Suicide prevention campaigns are centred on Privilege

[FireFox]

I know it sounds controversial but I am sorry to say suicide prevention campaigns are centred on privilege. There is plenty of caring people and mental health charities who do great work on suicide prevention but still it doesn't take away the fact suicide prevention are centred on privilege.

●Suicide prevention charities and campaigners tell you if you are depressed or suicidal to talk to someone like family member, a teacher, therapist or phone the suicide hotline etc. Not everyone has caring friends and family to talk too. There are many cases of people who are have nobody that cares for them these are the teenagers in the foster care system, the lonely adults who have no friends, no kids or partner of their own etc. When it comes to opening up about mental health people are extremely judgemental or dismissive or worst of all dont want to know because the topic is too uncomfortable for them. If someone does not reach out it is for a reason.

● Like I have mentioned before therapy is inaccessible to many people. In the UK people face long NHS waiting times to see a therapist the waiting times vary from area to area and going to private is very expensive. An individual on low income will not spend £60 for a 1 hour session with a therapist if they can't afford to pay the household bills.

*https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...e-no-idea-how-inaccessible-therapy-is.130946/

- https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-is-a-luxury-for-the-middle-class-and-wealthy.

Not everyone has access to means and rescources to help improve their lives. A poor quality life can impact a person's mental state. There millions of people on low income or average incomes and talented university educated graduates who want to better their careers but struggle to get the help to do so because the job market is not fair. Employers do not want to train and have unfair demands of what they want in candidate. An entry level job now demands more than a couple of years experience.
How is this fair ?

People with disabilities struggle in getting help and support for their condition and still face discrimination in society despite the existence of anti discrimination laws. LGBT + people still face discrimination and not all LGBT + people have a support system. This is an enormous issue for LGBT + youth in the UK who have religious parents or parents from a different culture hostile to LGBT + such young people face being disowned or even killed by their families.
Healthcare Institutions like the NHS have in the past have treated appalling marginalised groups in society within the hospitals.

The list of social inequalities in our society is just endless

How are people supposed to improve their lives if the system is not letting them ? Suicide prevention is rooted in preveilge because campaigners think its easy to get help and fix your life. Suicide prevention needs to focus on fixing the factors that led people to suicide rather than pointless platitudes of "reach out"

 

[callmebyourname]

I completely agree. On the "ask for help" message, it assumes that help is available and that your particular issue is caused by a treatable mental health issue. For people with complex mental illness or psychiatric conditions it's possible to ask for help for years, and even receive help for years, and not have your symptoms improve. Some conditions resist treatment, or are not well enough understood to guarantee effective treatment. For example, I've lost count of the number of medications I have tried.

 

[sussshiroll]

First they force you into "health care" (psychiatry) and once they ruin you they force you into this existene. Fuck you pro-lifer piece of shit
Wish you were forced like us when psychiatry was nothing.

 

[SuicidalTiger]

Reaching out is hard for normal people.
No, they'd rather just take away your means, then even if you end up shattered and homeless they at least tried :)

The average person is tantamount to a devil / asura in disguise.

I hope you've not made this post in a place of pain, and if you have I hope it passes quickly.

 

[Jorms_McGander]

Who do I talk to when I need to explain that my sense of identity is missing and that I don't feel safe or able to express the simplest of my own thoughts while I am under the barrage of another person's unconscious radiations of personality?

How do I accomplish efficacious care or advocate my own needs when face to face conversations are an obstacle and I will be unintentionally railroaded every time by emotions as subtle as my doctor uncomfortably trying to hold a fart?

If I immediately forget everything I came to say? Now I not only have a great big list of mental health issues I've got a series of physical health issues I also cannot bring up.

If you can imagine, I drained a cyst and it's still there. I thought it was cancer so I wasn't saying anything but it came to a head and drained. So I went to a doctor for an examination. I had to be naked. A student was present for the exam and I consented (can't say no). My doctor examined me and told me I have no cyst. I couldn't assert myself so I agreed there's no cyst there. It's now kinda the size of a hardball and it still drains a couple times a week.

I don't even know what the privilege I'm lacking is but the idea of myself verbally expressing what is wrong is a fucking joke. Put me in the same room with another human being and I spend the rest of the day trying to pick slivers out of my brain from brushing up against them.

 

[escape_from_hell]

Makes sense. Lack of privilege in various forms (abilities, looks, wealth, race, health, whatever the category that might affect life quality) is a big driver of suicidality.
Suicide prevention is social posturing, an empty gesture to satisfy cultural moral codes. When it is to 'save lives' it takes the form of nets outside of slave mills to reduce worker turnover rates. There is also the money-making aspect of running those mental health wards for unconstitutional incarceration in the United States and paying salaries to a bunch of social workers that could give a fuck less (maybe it makes some of them get a 'moral buzz' so the suicidal are used as pleasure objects).

 

[FireFox]

I completely agree. On the "ask for help" message, it assumes that help is available and that your particular issue is caused by a treatable mental health issue. For people with complex mental illness or psychiatric conditions it's possible to ask for help for years, and even receive help for years, and not have your symptoms improve. Some conditions resist treatment, or are not well enough understood to guarantee effective treatment. For example, I've lost count of the number of medications I have tried.

@callmebyourname The problem when it comes to mental health treatments is big pharma doesn't want to approve of radical medical treatments proven scientifically to work alievate symptoms of more severe mental illnesses.

For example There has been plenty of scientific research to back up evidence that medicinal cannabis does work to alievate mental and physical pain but in the UK medical cannabis it is extremely difficult to get a prescription despite it being legal.Medical cannabis is allowed mainly for severe eplisey sufferers or other severe physcial pain conditions normally in cases where other medical treatments have not been doing much.

Many British people have been forced to grow their own cannabis or buy drugs from the street as its impossible to get a prescription from doctorsdue to the bureaucracy and limits on who can have the drug. In the USA not all States have legalised medical cannabis.

A couple of years ago scientists did a study where they gave controlled Ketamine infusions to people suffering severe depression. The results of the study were that more than 70 percent of patients who used the drug had improvements to their mood, with 40 percent reporting no symptoms of depressiom after 10 routine infusions of the drug. This treatment not much has been done to approve of it world wide.

40% of patients treated with ketamine had depression disappear

The anesthetic drug ketamine has shown promise in treating depressive symptoms in a recent trial. It resolved depression all together in around 40 percent of those who took part.

www.google.com

Reaching out is hard for normal people.
No, they'd rather just take away your means, then even if you end up shattered and homeless they at least tried :)

The average person is tantamount to a devil / asura in disguise.

I hope you've not made this post in a place of pain, and if you have I hope it passes quickly.

@SilverTiger Reaching out is not even worth it.

I have learnt when I reached out all I got was judgment and people treating me like an inconvenience . When I was at university when I opened up about being suicidal my closest friend in my law class began to avoid me. This person was someone who was went to church everyweek and she was always going on about how she was a good catholic. During the pandemic I got builled out a community for depression suffers. The depression suffers who builed me I was at my most vulnerable and low point during lockdown.

The British singer Morrisey was right about how hypocritical society is when it comes to people suffering mental illness and addiction.Morrisey criticised the hypocritcical celebrity tributes to Sinead O'Connor saying "You hadn't the guts to support her when she was alive and she was looking for you". Morrissey then likened Sinead's death to those of other female stars such as Amy Winehouse. He wrote: 'Why is ANYBODY surprised that Sinead O'Connor is dead?

'Who cared enough to save Judy Garland, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Marilyn Monroe, Billie Holiday? Where do you go when death can be the best outcome? Was this music madness worth Sinead's life?

'No, it wasn't.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...g-death-aged-56-hadnt-guts-support-alive.html

Morrisey has a reputation for being an arsehole but this time he was right the same media that made fun of her mental health problems and celebrities that condemned her throughout her life are now appreciating her because she has died. When it comes ordinary members of the public too the same message applies people reach out and nobody cares enough to save you everyone treats you like an inconvenience in thier normal lives until the day you die.
Why should a person want to live in a world where nobody cares enough to help them with their problems

Makes sense. Lack of privilege in various forms (abilities, looks, wealth, race, health, whatever the category that might affect life quality) is a big driver of suicidality.
Suicide prevention is social posturing, an empty gesture to satisfy cultural moral codes. When it is to 'save lives' it takes the form of nets outside of slave mills to reduce worker turnover rates. There is also the money-making aspect of running those mental health wards for unconstitutional incarceration in the United States and paying salaries to a bunch of social workers that could give a fuck less (maybe it makes some of them get a 'moral buzz' so the suicidal are used as pleasure objects).

@escape_from_hell Majority of my experiences I have had with people who promote mental wellness and suicide prevention I have come to the conclusion that mental health awareness and suicide prevention is just a way for arseholes to show how they are "good person" and too make themselves feel better about thier own lives. I have met so many arseholes and builles who preach about suicide prevention and being builled by them has turned me off from even seeking help and reaching out.

After I graduated university my depression was persistent and not going away so I decided to connect online with other depression sufferers to help deal with the loneliness of being a depression sufferer. This depression support community majority of its users are from the UK and some are from other countries too. The community is secular and very pro recovery.

The moderator ( now deceased) has suffered from severe depression and anxiety throughout her entire life. She even had postnatal depression in all 3 pregnancies. Despite her life long struggle with mental illness and trauma she turned out be horrible woman but everyone in the community saw her as this saint

During the 2020 covid19 pandemic I got builled out of the community by the moderator and the other depression sufferers. I was at my lowest point. I mentioned on the forum as truthfully as possible that sometimes i wished I died of covid19 because I don't really deserve to be alive in this world. The moderator of the site she attacked me and she said my comments are "insulting " and she talked about how she has been shielding during the pandemic due to her disabilities. Another site member she was the biggest bully and she criticised me on the site. She brought up about her cousin died of covid19 and didn't get to say goodbye. She called me " selfish " and said i didn't "understand "what i was talking about. She is in her 40s and also she said " I wish I was young, had a law degree and a caring family " She attacked me on the site the moderator along with all the site members sided with her as she builled me. I ended up being accused of attacking her when I tried to defend myself. The whole community turned against me.

The same month on the site when I wrote a post about how if you kill yourself people seem to care more about you and really appreciate you than if you were alive. I made reference to the suicide of a famous UK celebrity who killed herself who got loads of massive public outpouring of love. The moderator responded with hostility and called my comments "offensive". She imposed restrictions on my posts which were every post i wrote had to be approved by her. After that I left. She was so rude to me in the emails when discussing closing my account.

The moderator is remembered as this lovely woman who helped depressed souls but to me she was nothing but a bully who allowed her pack mob of users to kick me down at my lowest.

Who do I talk to when I need to explain that my sense of identity is missing and that I don't feel safe or able to express the simplest of my own thoughts while I am under the barrage of another person's unconscious radiations of personality?

How do I accomplish efficacious care or advocate my own needs when face to face conversations are an obstacle and I will be unintentionally railroaded every time by emotions as subtle as my doctor uncomfortably trying to hold a fart?

If I immediately forget everything I came to say? Now I not only have a great big list of mental health issues I've got a series of physical health issues I also cannot bring up.

If you can imagine, I drained a cyst and it's still there. I thought it was cancer so I wasn't saying anything but it came to a head and drained. So I went to a doctor for an examination. I had to be naked. A student was present for the exam and I consented (can't say no). My doctor examined me and told me I have no cyst. I couldn't assert myself so I agreed there's no cyst there. It's now kinda the size of a hardball and it still drains a couple times a week.

I don't even know what the privilege I'm lacking is but the idea of myself verbally expressing what is wrong is a fucking joke. Put me in the same room with another human being and I spend the rest of the day trying to pick slivers out of my brain from brushing up against them.

@Jorms_McGander You are suffering and need help a cyst is serious. I recommend writing or keeping a diary to pinpoint to the doctor what is wrong with you. Somepeople are not good at explaining things which is why writing things down can help.

alternatively you can complain about your care and ask to get another doctor as you feel it is not working well with this doctor.

Good luck you deserve so much better.

 

[golta]

The reason by is centered in the privilege people, is because is more usefull in society eyes to save a young, brilliant man with a bright future rather than a drugs consumer that doesnt work. It has been always like that, and probably It would continue forever like this.F√©£ everybody