Help Suicidal people without a physical or mental disease ?

[istherehope]

Hi, I'd like to know if there are any of you who don't suffer from a mental or physical disease and are still suicidal.
I don't have a personality disorder or a physical condition and I do. I'd like to meet some people in the same situation.
Ty (:

 

[Rynalia]

Not gonna lie, this confuses me a bit.

Mental illness spans a very large array of different ailments, and doesn't necessarily only mean personality disorders. I mean, just look at the DSM-5 and you'll see what I mean.

Normal people don't think about killing themselves. I'm pretty sure that's why they can't begin to understand why anyone who is suicidal is the way they are.

If you have any relevant journals that have cases of suicidal ideation in the absence of any physical or mental ailments, I would love to read it. Seriously, that would be fascinating.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I neither suffer from mental nor physical disease. Yet I'm suicidal bc I failed big in life.

The major reason is a lack of money.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

I don't have a serious mental illness. Depression. However, what this society calls mental illness is often a normal reaction to its inequities and imbalances. I mean, it was once considered mental illness if an African American didn't want to be a slave. So, do with that what you will. But, yes, I'm still suicidal.

 

[Satori Komeiji]

I can't imagine such a thing existing? Maybe with psychoactive drugs it's possible? That is an interesting concept though. As Rynalia said, I'd love to see some journals or studies on such a thing :)

 

[zardoz]

Hi, I'd like to know if there are any of you who don't suffer from a mental or physical disease and are still suicidal.
I don't have a personality disorder or a physical condition and I do. I'd like to meet some people in the same situation.
Ty (:

Too vague, I think you'd need to define what constitutes a "mental disease" to get any meaningful response to that question.
Having suicidal thoughts counts in many people's view (inc the medical profession). Isn't that why we're all here?

 

[bankai]

I'm in excellent physical health. I'm pretty strong willed. I'm not diagnosed with any personality disorder. But I guess I'm suffering from anhedonia.I'm unhappy.

Actually, you know what? I'm not unhappy. It's more accurate to say I'm not happy. Or I can't be happy. Nothing gives me joy or happiness anymore.

 

[Rynalia]

I neither suffer from mental nor physical disease. Yet I'm suicidal bc I failed big in life.

The major reason is a lack of money.

This one is interesting. I found something somewhat related to this. However the sample size is very small. I'd love to look at more things, but it's kind of energy inefficient to keep at it.

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However, this still leaves me scratching my head. What are the mental mechanisms at play then? After a major life changing event, if the kneejerk reaction--let's say anxiety about the future starts taking hold and complicating daily life, is that not already a symptom of illness?

I'll concede the point where there not be a need for a diagnosed illness, however I'm not positive that there is no mental basis for the decision to carry out the act.

A person who commits suicide immediately after a catastrophic event would be hard to formally diagnose with a disorder due to potentially not checking enough boxes.

But if left alone to stew for months, or even years, is it possible to have such a major pain point in life that affects someone day-to-day and still not call it maladaptive to the point of being an illness?

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.

 

[The Unanswered Q]

People who are suicidal for circumstantial reasons, homelessness, living in an awful household, being in poverty, etc. Suicide to avoid being in awful living conditions.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

This one is interesting. I found something somewhat related to this. However the sample size is very small. I'd love to look at more things, but it's kind of energy inefficient to keep at it.

Here

However, this still leaves me scratching my head. What are the mental mechanisms at play then? After a major life changing event, if the kneejerk reaction--let's say anxiety about the future starts taking hold and complicating daily life, is that not already a symptom of illness?

I'll concede the point where there not be a need for a diagnosed illness, however I'm not positive that there is no mental basis for the decision to carry out the act.

A person who commits suicide immediately after a catastrophic event would be hard to formally diagnose with a disorder due to potentially not checking enough boxes.

But if left alone to stew for months, or even years, is it possible to have such a major pain point in life that affects someone day-to-day and still not call it maladaptive to the point of being an illness?

I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.

Financial stress, as well as other terrible life circumstances like @The Unanswered Q mentioned, can cause mental illness (depression, suicidal ideation, stress often leads to burnout and so on). It's not the illness itself that makes people suicidal. We become suicidal bc when our life circumstances, for whatever reason, are unbearable for us, we search for a way out to be relieved from suffering, pain and permanent unsolvable problems.

The earlier problems are solved, the better the chances to heal, but if stress lasts too long, depression and other mental illnesses become chronic over time, while the stress factors persist or even increase.

Not all mental disorders and physical illnesses have external circumstances as a reason.



I'd rather kms earlier than later, long before I would have to face homelessness and severe (mental) illness, for example.

 

[bankai]

Money, or the lack thereof, is an extremely common reason for CTB. Large number of stockbrokers have jumped off their penthouses during major crashes. But that's just a snippet. A lot of people just can't summon the will anymore at some point to go on struggling financially.Not to mention not being able to afford rent, food.

I will say one thing, people who already have no money and are born into a situation with no money are very less likely to suicide. But people who are well to do and successful and suddenly lose it all are the ones who usually do it since they cannot adjust.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I'm in excellent physical health. I'm pretty strong willed. I'm not diagnosed with any personality disorder. But I guess I'm suffering from anhedonia.I'm unhappy.

Actually, you know what? I'm not unhappy. It's more accurate to say I'm not happy. Or I can't be happy. Nothing gives me joy or happiness anymore.

I researched the word anhedonia and it is called a mental disease.

 

[bankai]

I researched the word anhedonia and it is called a mental disease.

Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have used that term. I don't know. It's mainly a lack of joy. I mean, for me to actually be suffering from that, I'd have to be diagnosed clinically.

I mean. Other from my lack of joy. Everything is good in life. So in that sense, at least, I'm not sure why I'm so suicidal.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

I'm neither mentally ill nor do I have any serious physical illnesses. I just don't like being alive

 

[Rynalia]

Financial stress, as well as other terrible life circumstances like @The Unanswered Q mentioned, can cause mental illness (depression, suicidal ideation, stress often leads to burnout and so on). It's not the illness itself that makes people suicidal. We become suicidal bc when our life circumstances, for whatever reason, are unbearable for us, we search for a way out to be relieved from suffering, pain and permanent unsolvable problems.

The earlier problems are solved, the better the chances to heal, but if stress lasts too long, depression and other mental illnesses become chronic over time, while the stress factors persist or even increase.

Not all mental disorders and physical illnesses have external circumstances as a reason.



I'd rather kms earlier than later, long before I would have to face homelessness and severe (mental) illness, for example.

I love talking about stuff like this. It's pretty fascinating. It's also super interesting to see all the research on it.

It just goes to show how differently people see things. I acknowledge that I speak very much so from the standpoint of someone who is very much so deeply conmected to the mental health system, for example.

I found this just now and it really does speak magnitudes when looking from a different perspective.

Thanks PM, we totally need to interact more (⁠◕⁠ᴗ⁠◕⁠✿⁠)

 

[Linda]

Hi, I'd like to know if there are any of you who don't suffer from a mental or physical disease and are still suicidal.
I don't have a personality disorder or a physical condition and I do. I'd like to meet some people in the same situation.
Ty (:

I don't have any pesonality disorder, and the physical conditions I have are not relevant to suicide. But I will ctb if my husband dies before me. I am just not interested in life if he is not there. It's as simple as that.

 

[CuriousPotato]

If your life gets destroyed several times in a row, always ending up worse than before, your dreams become impossible to achieve, your situation can no longer improve, only decline... then the only way to prevent further suffering is to permanently end it. It's sad to see nobody is willing to help these people resolve their issues, which makes said improvement in their circumstances impossible. Fixing things may be possible, but not alone. And nobody cares enough to do anything about it. That's my case, by the way.

And let's not forget how mental health comes to question with every mood change. Someone steals your cookie, you get sad, a doctor sees you, gives you a fancy Latin label and prescribes you anti-depression pills. You are now officially mentally ill. I might be exaggerating, but you just keep changing the severity of your misfortune and you're still labeled as mentally ill. Depression due to circumstances shouldn't be called a mental illness. Too much societal stigma comes with it.

Imagine if someone kept punching you in the stomach every day at random times. At some point you get prescribed antidepressants and antianxiety medication instead of preventing the punches.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I love talking about stuff like this. It's pretty fascinating. It's also super interesting to see all the research on it.

It just goes to show how differently people see things. I acknowledge that I speak very much so from the standpoint of someone who is very much so deeply conmected to the mental health system, for example.

I found this just now and it really does speak magnitudes when looking from a different perspective.

Thanks PM, we totally need to interact more (⁠◕⁠ᴗ⁠◕⁠✿⁠)

My PM is always open.

 

[Droso]

I personally think that suicide is a natural response to a dangerous and stressful environment. Along with other various mental disorders. The problem with defining a mental disorder is that it's very subjective.

Some people believe that if it negatively affects your life then there is something wrong with you. And if it negatively affects it to the point where you kill yourself, then you must be mentally ill.

What these people fail to realize is the fact that life is disordered itself. This of course is going to lead to pain, suffering, anhedonia and indifference. I personally believe this is a rational line of logic (I've made more in depth posts in the past). Sometimes people just aren't compatible with living because they genuinely dislike it. Sometimes people's survival instinct is so strong that when they feel such pain and suffering the best option is to permanently end it.

However, majority of the people on here would consider themselves to be suicidal because they are mentally ill. I also think that is a rational line of logic.

The idea that someone desiring to kill themselves is illogical and irrational is based in pro-life beliefs. I would also like to make the claim that the idea it is abnormal comes from pro-life beliefs, but I do not have the evidence to support that.

Committing suicide intentionally is not common. But there can be so many reasons for this that biases hold us back from finding. Is it truly abnormal or is it because society makes it so hard for one to do so? Many survivors feel pressured to give a story of regret in fear of being locked up again. Many people with suicidal thoughts stay on this earth for countless of reasons, mostly because of societal and political pressures. Not to mention the fact that it causes so much pain to the living when someone does die.

Writing this out I realize this isn't very on topic since you asked if there were other people like you. And there are. I just want you to know that it is hard to find these people because of how our world is structured and how omnipresent the idea that ctb must relate to mental/physical illness. I apologize if this wasn't helpful, but the topic intrigued me.

 

[dearlydeparted44]

If your life gets destroyed several times in a row, always ending up worse than before, your dreams become impossible to achieve, your situation can no longer improve, only decline... then the only way to prevent further suffering is to permanently end it. It's sad to see nobody is willing to help these people resolve their issues, which makes said improvement in their circumstances impossible. Fixing things may be possible, but not alone. And nobody cares enough to do anything about it. That's my case, by the way.

And let's not forget how mental health comes to question with every mood change. Someone steals your cookie, you get sad, a doctor sees you, gives you a fancy Latin label and prescribes you anti-depression pills. You are now officially mentally ill. I might be exaggerating, but you just keep changing the severity of your misfortune and you're still labeled as mentally ill. Depression due to circumstances shouldn't be called a mental illness. Too much societal stigma comes with it.

Imagine if someone kept punching you in the stomach every day at random times. At some point you get prescribed antidepressants and antianxiety medication instead of preventing the punches.

This is exactly why it's so hard for me to regain any enthusiasm for life. After being pissed on so much by life and then being a good sport about it all and just calling it 'rain', you lose that spark and motivation to give it another go. At some point, I just resigned that this is what life has planned for me. It's like how Doug Stanhope described suicide. If you've sat through a movie and it sucked the majority of the time, it's highly unlikely that the last 20 minutes of it is going to make up for the last 2 hours of stale ridiculousness. Sure, the idea of a comeback is intriguing. But that high goes away when I think about what I would have to do just to get a fleeting moment of so-called happiness.

In the end, I did my best with what I had and the understanding I developed. Given my life circumstances, I played the hand I was dealt as masterfully as I could. I'm tired and done with life. And I don't think it's mental illness to see life as it is. To see the human world as the unnecessary contest for nothing that it is. I guess this life and its humans have to pathologize the natural reactions to this world, as it affirms everything as right and there's nothing wrong with the world, just the individuals who find themselves at odds with its many absurdities. People can look at a suicide and just pass it off as mental illness and 'weakness.' They just weren't strong enough to stay in this blessing called life. "iT tAkeS mOrE sTrEnGtH tO lIvE!!!"

 

[J&L383]

I neither suffer from mental nor physical disease. Yet I'm suicidal bc I failed big in life.

The major reason is a lack of money.

Lack of money or financial resources to maintain the basics of living is actually not an unreasonable reason for wanting to end a life, in my opinion at least.

 

[Dejected 55]

That's the camp I'm in... I've just had a lifetime of setbacks and frustrations that I can no longer tolerate and no longer believe it can or will get better. I don't just want to die, but there is increasingly less other viable options for me to not feel pain.

People in constant physical pain from physical problems do not necessarily have mental illness when they want to die... and everyone has different pain tolerances so what might seem tolerable to you is not to someone else.

Society in general seems to avoid anti-social behavior, which is weird when you think about it... and some of us realize what is happening and is discourages and frustrates us. If you are someone who believes in and follows the rules, but you realize doing so actually holds you back while others around you skirt or outright break the rules and not only suffer no consequence but get success from it... that's not mental illness for you to be depressed and frustrated by skewed reality.

There are LOTS of psychological studies about this sort of thing. Some of the more famous ones revolve around a teacher in a class randomly picking a student out of the class to pick on, and as no one in class steps up to question or defend that student, the teacher will up the unfair treatment of that one student... sometimes other students join in to fit in, while others sit idly by doing nothing. Eventually the teacher gives up the ghost and asks why no one questioned the irrational singling out of that one student... usually people in the class don't have a good answer. BUT this happens in real life, not as an experiment... and the psychologist would be more likely to diagnose and try to treat that isolated/oppressed student for their sadness at the unfair treatment they get than they would the rest of the class for going along with it... and yet, to the outside observer it seems clear that the oppressed student is the only one behaving in a way that makes sense.

And in real life, that happens enough to you over time... suicide starts to look like your only way out when you live in a world that makes no sense and doesn't even obey its own rules... you aren't the one with the problem, but you can't do anything to improve your situation.

 

[Unknown21]

People who are suicidal for circumstantial reasons, homelessness, living in an awful household, being in poverty, etc. Suicide to avoid being in awful living conditions.

That's pretty much me but I also have mental illness sadly.

 

[bankai]

People who are suicidal for circumstantial reasons, homelessness, living in an awful household, being in poverty, etc. Suicide to avoid being in awful living conditions.

Whenever I read about homelessness causing suicide, I think about this thread that was posted here about a mother and son who casually walked into a store Bought 2 USB cables and then immediately hung themselves behind the store through partial hanging.Such a difficult story to stomach. And also somewhat absurd, but understandable.

Partial Hanging Success Story

These people successfully completed a partial hanging from a dumpster. Why is this so easy to accomplish for some people and impossible for others? There have been doctoral dissertations written about this on here and some people can’t seem to pull it off.

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Hangman.]

Suicide without physical or mental disease is not rare. I remember being suicidal even when I had no serious diseases.
But after getting diagnosed my desire for ctb increased on a very high level.

 

[Life Is My Coffin]

To make some sense of OP's question, she's asking if some traumatic life event has left a person deeply depressed and wanting to CTB, but at the same time do not suffer from mental
ailments like major depressive disorder or a personality disorder which continually follows you through life