the numbers in order to be 1000% sure everything works as intended for 30 minutes.

 

[Oneness]

The advantage of liquid N2 over N2 is that you'd only need nothing more than a Dewar which you would only have to let sit in the backseat open and let the physics do the rest. It's quite easy to get where i live and it's very cheap (less than 2$ a Litre). A Dewar is a little bit pricey though but you could buy second hand.

You're right about cars design that allow outflow of gases with the windows closed but with liquid N2, you'd have to keep the windows slightly open no matter what, because it expands 695 times in volume when it vaporizes (and ofc has no warning properties such as odor or color). Hence, if sufficient liquid nitrogen is vaporized so as to reduce the oxygen percentage to below 19.5%, it will cause unconsciousness but also blow the windows; the question is when.

Your idea of occupying the space with the balls is good, but it seems you didn't take into account that it would allow you to use less gas. I honestly think that if you find a way to fill the space in your car to the maximum, wether with balls or something else, you would need less than 10 cans.
As long as you crunch the numbers in order to be 1000% sure everything works as intended for 30 minutes.

Wow it's pretty cheap then. The evaporation speed calculations of the liquid N2 is what makes it more complicated IMO. With inert gas canisters you can set 150L/min flow speed easily and it will remain constant.

It's true that 24 000 litres of argon is probably a bit overkill. But to ensure successful CTB, an overkill is better than a possible failure. Different car models and people using varying amounts of beach balls makes it hard to calculate an accurate amount of gas needed.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I think the safer and easier way would be using an exit bag / SCBA mask. This is also probably cheaper.

 

[Oneness]

I think the safer and easier way would be using an exit bag / SCBA mask. This is also probably cheaper.

Way cheaper! It's just that the idea of a plastic bag over my head is very claustrophobic and anxiety inducing for me. Sitting in a car is more comforting and comfortable. That's just my two cents.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Way cheaper! It's just that the idea of a plastic bag over my head is very claustrophobic and anxiety inducing for me. Sitting in a car is more comforting and comfortable. That's just my two cents.

I agree with that! That's one of the reasons why I'm not considering inert gas/N2 with exit bag/SCBA mask for myself. My method will be CO in a room/tent.

 

[Betelgeuse8000]

This seemed like a joke when I first read it, but this actually seems like a legit way to go. Amazing.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Wow, I find myself fully invested in this method. What do you think the fail rate is, and what are some possible fail safes? And what do you say you're buying it for if asked?

 

[Oneness]

Wow, I find myself fully invested in this method. What do you think the fail rate is, and what are some possible fail safes? And what do you say you're buying it for if asked?

I was worried that maybe cars can't handle 150L/min but actually they can very easily.

https://www.aivc.org/sites/default/files/members_area/medias/pdf/Conf/1999/paper095.pdf "The air flow rate varies in a car, but a rather normal flow rate of 70 L/s (250 m3/h) gives an air exchange time constant of about 1 minute (60 air changes per hour)."
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-speed-of-the-air-coming-out-of-the-average-car-A-C-vent "most modern vehicle blower motors produce about 1100-1500 cfm (cubic feet per minute) of airflow speed AT the fan when new."

I don't see how this CTB method could fail if done correctly. Using a higher flow rate (300L/min for example) would result in a faster loss of consciousness, so that is one possible improvement to this method. Buying 1 gas canister at a time the seller probably won't be asking any questions. If somebody asks, you can tell them it's for welding.

EDIT: actually one possible HUGE failure would be if the car is turned on and the car air conditioning is turned on. That would push fresh air inside the cabin and ruin the method completely. So better leave the car turned off completely to be safe!

 

[Praestat_Mori]

@Oneness Do you seal the vents for that method?

 

[Oneness]

@Oneness Do you seal the vents for that method?

No need to seal anything IMO. Just keep windows and doors closed.