Resource Suicides pre-planned prior to incarnation

[greyhound]

Trigger warning - this post is pre-supposing some belief in the existence of an afterlife. If you do not believe in the afterlife feel free to read on but please refrain from using this thread as a place to debate whether or not it exists.

I've been reading these books:

The Afterlife Interviews

What is life REALLY like on the Other Side? What could possibly be waiting for us when our time on earth is over? What does it mean for o...

www.goodreads.com

The Afterlife Interviews

What is life REALLY like on the Other Side? What could possibly be waiting for us when our time on earth is over? What does it mean for o...

www.goodreads.com

The author is a medium and has posed a set of questions about the afterlife to 14 deceased spirits who were related to someone that was also present in the room.

One of the spirits is a man who CTB by gunshot so you actually get to hear his answers to a number of questions throughout the books which is interesting. In volume II there is a chapter specifically devoted to suicide, and surprisingly the author breaks up suicides into two categories:

"Early in my career .. I uncovered the astonishing reality that there were actually two types of suicides:
1 ..
2. Where the suicide was pre-planned prior to incarnation..

...

Those spirits who came through in interviews acknowleged indeed , some people were meant to cut their lives short -- not out of emotional trauma - although it might appear that way from the surface - but for the advancement of those left behind.
...
These people could actually be spirit guides coming to play that role, because it takes advanced awareness.."

It's interesting because I've never come across anything saying that suicide could be pre-planned and potentially positive. And I've read a ton of books about suicide. It's almost all negative. It's always portrayed as the ultimate unnatural act of either rebellion against God, rebellion against your 'soul contract', or rebellion against your biology.

But ultimately whether or not you think there is a plan for everything, if 1% of humans die by suicide, isn't it just part of the natural order to some degree? It would be expected that a conscious being that has:

-knowledge of life and death
-a finite tolerance for pain
-a limited lifespan in a body that a certain point becomes unfixable

This being would potentially commit suicide. If you designed/oversaw the world it wouldn't be like this crazy unexpected phenomenon. Oh damn 1% of people are killing themselves! This throws all our math off! We're going to have to increase female sexual desire by 0.3% to offset this unforseeable population loss! Quick - turn down the male pattern baldness by 5% - some of these guys need to remain appealing for the good of the species!

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

 

[lostmylove]

Anyone who claims to be a 'medium' should be rebranded as a con woman/ con man.

They sell this message to vulnerable people. I'm not agnostic when it comes to things potentially being there after life.

But to claim that someone who's highly dubious and has monetary agenda behind their work is somehow correct is laughable IMO.

 

[Pluto]

Very interesting post. I hadn't specifically heard of this phenomenon, but it's safe to say that certain individuals are born into circumstances that make suicide a high probability from day 1. It isn't a surprise to any reasonable person (or spirit!) when various issues like sexual abuse, bullying, autism, parental neglect and so forth inevitably lead to suicidal ideation, and in some cases a suicide completion.

It can also be said that from this perspective, suicide is not a very big deal, nor is it going to traumatise some otherworldly entities. We are talking about a perspective from which there is no such thing as death, so of course any particular form of death is OK to some degree. The worst thing that could happen, of course, is some sort of unpleasant rebirth.

To take the discussion beyond this means delving into a fundamental understanding of the nature of consciousness, free will, the nature of time and the very definition of 'Self'. I'd argue that it isn't very fruitful to go down that pathway if there is an actual purpose behind your questions that is better focused on directly. There are better things to do than philosophising.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

Anyone who claims to be a 'medium' should be rebranded as a con woman/ con man.

Yeah its utter nonsense and a scam.

i been reading about how to do it.

Its basically a magicians parlor trick using cold reading and barnam statements.

Ever notice how the spirits come through and give their first alphabet of their name ? they cant say their full name but then go on to give full details?

Notice how the causes of death are extremely common and the statements about a person's life are very general and could apply to anyone?

" your mother was a very brave strong woman, she never backed down"

omg yes you contacted my mother spirit!!

"your father had a love for cars, i see him around cars alot"

omg yes you thats my dad!!

utter bs barnam statements, i maybe should do this scam to make money.

Its easier to do and learn than i thought.

read some books by mentalists .

 

[greyhound]

Very interesting post. I hadn't specifically heard of this phenomenon, but it's safe to say that certain individuals are born into circumstances that make suicide a high probability from day 1. It isn't a surprise to any reasonable person (or spirit!) when various issues like sexual abuse, bullying, autism, parental neglect and so forth inevitably lead to suicidal ideation, and in some cases a suicide completion.

It can also be said that from this perspective, suicide is not a very big deal, nor is it going to traumatise some otherworldly entities. We are talking about a perspective from which there is no such thing as death, so of course any particular form of death is OK to some degree. The worst thing that could happen, of course, is some sort of unpleasant rebirth.

To take the discussion beyond this means delving into a fundamental understanding of the nature of consciousness, free will, the nature of time and the very definition of 'Self'. I'd argue that it isn't very fruitful to go down that pathway if there is an actual purpose behind your questions that is better focused on directly. There are better things to do than philosophising.

Yeah the author still skirts the issue of suicides that would be pretty much expected due to difficult life circumstances. They are sort of only breaking things into categories of 1) Suicides where the person cannot bear to live any longer. 2) Suicides part of the divine plan, but basically just speaking in terms of enlightened spirit guides that commit suicide for the benefit of humanity.

I am the one sort of expanding category 2 to potentially include expected suicides. I mean suicides where it's like ok the person is going to deal with life circumstance X at this point, and there is a 80% chance they will commit suicide due to their personality characteristics. I mean it's like if almost all suicides are unplanned then how exactly do these people get slotted back into the plan for their next life?

Ultimately if there is any sort of plan exists then God would have to be this incredible actuary and certainly would need to calculate the odds of suicide at certain points for people. There would have to be situations where 'probable suicide' would be part of the main plan and any other action would be outside of the divine plan.

I just don't think God planning for suicides is palatable to most people, and so there is this treatment of it where it is this sort of radical act of free will that God just somehow manages to deal with.

Anyone who claims to be a 'medium' should be rebranded as a con woman/ con man.

They sell this message to vulnerable people. I'm not agnostic when it comes to things potentially being there after life.

But to claim that someone who's highly dubious and has monetary agenda behind their work is somehow correct is laughable IMO.

Sorry, I specifically requested that people not debate the existence of the afterlife in this thread but should have added mediumship as well. Every time I post something about spirits/afterlife on here the threads just become hijacked into a debate. My post is examining this information with the assumption that the afterlife exists and it is possible to gain information about it via mediumship.

For those who don't believe in any of this stuff please start a thread where you can idly speculate over what Christopher Hitchens is not doing in the non-existing afterlife as you will never be able to contact him through a medium as that's impossible.

 

[September5th]

I did pay a visit to a fortune teller/medium some days ago. I was so desperate for peace that I decided to try something new/unorthodox.
The woman did impressed me a lot, as she correctly pinpointed many things that happened in my life (even some recent stuff).

She said something about me being a unique kind of spirit, who chose to stay in Earth so that I could help others (I didn't really understand much of what she said). Anyway, she told me I'm a constant target of shitty people trying to fuck others over or something. Crazy stuff

 

[Sister of the Moon]

I have read several similar books. One of them sticks in my mind. The suicide of Erik Mehdus. He apparently communicated with his distraught mother via mediums and first his mother wrote a book about what he said, how he described the afterlife. Then a subsequent book was supposedly written by him, channelled through a medium.

Please, no pisstaking. I have read many, many books on esoteric themes. It's just something I find fascinating. Nobody knows whether it's true or not. It is what it is.

 

[Ligottian]

I visited a "medium/fortune teller/tarot card reader" a few years ago just for the heck of it. She told me I'd be much happier in six months. Riiight!

 

[hankbank3928]

Interesting stuff, thanks for the read.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I had a psychic who i used to visit on a regular basis… I enjoyed the experience and she had an uncanny way of describing situations that she knew nothing about that were going on in my life… But she predicted I was going to enjoy some momentous success just about the time my life entirely collapsed… So I think she got the headline wrong… It's a fascinating subject

 

[Judy Garland]

Dear Greyhound, since you are open to the truth about our spirits existing, I will comment here. Suicide, like you said, can be "charted", written in someone's life for them specifically to do. It can also be, that this life is too difficult for a spirit to continue. Both forms are ok. There is no punishment for wanting to end your earthly experience. I remember Heaven (which I also refer to as Home), and I know that Home is where I am going since that is where I came from. This earth, it's culture, rules, and laws were created by the very spirits who are here now. Through many incarnations and many lives, through everyone is how this world was developed.
People might not like to hear that because they don't want to be blamed for anything, but a lot of the very people on this site made suicide hard, and made a lot of drugs (specifically) illegal in past lives as Governors, Presidents, Kings, Queens, Treasurers, anyone with the power to shape this world. And now, these very same spirits are suffering at what they sewed. These same people would now swear, "I don't want it like this" etc. etc. (And of course they don't remember)
But they were shaping this world and as it was being created they told Me, and others like me, "We don't care". For I warned them. the way they want this world, is going to cause them to suffer as well as myself. They didn't care. As long as I was suffering too. The saying, "You reap what you sew" is very real for this world.
And then, I, God am blamed for everything. Or I'm told that I don't exist. For how can there be a God when so much pain goes unanswered? I didn't create this world, you all did. As all spirits get to create many worlds in any way they want down to the very atom.
And why does it seem like prayers to stop pain whether it be physical from something like cancer, or whether it be something like depression, are not answered? Because in Heaven, Home, all of you said to me, "You better not save me from pain, no matter how much I cry or beg!" (Again, none of you remember this) And you all also said this: "We don't want to know you, we don't care. We don't want to know you exist".
I'm sure, I'm going to get a lot of comments mocking me in some way. But I can answer questions like why is there cancer? And why is there heartbreak, and pain. Why would I create that? Well, all of you decided how the human body was to work on this earth. All of you. All of you created all of that pain, in order to suffer in some way. Why would you want to create pain if you don't like it? Because you HATE ME. And when I created cures to be brought into this earth, I was yelled at by all of you. Again, all of you got to decide every parameter of earth including the parameters of the human body. Everything is suffering here. Everything. And I'm tired of it. And I'm tired of all of you making me suffer too.

 

[whatevs]

Very interesting post. I hadn't specifically heard of this phenomenon, but it's safe to say that certain individuals are born into circumstances that make suicide a high probability from day 1. It isn't a surprise to any reasonable person (or spirit!) when various issues like sexual abuse, bullying, autism, parental neglect and so forth inevitably lead to suicidal ideation, and in some cases a suicide completion.

It can also be said that from this perspective, suicide is not a very big deal, nor is it going to traumatise some otherworldly entities. We are talking about a perspective from which there is no such thing as death, so of course any particular form of death is OK to some degree. The worst thing that could happen, of course, is some sort of unpleasant rebirth.

To take the discussion beyond this means delving into a fundamental understanding of the nature of consciousness, free will, the nature of time and the very definition of 'Self'. I'd argue that it isn't very fruitful to go down that pathway if there is an actual purpose behind your questions that is better focused on directly. There are better things to do than philosophising.

Philosophising often helps me with not killing myself so I disagree.

 

[WanderingWater]

I, do believe that I am at a pre-planned Exit within my Soul Contract on a Universal Level.

The other night while looking at the Full Moon. I, took a depth breath and asked for guidance. In that moment, the smell of Honeysuckle filled the air, cedar trees rustled and
GrandMother Moon showed herself. Then, Great Spirit spoke to me...I came to an understanding that my Soul is profoundly weary on a cellular level on this earthly plane. And, honestly, I am soul*tired to reinvent the Wheel on a cellular level.

In truth, I have three NDE's in my Lifetime. Each time I fell back to Earth as if I was thrust back thru the Eye of a Storm.

In the same breath, I've experienced the Love, Wonder & Peace of the Celestial Plane.

At 55 years...I feel as if I can "Go Home"...and, I know that my decision is supported by the Universe without prejudice.

Otherwise, I would not sense the presence and/or dreams of those that past before me in the past week or so.

Each time, it's as if it's a "mini-life" review of earlier days.
--It's as if I am processing and acknowledging the "tiny deaths" that brought me to here--

My mindset is to transition with Peace in my Heart of Hearts. No Malice. My Life is not to be boiled down to a Blame Game.

I, truly have no desire to be mired in "what*ifs" with the same wants and needs without any ability to do anything about it. No wandering Spirit, here.

To me "forgiveness of Self and Others" ... x,y and z is the Golden Ticket.

To die in angst of this world and persons that trespassed serves no one, not here or in Universal Energy.

Peace Be with You...

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I, do believe that I am at a pre-planned Exit within my Soul Contract on a Universal Level.

The other night while looking at the Full Moon. I, took a depth breath and asked for guidance. In that moment, the smell of Honeysuckle filled the air, cedar trees rustled and
GrandMother Moon showed herself. Then, Great Spirit spoke to me...I came to an understanding that my Soul is profoundly weary on a cellular level on this earthly plane. And, honestly, I am soul*tired to reinvent the Wheel on a cellular level.

In truth, I have three NDE's in my Lifetime. Each time I fell back to Earth as if I was thrust back thru the Eye of a Storm.

In the same breath, I've experienced the Love, Wonder & Peace of the Celestial Plane.

At 55 years...I feel as if I can "Go Home"...and, I know that my decision is supported by the Universe without prejudice.

Otherwise, I would not sense the presence and/or dreams of those that past before me in the past week or so.

Each time, it's as if it's a "mini-life" review of earlier days.
--It's as if I am processing and acknowledging the "tiny deaths" that brought me to here--

My mindset is to transition with Peace in my Heart of Hearts. No Malice. My Life is not to be boiled down to a Blame Game.

I, truly have no desire to be mired in "what*ifs" with the same wants and needs without any ability to do anything about it. No wandering Spirit, here.

To me "forgiveness of Self and Others" ... x,y and z is the Golden Ticket.

To die in angst of this world and persons that trespassed serves no one, not here or in Universal Energy.

Peace Be with You...

Well it seems like you have reached a place of acceptance… That is admirable and enviable…

 

[Zzzzz]

I believe if there is a higher purpose, it probably would include suicide for some people. Because obviously if there is a higher purpose, hardship and tragedy are important aspects of this purpose.

 

[Cathy Ames]

for the advancement of those left behind

So I'm very confused about what the supposed "two" categories are. The second one (#2) was "preplanned prior to incarnation"* Then you said the thing about "for the advancement of those left behind but did not state this as the #1. Does it go with #2? Regardless, I do like the concept that a suicide can be for the advancement of those left behind.

I sort of see myself as one of those "object lessons" to be held up for young people to show what can happen or how a person's life can turn out horrible, even though that person supposedly had virtually unlimited potential (and etc.) when they were young, worked hard, tried to be a "good" person, etc.. So I find this kind of apt. YES! My death can, indeed, be for the advancement of others provided the people "left behind" do not fall back on the shallowest of easy platitudes, blah blah "get help" blah blah "selfish act" or whatever. My life and death can be illustrative in any number of categories, but I hope they won't end up being filed away in those two. Unfortunately I am just way too tired and whatever all else to write the good notes and letters that might help move things out of those two categories. Oh well.

* Also? I twice misread things (the title and #2) as INCARCERATION instead of incarnation. So I was thinking that #2 was describing a suicide "to avoid incarceration." Oh dear me. But there is something inadvertently poetic or apt there in equating incarnation with incarceration. I like this.

 

[greyhound]

So I'm very confused about what the supposed "two" categories are. The second one (#2) was "preplanned prior to incarnation"* Then you said the thing about "for the advancement of those left behind but did not state this as the #1. Does it go with #2? Regardless, I do like the concept that a suicide can be for the advancement of those left behind.

Category 1 was just like typical suicide due to being unable to tolerate the conditions of life anymore. Sorry I probably should have included it just to prevent confusion.