Suicidal Predisposition and Morality.

[endofafoxtwo]

I have this idea that those with the strongest morals and ideals would be the most likely to commit suicide outside of "suicides of passion" and chronic illness.
I believe this for 3 reasons:
First, anyone with very strong moral convictions will also be the person who judges themself the harshest for moral crimes. If they grow up in a bad situation, I think these people would end up with very little self worth.
Second, because these people would be some of the most sensitive to societal decay. A very moral person being surrounded by evil 24/7 can't easily be happy.
Third, ancedotal evidence. All of the very best and honest people I have met were also always sad/dissatisfied with their life and the world they are in, more than any other group I have met.


What do you guys think?

 

[Valky]

high IQ often leads to suicide ideation. The things you mentioned prove a certain level of discovery and understanding - yknow what this is incredibly hard to explain.

It can be both an enlightenment and a curse to be so self aware of all the shit humans have brought each other into.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that is true. This world truly is a hellish place and I think that anyone who has awareness can recognise that this isn't a desirable place to exist in. Life truly is harmful with far too much meaningless and unnecessary suffering. "Happiness" is just people in denial, it's irrational to be happy in this reality.

 

[endofafoxtwo]

high IQ often leads to suicide ideation. The things you mentioned prove a certain level of discovery and understanding - yknow what this is incredibly hard to explain.

It can be both an enlightenment and a curse to be so self aware of all the shit humans have brought each other into.

that checks out. I was tested a 143.

I think that is true. This world truly is a hellish place and I think that anyone who has awareness can recognise that this isn't a desirable place to exist in. Life truly is harmful with far too much meaningless and unnecessary suffering. "Happiness" is just people in denial, it's irrational to be happy in this reality.

I cannot help but agree. I hate this place, I am so tired of seeing people abuse eachother and everything spiraling further and further. Nobody is really trying to make it better.

 

[NightshadeDreamer]

I actually never thought of it like this, I appreciate this cognitive approach and I agree. I do wonder how those with high morals might be heavily mentally affected by injustice and suffering in the world more. I was diagnosed with CPTSD and HSP and what you discussed is a top factor for why I often want to catch the bus. But I put it down to being overly sensitive. This just makes more sense now.

 

[endofafoxtwo]

I actually never thought of it like this, I appreciate this cognitive approach and I agree. I do wonder how those with high morals might be heavily mentally affected by injustice and suffering in the world more. I was diagnosed with CPTSD and HSP and what you discussed is a top factor for why I often want to catch the bus. But I put it down to being overly sensitive. This just makes more sense now.

Ay, my fellow sufferer ahaha. I am glad I could provide you with some value :)

 

[SleepingLessons]

Personally I relate to having high moral standards and being incredibly sensitive to bad things in the world due to strong empathy. But I know quite a few people who have been depressed due to circumstances in their life instead, but tend not to look or worry about the world outside them. I think it probably depends on the person, though I'm sure high empathy is a risk factor in developing mental issues.

 

[endofafoxtwo]

Personally I relate to having high moral standards and being incredibly sensitive to bad things in the world due to strong empathy. But I know quite a few people who have been depressed due to circumstances in their life instead, but tend not to look or worry about the world outside them. I think it probably depends on the person, though I'm sure high empathy is a risk factor in developing mental issues.

Ofc; Iam not saying that it is the only risk factor, just a significant one :)

 

[Unwr!tten]

I actually think this is true. I'm very suicidal for many reasons, but not necessarily because I think that I'm worthless or no one loves me, but I see it as my "Final Solution". If I'm at a point where I need help and have no other option, Suicide to me is that end all be all that I'll go to. For me it's a valid option that I have at my disposal and just that makes me feel better.

Like, having my SN and Zofran, I'm not overly eager to use them, just having them actually eases my mind in many ways, because I know, just hidden somewhere only I can access is my way out.

 

[Librarian]

I can't really relate to this so I don't know, I might be evidence for the contrary, I'm a moral nihilist, I have pretty low empathy and my self worth is fine. Tho I have chronic depression so i don't know if that would count as a chronic illness.

high IQ often leads to suicide ideation. The things you mentioned prove a certain level of discovery and understanding - yknow what this is incredibly hard to explain.

It can be both an enlightenment and a curse to be so self aware of all the shit humans have brought each other into.

I was tested at 115 iq so I don't know if that would be considered high but i guess it's slightly above average.

 

[Valky]

I can't really relate to this so I don't know, I might be evidence for the contrary, I'm a moral nihilist, I have pretty low empathy and my self worth is fine. Tho I have chronic depression so i don't know if that would count as a chronic illness.

I was tested at 115 iq so I don't know if that would be considered high but i guess it's slightly above average.

NO WAY, ME TOOOO. It is slightly above average, tho the test was a few years back so it is probably not accurate lol

 

[kwho]

I have this idea that those with the strongest morals and ideals would be the most likely to commit suicide outside of "suicides of passion" and chronic illness.
I believe this for 3 reasons:
First, anyone with very strong moral convictions will also be the person who judges themself the harshest for moral crimes. If they grow up in a bad situation, I think these people would end up with very little self worth.
Second, because these people would be some of the most sensitive to societal decay. A very moral person being surrounded by evil 24/7 can't easily be happy.
Third, ancedotal evidence. All of the very best and honest people I have met were also always sad/dissatisfied with their life and the world they are in, more than any other group I have met.


What do you guys think?

I agree.

The expression too good for this world illustrates it very well, i think.
Morality and inability to be untruthful to oneself is a very good predictor of suicidal ideation. Most people are just quite adept at burying their inner voice so deep, that it doesn't bother them all too much at all. May be in dreams. Or when they are left alone and with no distractions. But their true self doesn't really bleed too much into their everyday consciousness.