Discussion Suicide is the easy way out.

[Sleeper System]

Reported your posts to the mods - you're being rude to multiple people in this thread and nobody needs your negativity. Take it elsewhere.

Reporting me in my own thread that you could have chose to ignore if you didn't agree? Ok... sorry you felt the need to do that. You're a user same as me so I don't know why you think you can tell someone to "take it elsewhere" when there are many posters that agree with what I said and some who respectfully disagree and its all good we are here to communicate. I didn't think the habits of cancel culture would infect this site but im seeing more and more of this lately. (shrug)

 

[deadwinter]

To clarify this prospective... It's like you're unhappy so you're suicidal and in being suicidal you remain unhappy.

I don't feel like being suicidal truly worsens my depression—possibly, it reinforces my negative self-perception, but it is above all a coping skill. It is a constant, a source of stability, through my turbulent emotions and life. It brings me immense comfort to know that I will always have an option (not a great one), but a way out nonetheless when life becomes completely unbearable.

As to the title of this thread, It's not the words at face value. It's the deeper meaning. Suicide is the easy way out.
If you really understand, then you know that the statement is true. If you can disagree, then you'll be proven wrong every time.

Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't quite understand how your commentary relates to the title?? Not sure if I missed something, but in what way is suicide the "easy way out?" (And I'm not really sure what the deeper meaning is you're referring to... ) The decision to commit suicide will always be an extremely difficult and painful one, maybe the hardest decision one will ever make. Suicide is permanent, and will profoundly affect your life (obviously) and that of everyone around you. Not to mention, it's actually pretty difficult to successfully kill oneself, especially without the right tools. Most methods are quite painful to absolutely excruciating, and the prospect of waking up alive after an attempt (perhaps with permanent and debilitating damage) is nothing short of terrifying. (What a weak way to end your argument, btw.)

Life is hard, Suicide is hard... Unfortunately, there is no easy way out.

 

[Sleeper System]

I don't feel like being suicidal truly worsens my depression—possibly, it reinforces my negative self-perception, but it is above all a coping skill. It is a constant, a source of stability, through my turbulent emotions and life. It brings me immense comfort to know that I will always have an option (not a great one), but a way out when life becomes completely unbearable.


Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't quite understand how your commentary relates to the title?? Not sure if I missed something, but in what way is suicide the "easy way out?" (And I'm not really sure what the deeper meaning is you're referring to... ) The decision to commit suicide will always be an extremely difficult and painful one, maybe the hardest decision one will ever make. Suicide is permanent, and will profoundly affect your life (obviously) and that of everyone around you. Not to mention, it's actually pretty difficult to successfully kill oneself, especially without the right tools. Most methods are quite painful to unbearably excruciating, and the prospect of waking up alive after an attempt (perhaps with permanent and debilitating damage) is nothing short of terrifying. (What a weak way to end your argument, btw.)

There is no easy way out.

There is a lot of contention about that statement and it was partially click-bait for the real discussion which is about getting people to insert their prospective. The truth of the matter is easy/difficult is subject. Most of the people here find it difficult because while they want to ctb, they all have their own reasons for not being able to.
I personally think suicide is easy in terms of the action but difficult in terms of going through with it.
It's a good discussion because it's all about prospective. Even though it's kind of bias because like you said it's a difficult thing regardless. It's just no one has talked about the real reason it's difficult for everyone. I know the answer but wanted to see if anyone would bring it up.

 

[deadwinter]

I personally think suicide is easy in terms of the action but difficult in terms of going through with it.

I think I get what you mean?? The physical action of pulling a trigger, swallowing pills, etc. is quick and easy to carry out, while mentally it's extremely difficult (fear of pain, failure, the unknown... ). The lack of access to humane methods also makes it very hard to commit suicide (relatively) nonviolently, which is likely the factor that stops many of the people here.

I agree with you that certain aspects of suicide may be "easy," but I still think that it's overall very difficult and painful, both physically and mentally. However, suicide is sometimes the only way out, and the sheer fact that it's an escape may make it the "easier" path as opposed to living and enduring this painful existence.

 

[Sleeper System]

I think I get what you mean?? The physical action of pulling a trigger, swallowing pills, etc. is quick and easy to carry out, while mentally it's extremely difficult (fear of pain, failure, the unknown... ). The lack of access to humane methods also makes it very hard to commit suicide (relatively) nonviolently, which is likely the factor that stops many of the people here.

I agree with you that certain aspects of suicide may be "easy," but I still think that it's overall very difficult and painful, both physically and mentally. However, suicide is sometimes the only way out, and the sheer fact that it's an escape may make it the "easier" path as opposed to living and enduring this painful existence.

Pretty much. The truth is that we can all think of a method that is 1000% garanteed to end us. In avoiding the simplicity of ending your life, you create a mental block that warps your perception and makes your goal more
challenging than it needs to be. I've always held the notion that success in CTB manifest in two ways.
Complete acceptance or complete surrender. You plan it out and your will over powers your SI or you remove all thought from the situation and just act. I think we are in agreement.

Thanks. You've actually given me an idea for a new thread.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

There is a lot of contention about that statement and it was partially click-bait for the real discussion which is about getting people to insert their prospective. The truth of the matter is easy/difficult is subject. Most of the people here find it difficult because while they want to ctb, they all have their own reasons for not being able to.
I personally think suicide is easy in terms of the action but difficult in terms of going through with it.
It's a good discussion because it's all about prospective. Even though it's kind of bias because like you said it's a difficult thing regardless. It's just no one has talked about the real reason it's difficult for everyone. I know the answer but wanted to see if anyone would bring it up.

I think you mean perspective?

Actions that have serious consequences, cannot be described as "easy".

And if you cannot divorce the action from the consequences, psychologically, then what is the point of this attempt at over-simplification?

 

[SMmetalhead36]

What's wrong with taking the "easy" way out of a life and circumstances you didn't create or ask for? This is almost like tbose saying suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem. In reality, a lot of problems are NOT temporary.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Can't make someone put more of a premium on life than they are willing to put themselves.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What's wrong with taking the "easy" way out of a life and circumstances you didn't create or ask for? This is almost like tbose saying suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem. In reality, a lot of problems are NOT temporary.

A lot of problems are not temporary, no doubt, but the "easy" way out is often not that easy - unfortunately.

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

Most people don't want to die and would be devastated if they found out that they have a terminal illness (for example).
Being suicidal means that you went through a lot of suffering and that's not easy at all.

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

Reporting me in my own thread that you could have chose to ignore if you didn't agree? Ok... sorry you felt the need to do that. You're a user same as me so I don't know why you think you can tell someone to "take it elsewhere" when there are many posters that agree with what I said and some who respectfully disagree and its all good we are here to communicate. I didn't think the habits of cancel culture would infect this site but im seeing more and more of this lately. (shrug)

if you're arguing with people - let alone people who are here for support around their mental health - you're damn right you're going to get reported. That's what a report button is for. You admit yourself the title was 'click-bait' and you thinking asking people to be respectful is somehow 'cancel culture' tells me a lot. "Sorry you felt the need" when I just like to see a respectful atmosphere. But I get it, you want attention and to provoke and argue with people.

 

[bipolar22]

Just things people say to manipulate others to not kill themselves because they can't benefit from dead people usually.
It's like an abuser saying not taking a beating everyday makes someone a coward.
Like yeah sure

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Maybe they benefit others by paying taxes. So- is that all we're good for? Wage slavery? Is it wrong for a slave to kill themselves? Who do our lives belong to at the end of the day? If there is even an 'easy way out', that suggests there is a 'correct' way to live a life. So- what is that? And, who got to decide?

This is an interesting thread and I encourages everyone to read it. But this post is so interesting because I relate. Long before I was suicidal, I once had my students write papers about a woman named Margaret Garner. She's a Black American woman who was enslaved in the 1800s.

She and her kids escaped slavery, but were recaptured. Instead of allowing her 2-year-old daughter to be returned to a life of being raped, worked to death, tortured and trafficked (slavery), she slashed her daughter's throat right in front of the slavemaster. She tried killing her other kids before being apprehended, to no avail. There were also thousands of instances of people being brought to the USA on slave ships throwing themselves overboard during the trip to die, instead of being raped, tortured and work to death. I did this during Black History Month. The school wanted to discipline me. But the parents backed me up. That was so cool.

Margaret Garner is considered a coward and murderer by the people who write the history books. But me personally, I would have killed all of my kids too, plus myself if I had the time, before living through American slavery, which, in my opinion, is the most barbaric atrocity in recorded human history.

 

[sserafim]

Life is pointless and full of unnecessary suffering. Things like hobbies, interests, etc are all just there to distract people from how utterly pointless life is. Nobody asked to be born, I certainly didn't, so I couldn't care less if suicide is the easy way out, I didn't ask to be here in the first place.

Literally

Everyone dies in the end, death is the final destination for all, so why is suicide considered the "easy way out?" It's just expediting something inevitable. Life is suffering and suffering isn't something noble. There's nothing noble or commendable about it. Suffering is something terrible and horrible, yet it's an inevitable part of life. If you're alive you will (eventually) experience pain and misery. If you believe that suffering makes you stronger and that it's good to suffer, then you've clearly been deluded and brainwashed.

Honestly, life just isn't worth the struggle. It's essentially a game of survival. We all exist as slaves to the system. We're born into a state of slavery and have to spend the majority of our adulthoods in a state of modern day slavery just to afford to exist on this planet that we didn't even choose to be on. Life was imposed upon everyone without their consent, and everyone is expected to live and suffer until natural death. Also, everyone is destined to die anyways. People die against their will. Even those who love life the most will eventually die.

I believe that it takes courage to commit suicide and to defy survival instinct. Suicide is not the easy way out, in fact, it's the opposite of it. The easy way out is just continuing to live on despite your suffering and how things clearly won't get better. A good player knows when to play and when to fold. "In the Soviet Army, it takes more courage to retreat than advance." Sometimes you just need to know when to stop fighting a losing battle. Suicide is brave and the opposite of cowardly, as it's hard to defy your body's programming and will to stay alive. This is evident by the fact that most people are terrified of death and dying.

 

[TiredOfAllThis]

Who are those pro-lifers to judge what's easy and what's not? Why the hell has anyone suffer what they cannot bear anymore?
Those trying to impose their worldview on others are the worst kind of abusers.

 

[Forever Sleep]

This is an interesting thread and I encourages everyone to read it. But this post is so interesting because I relate. Long before I was suicidal, I once had my students write papers about a woman named Margaret Garner. She's a Black American woman who was enslaved in the 1800s.

She and her kids escaped slavery, but were recaptured. Instead of allowing her 2-year-old daughter to be returned to a life of being raped, worked to death, tortured and trafficked (slavery), she slashed her daughter's throat right in front of the slavemaster. She tried killing her other kids before being apprehended, to no avail. There were also thousands of instances of people being brought to the USA on slave ships throwing themselves overboard during the trip to die, instead of being raped, tortured and work to death. I did this during Black History Month. The school wanted to discipline me. But the parents backed me up. That was so cool.

Margaret Garner is considered a coward and murderer by the people who write the history books. But me personally, I would have killed all of my kids too, plus myself if I had the time, before living through American slavery, which, in my opinion, is the most barbaric atrocity in recorded human history.

NSFW trigger warning...

I remember learning that some slave women who were raped would abort the child using knitting needles. It's horrific to think of all three- that humans would enslave other humans, that they would rape them and that they would then feel forced to do something no doubt painful and risky to themselves to ensure their child didn't suffer like them.

I wonder if attitudes have changed now. I think it's terrible that the woman you mentioned- Margaret Garner would be seen as a murderer. It should be obvious that no human should be expected to live like that. Why would a mother want that kind of life for her child? It's weird that your school wanted to discipline you. What for?!! Because it was a violent story? These children are probably going to go home and slash zombies, soldiers or aliens to bits on their computers.

It's horrific to think slavery still goes on but I doubt sweat shops are a really huge step up. No doubt sex trafficking is still rife. Perhaps the more privelaged/lucky of us don't suffer as badly as that. With any luck, we might even strike a reasonable work/life balance- although, fewer can afford to now. Still- it's not much of a choice for a lot of us. Work to earn money or, go destitute.

 

[TiredOfAllThis]

Non-existence means no suffering, no fear, no treachery, and no harassment.

 

[The Schizoid]

Agree with what you're saying about not focusing on happiness and just being fully focussed on something you care about/enjoy, but that only works if you're in a healthy enough state of mind/body to be able to enjoy anything that much.

The reality is this - If your quality of life is good enough you'll not even want to CTB. It may cross your mind but you wont do it.

But if you're in enough pain or your quality of like sucks that much, you'll definitely consider it.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

NSFW trigger warning...

I remember learning that some slave women who were raped would abort the child using knitting needles. It's horrific to think of all three- that humans would enslave other humans, that they would rape them and that they would then feel forced to do something no doubt painful and risky to themselves to ensure their child didn't suffer like them.

I wonder if attitudes have changed now. I think it's terrible that the woman you mentioned- Margaret Garner would be seen as a murderer. It should be obvious that no human should be expected to live like that. Why would a mother want that kind of life for her child? It's weird that your school wanted to discipline you. What for?!! Because it was a violent story? These children are probably going to go home and slash zombies, soldiers or aliens to bits on their computers.

It's horrific to think slavery still goes on but I doubt sweat shops are a really huge step up. No doubt sex trafficking is still rife. Perhaps the more privelaged/lucky of us don't suffer as badly as that. With any luck, we might even strike a reasonable work/life balance- although, fewer can afford to now. Still- it's not much of a choice for a lot of us. Work to earn money or, go destitute.

It's not just the enslaved women. The enslaved men and children were raped constantly in the U.S. too. But I don't even want to go there.

This was 2019-2020. Attitudes have not and will not change. It was four years ago. Most non-black Americans believe that Black Americans just need to accept they are slaves, then and now, and that the trauma thereof is the race card. If I'm being 100% honest, had I not married a black man, I would not understand or acknowledge that trauma either.

We taught at a private Christian school. But whether it's worshiping Jesus, a corporation or a President, U.S. public schools, and even private schools like mine, want to train obedient workers and social media addicts. That's why many parents wanted to see me disciplined. My husband and I were ready to commit our whole lives to that school and our students after the administrators backed us up. But honestly, they only backed us up because the parents did. Tuition at our school is very expensive. So losing even one or two students would have been bad for the school.

 

[Hotsackage]

When you have never been given a chance to even live a normal life, and even if you strive to try to have one, but you can't to beyond biology, it's hard.

 

[R_N]

Is that why most beings are trying to avoid it like the plague?