Suicide is not worth it

[David]

Friends i will tell my story and i will send some links that proves uncertainty of suicide specially hanging

 

[Aloken]

You mean uncertainty of suicide attempt. We all know there is no method that can give you a 100% success. There's no need to give us proof, we already know it's true. Do what you want though. But you're missing the point here. Suffering outweighs the risk of failure.

Friends i will tell my story and i will send some links that proves uncertainty of suicide specially hanging

 

[watchingthewheels]

Gotta love "click-bait" titles like this that drop all context whatsover in order to make a blanket statement. I see a lot of them on this forum, going both ways: "Suicide is not worth it", "WE are in hell", Life is a mistake", etc.

Certain things are absolute, sure...but always in context. Not "relative", not "nuance", but in CONTEXT. Context is key.

 

[Snatsbats]

This is the suicide section, this post should probably be in the recovery section. I'm glad you think you can overcome what brought you down to a low point in the first place, I wish I could do the same but it isn't always that black and white for others. Also having the privilege of saying 'suicide isn't worth it' is a big flex my guy. I think those parents are sort of selfish to keep their brain dead child alive, he isn't even there anymore and it's purely the aspect of seeing him physically to make themselves feel better. Please just remember not everyone has the luxury of overcoming their obstacles or fighting any longer<3

It is selfish. parents are selfish, thats why you are here(alive) in the first place. And yes, the prevention of their suffering outweighs the suffering of their child.

 

[LenkaX]

I cannot imagine living up to my 70s or 80s and being a blackpilled incel somewhere in a retirement center.

 

[avoid_slow_death]

It is selfish. parents are selfish, thats why you are here(alive) in the first place. And yes, the prevention of their suffering outweighs the suffering of their child.

Oh really? Well, got news for you. Some of us are mistakes. Literally. I know this for a fact because one parent repeatedly let me know this. The other one has passed on, so, yeah, time to correct that mistake. My entire life has been a series of tragedies and loss and mistakes. You think alllll that is outweighed by someone else's feelings? Wow....you must have a very, very narrow view of the world in that tiney-tiny cubbyhole of yours....

 

[electrojellysoup]

It is selfish. parents are selfish, thats why you are here(alive) in the first place. And yes, the prevention of their suffering outweighs the suffering of their child.

Lmao. No. I am not going to suffer only for the sake of the people who put me in this suffering in the first place. I'm not their happiness slave. I will exist or not exist on my own terms.

 

[saltshaker]

Friends i will tell my story and i will send some links that proves uncertainty of suicide specially hanging

- Shotgun through the roof of your mouth.
- Jump from 10 stories or more.
- Lay on a train track.

Basically all 100% effective.

 

[Thisgirlwantstosleep]

How are people like this not automatically banned?

 

[electrojellysoup]

How are people like this not automatically banned?

This post isn't against the rules. It's a pro-choice forum not pro-suicide, they're entitled to express their views and they haven't been discouraging specific people

 

[watereyes]

then what the hell are you doing here?

 

[Fthis]

someone told me If you are in a very bad situation the side effects of suicide makes it worse.
it doesn't worth it.
if from 0 to 100 your problems are for example 90 with committing suicide it turns to 99.
if I have a lot of problems at least I am healthy . think about it for a minute that if you are not healthy you forget all of your problems and just think about regaining your health.
SUICIDE IS NOT WORTH IT
I believe that number of 34 from 100 is not good and maybe it is terrible but it is extremely better than number 3 from 100.

A failed suicide attempt isn't worth it. If your problems are say a 90 like you said, then if you get brain damage for failing, that's a 99. If you succesfully commit suicide it would be a 0 because you can't experience your problems. And side effects of suicide? You're dead. Even if you argue dying makes it go up to 100, you will die anyway. If you are pro life, please go somewhere else.

 

[Thisgirlwantstosleep]

This post isn't against the rules. It's a pro-choice forum not pro-suicide, they're entitled to express their views and they haven't been discouraging specific people

But this isn't pro-choice. He's actively saying that people shouldn't kill themselves and using failed suicides to put people off.

Pro-choice would be discussing medication and different therapies that can help. Schemes that can help with jobs, alternative ways to get qualifications other than university, housing help.

There's a viral tweet that I often see that says mental health help is making sure people have access to healthcare, housing, education as well as adequate mental health services.

Come on.

 

[Symbiote]

Every day, any action you take involves some sort of risk. A risk that some can tolerate or accept. Being a NEET has a risk as well, being diminished quality of life compared to normal standards, health issues like muscle atrophy, diabetes, and edema, mental issues from being isolated, etc. Taking the car out for a spin also has a risk of you getting hit by someone who can't drive well or a drunk driver. Life is full of risks and danger that can maim you at any time of day or night. So when it comes to suicide and ensuring that we die and resolve our problems via death, there is a risk. I knew the risks I was taking when I drank SN, I knew when I woke up, I shaved about 10-20 years off my life, I knew I may have lifelong complications, and I WAS OK WITH THAT. I am fine with failing and giving another chance to try again as long as I can move. And even if I was paralyzed, I do anything to ensure my death...if you can't feel anything you can set yourself on fire and not feel right? I think that's how it works.

Anyways, for you suicide may not be worth it because you are worried about maiming yourself or end up in more suffering. It's a legitimate worry and issue, but for myself and some of us in here, it is worth it even if we fail, at least we bring ourselves closer to death and are willing to try again. And again....and again. Sufferers have gone through the motions of wanting to die, needing to die, and then willing to die, then back to step 1 after an attempt. It's a personal choice to determine when you want to end it because only you have a tolerance meter of how much of life you're willing to accept before you say "Fuck it all".

/rant

 

[demuic]

When you are dead you have no regrets or problems.

 

[David]

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Endovascular Repair of Bilateral Carotid Dissection in a Near Hanging Victim

There is much debate in the literature regarding the management of blunt cervical carotid injuries. This report describes a case of bilateral carotid …

www.sciencedirect.com

[A case of common carotid artery stenosis due to hanging] - PubMed

We report a case of a 50-year-old woman with traumatic dissection of the right common carotid artery secondary to attempted suicidal hanging. Initial examination showed marks of strangulation on the neck, facial edema, and multiple conjunctival petechiae accompanied by difficulty in breathing...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Bilateral facial nerve palsies after a suicide attempt by hanging

n.neurology.org

Acute Extratemporal Facial Nerve Paralysis After a Suicide Attempt by Hanging

Traumatic paralysis of the facial nerve by external injury is the second most common cause of facial nerve paralysis after Bell's palsy. Causes of ext…

www.sciencedirect.com

look at these articles. hanging is not zero or one. for example you commit suicide and you die if nobody finds you OR you cant find your carotid artery and you are healthy and no problem. ( hanging is not this way )
you try to find your arteries and make some trials but maybe rope or cloth or anything else damage to your arteries veins and etc and you didn't commit suicide you just tried to see and understand and just test it.
today I tried it with rope ( it was just trial test) but after hours I have numbness in my left face and a little my hand.
we don't have rebar in our bodies. they are veins and arteries that can collapse or thrombosis or etc even with a little test not attempt for killing yourself

 

[WornOutLife]

Suicide actually makes more sense than existing and living until we're sick old grey sick individuals.
There should be nothing instead of something or at least, we should be given the possibility of leaving this hell peacefully whenever we wanted!

 

[TotallyIsolated]

look at these articles. hanging is not zero or one. for example you commit suicide and you die if nobody finds you OR you cant find your carotid artery and you are healthy and no problem.( hanging is not this way
you try to find your arteries and make some trials but maybe rope or cloth or anything else damage to your arteries veins and etc and you didn't commit suicide you just tried to see and understand and just test it.
today I tried it with rope ( it was just trial test) but after hours I have numbness in my left face and a little my hand.
we don't have rebar in our bodies. they are veins and arteries that can collapse or thrombosis or etc even with a little test not attempt for killing yourself

Yes, we know. There are risks involved with any method. Nothing worthwhile is easy, after all.

 

[Superdeterminist]

Gotta love "click-bait" titles like this that drop all context whatsover in order to make a blanket statement. I see a lot of them on this forum, going both ways: "Suicide is not worth it", "WE are in hell", Life is a mistake", etc.

Certain things are absolute, sure...but always in context. Not "relative", not "nuance", but in CONTEXT. Context is key.

I get that the title of this thread could be perceived as clickbaity, but the other two ("WE are in hell"), ("Life is a mistake"), idk I feel like those might actually be true lmao I mean it feels that way to me. Well, I'm half-joking really.

 

[demuic]

I get that the title of this thread could be perceived as clickbaity, but the other two ("WE are in hell"), ("Life is a mistake"), idk I feel like those might actually be true lmao I mean it feels that way to me. Well, I'm half-joking really.

They're both true :P

 

[watchingthewheels]

I get that the title of this thread could be perceived as clickbaity, but the other two ("WE are in hell"), ("Life is a mistake"), idk I feel like those might actually be true lmao I mean it feels that way to me. Well, I'm half-joking really.

"Feel like" being the key...most of the time, titles like that are what people are FEELING, and I get that; a lot of venting, to be sure. Usually, I just take it for what it is. I only usually bristle when they're posted as authoritative and/or prescriptive (one MUST do this, or SHOULD do this, and YOU must feel the way I do, etc...in order to validate themselves and their experiences...)

But philosophically and psychology (long-time personal areas of study for me), absolutist thinking like that is a concern, when it comes to suicide. A skewed view of what is/should do/must be is a major cause of suicidal thinking to begin with, reification of specific circumstances as the reality/whole for everyone and everything, without context. (And it's not always worth the effort to try to convince the person making the post/claim, because of their mental state, but in those cases, I might respond not for them, but for other readers, or for my own sake, even, as a reminder to be wary of other's mental states influencing my own.)

 

[Superdeterminist]

"Feel like" being the key...most of the time, titles like that are what people are FEELING, and I get that; a lot of venting, to be sure. Usually, I just take it for what it is. I only usually bristle when they're posted as authoritative and/or prescriptive (one MUST do this, or SHOULD do this, and YOU must feel the way I do, etc...)

But philosophically and psychology (long-time personal areas of study for me), absolutist thinking like that is a concern, when it comes to suicide. A skewed view of what is/should do/must be is a major cause of suicidal thinking to begin with. (And it's not always worth the effort to try to convince the person making the post/claim, because of their mental state, but in those cases, I might respond not for them, but for other readers, or for my own sake, even, as a reminder to be wary of other's mental states influencing my own.)

I agree, I try to remind myself that my awful experience and perception of life is personal to me - there are other people who literally view life in the polar opposite way, they can't believe how amazing life is, and everything in-between. It's insane how variable the human experience can be in terms of both what happens to us, but also how we feel about what happens to us. When I see an old man suffering from dementia, it depresses and worries me, but for others (and I've seen this personally), it might just increase their gratitude for being healthy and make them appreciate their life even more.

 

[watchingthewheels]

"Feel like" being the key...most of the time, titles like that are what people are FEELING, and I get that; a lot of venting, to be sure. Usually, I just take it for what it is. I only usually bristle when they're posted as authoritative and/or prescriptive (one MUST do this, or SHOULD do this, and YOU must feel the way I do, etc...in order to validate themselves and their experiences...)

But philosophically and psychology (long-time personal areas of study for me), absolutist thinking like that is a concern, when it comes to suicide. A skewed view of what is/should do/must be is a major cause of suicidal thinking to begin with, reification of specific circumstances as the reality/whole for everyone and everything, without context. (And it's not always worth the effort to try to convince the person making the post/claim, because of their mental state, but in those cases, I might respond not for them, but for other readers, or for my own sake, even, as a reminder to be wary of other's mental states influencing my own.)

Here, I have to add that even the reasons for suicide vary greatly...some are for medical reasons, some for mental, some, political; others, personal trauma...some because they're too innocent; others, because they're too guilty...it's not "one-size-fits-all"...

 

[Jojogu]

you can but be aware of this.

The only reason poor Jack was in this position was because his mother contacted the police after he went out for the evening and they found him hanging. The police, for some reason, began resuscitation efforts and he was subsequently revived. Consequently he went to hospital and was left with brain injuries. He passed a couple of years later, I believe. What I am saying, is that he would have been successful in his attempt had he of not been found and had the police not started to revive him.

 

[David]

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Subscription and open access journals from SAGE Publishing, the world's leading independent academic publisher.

journals.sagepub.com

Endovascular Repair of Bilateral Carotid Dissection in a Near Hanging Victim

There is much debate in the literature regarding the management of blunt cervical carotid injuries. This report describes a case of bilateral carotid …

www.sciencedirect.com

[A case of common carotid artery stenosis due to hanging] - PubMed

We report a case of a 50-year-old woman with traumatic dissection of the right common carotid artery secondary to attempted suicidal hanging. Initial examination showed marks of strangulation on the neck, facial edema, and multiple conjunctival petechiae accompanied by difficulty in breathing...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Bilateral facial nerve palsies after a suicide attempt by hanging

n.neurology.org

Acute Extratemporal Facial Nerve Paralysis After a Suicide Attempt by Hanging

Traumatic paralysis of the facial nerve by external injury is the second most common cause of facial nerve paralysis after Bell's palsy. Causes of ext…

www.sciencedirect.com

look at these articles. hanging is not zero or one. for example you commit suicide and you die if nobody finds you OR you cant find your carotid artery and you are healthy and no problem. ( hanging is not this way )
you try to find your arteries and make some trials but maybe rope or cloth or anything else damage to your arteries veins and etc and you didn't commit suicide you just tried to see and understand and just test it.
today I tried it with rope ( it was just trial test) but after hours I have numbness in my left face and a little my hand.
we don't have rebar in our bodies. they are veins and arteries that can collapse or thrombosis or etc even with a little test not attempt for killing yourself

It was all I wanted to say

 

[rs929]

It was all I wanted to say

I still believe I have done some damage to my brain or ears after several partial hanging attempts. Hard to prove though, but I find I'm having more issues understanding speech. It might be irrational though. I never even lost consciousness.

Anyway I'm not sure I get your message, I believe that you're trying to say that suicide attempts may likely leave your worse than before.

 

[FuneralCry]

Suicide is worth it if life is just never ending pain and suffering with no relief. I know that attempts have the chance of going wrong which is why we need assisted dying methods and a right to die in peace. It is inevitable in this world.

 

[Bat 17]

It was all I wanted to say

I think there's a mix-up between attempted suicide, completed suicide and failed suicide - they are different things

 

[Ch92921]

IF you are alone, no friends in a flat, your suicide should be certain.

I FUCKING hate this life.

 

[Some1's_Wasted_Fetus]

the prevention of their suffering outweighs the suffering of their child.

This forum is reaching new levels of absurdity I cannot even comprehend lol. You are assuming every child on here is coming from a loving, healthy, wealthy and stable home. Who gives a fuck what happens to the parents after they die? I'll be gone and won't have to worry about it. Suicide is selfish...along with every other action human beings take to live life. Human beings are selfish by nature. How many times do you hear people (who clearly shouldn't have kids and that would make terrible parents), talk about having kids to "preserve" some almighty legacy and have a miniature version of themselves running around so they can show boat them to their friends and family like a one up-man game? My parents have been trying to live their life through me to outweigh their own personal failures (I'm sure many people on this forum who are also dealing with narcissistic and abusive parents feel the same).

This is why I am so anti-natalist. You brought me into this world to suffer just to stroke your ego? For validation from others/to feel some empty void inside? How many of these parents with children who have debilitating conditions that make life much worse actually thought about the consequences of bringing a child into the world who could come out with a multitude of issues based on genetic lottery alone? I'm not taking that chance, and no-one should either. If you assume the responsibility of conceiving a child you should be prepared for ALL circumstances including outliving your child. Children can die prematurely from accidents, texting while driving, genetic disorders, depression, anxiety, BPD, etc. They should've known the rules before signing up to have a child. That shit is not our faults