LastDay
Soon, my dear big sister
- Dec 29, 2018
- 103
What about going to a busy bridge and drawing attention to yourself that you will jump? That's how it usually is in the movies anyway.
Misanthrope
Mage
- Oct 23, 2018
- 557
Well I would rather you exploit how they arrive at risk assessments than attempt something that may leave you a vegetable. But I can only help there if you happen to be in the Uk?
I'm in the US, but can you please explain a little bit more what you mean?
I can't. I know it doesn't make sense, but I can't. I feel like they would think I was solely looking for attention.
Misanthrope
Mage
- Oct 23, 2018
- 557
I don't think I can help you rope. In the Uk the people that get you hospitalised look for a certain criteria. But it is not just what you say but also the language you use as well as legal considerations. If you want to ensure admittance you have to tick all the right boxes. I don't know the American boxes and so it would be wrong of me to advise further. I am sorry Rope. Do you feel they are not taking you seriously already?
About_to_Go
It deepens like a coastal shelf
- Mar 20, 2018
- 303
It doesn't hurt to try, and then if it doesn't work you can try something else. I'm just trying to save you from what might be a lot of trouble.
Thanks anyway. To be honest, I know exactly what I have to say and do to get put in the hospital here. Again, I know I'm not making total sense but I know I could get in the hospital by saying these things alone, but that's not enough for me.
I think people are taking me seriously but I also think that they are comparing me to when I was at my worst, which makes me look a lot better (mentally) then I think I really am. Not sure that makes sense, but essentially they think I am better than I am. I feel like I am wasting people's time more than they are not taking me seriously. If I were to hurt myself, my thinking goes, I wouldn't be wasting that time/treatment.
I really do appreciate that (as I appreciate all the comments in this thread!). I am still considering exactly what to do, so I will keep considering asking to be admitted.
I don't know how it is in the US or even in whatever particular institution you go to but I can tell you that my experience with being institutionalized was horrible. Like straight out of a horror movie.
Not sure if you really want to be in that place..
But either way please be careful not to mess yourself up. Suicide is hard because it's too easy to survive and be even more disabled. Maybe even more so when you intentionally try to survive.
Not sure if you really want to be in that place..
But either way please be careful not to mess yourself up. Suicide is hard because it's too easy to survive and be even more disabled. Maybe even more so when you intentionally try to survive.
Misanthrope
Mage
- Oct 23, 2018
- 557
You are not wasting their time, your on this site for fuck sake. If anything is a strong indicator of distress it is that. So you are not wasting their time. You have every right to be making use of their time, that is what they are there for. What they trained in and get paid for. You know you are in need. Don't do something drastic as means to prove that. Accept what you know to be true and act on it to get the help you are owed. You should not have to suffer to this extent and being wracked with if you are wasting their time or not, even further shows you are not doing well. With all that evidence in mind you should maybe take the gamble of telling them the extent of this desperation. To tip it over the edge maybe even write it down and hand it to them. So there is physical evidence that now will wind up in notes which they are less likely to potentially ignore. Try and show how close to the edge you feel you are. Do you have no other alternatives to hospital?
I really have to agree with @Misanthrope, @jumprope. Pretty much everything he just wrote is spot on.
This is an especially good idea: where there's physical evidence, there are lawyers, and doctors are very nervous about lawyers.
As other people have said, there's not any safe way to do it. There has got to be another way to get help, such as calling the suicide hotline, tell them you have a plan, and you'll get admitted. But there's always the risk you could go too far and die. Or suffer from permanent damage.
As a teenager, I did a few attempts/gestures. They were a combination. I realized I would either die or get help, and I was ok with either one. I was warned that if I ever tried again, we'd be looking at permanent kidney damage.
Some people also try gestures and go too far.
It's best to only do these things if you're 100% committed to it.
As a teenager, I did a few attempts/gestures. They were a combination. I realized I would either die or get help, and I was ok with either one. I was warned that if I ever tried again, we'd be looking at permanent kidney damage.
Some people also try gestures and go too far.
It's best to only do these things if you're 100% committed to it.
511115
_.__-_.__
- Jan 4, 2019
- 45
At first I was sorta pissed, cuz I've been working so hard to plan my suicide and you're planning to fucking fake one.
But after reading your responses, I totally get it. That shitty helpless feeling when "professionals" are condescending as fuck and blowing you off because you're supposedly "better" according to them. They sort of smile and nod and act like you're some dumb kid insisting there's a fire when there's not.
You want to prove there is a goddamn fire.
Well, apparently, self harm is somehow very serious. We can destroy our livers with drugs, give ourselves diabetes with sugar, ruin our heart with a shit diet, but oh no, slice your arm and you need immediate hospitalization!!!!!!
If you're willing to fuck your arms (or legs) up, you will be taken really seriously, even though it shouldn't be a big deal. You could just say you've been so suicidal and miserable you resorted to self harm, then show them some nice fat cuts and seeping 3rd degree burns.
You will have scars for life with this method, however. But bonus is no lying, no faking, and low risk of death.
But after reading your responses, I totally get it. That shitty helpless feeling when "professionals" are condescending as fuck and blowing you off because you're supposedly "better" according to them. They sort of smile and nod and act like you're some dumb kid insisting there's a fire when there's not.
You want to prove there is a goddamn fire.
Well, apparently, self harm is somehow very serious. We can destroy our livers with drugs, give ourselves diabetes with sugar, ruin our heart with a shit diet, but oh no, slice your arm and you need immediate hospitalization!!!!!!
If you're willing to fuck your arms (or legs) up, you will be taken really seriously, even though it shouldn't be a big deal. You could just say you've been so suicidal and miserable you resorted to self harm, then show them some nice fat cuts and seeping 3rd degree burns.
You will have scars for life with this method, however. But bonus is no lying, no faking, and low risk of death.
I'm so sorry you are hurting so much and not having that taken at face value is demeaning and demoralising.
Sometimes, when you are surrounded by mental health workers, it feels like you are screaming and no-one is hearing you. Like a silent scream of agony.
If you can deal with the scarring then a good ol' fashioned wrist slash is a meaningful gesture. It's rarely fatal *God, fingers crossed in your case!* and gets the point across with plenty of lovely visuals and bandages. It was effective for someone I knew who was trying to achieve what you are.
All the best to you xx
Lol I know what you mean about horror movie. I voluntary attended a two week stay safe course at the warenford day hospital in Oxford. (Take a look at the pic)I don't know why they don't just put a sign on the front saying mental asylum. Was so glad to get away from there. Made me feel worse. How are people with mental health issues supposed to get better when your treated in a creepy old building? Can't imagine what it would be like to get sectioned there!
For me I have a long way to go before I am happy and not depressed but I've been given all the tools and info I need. There is nothing more mental health people can do because they can't magic up good friends for me. They can't take away from the fact that I was happy and I threw it away without meaning to. I can't replace what I lost just like that. I might try for the rest of my life and never succeed. All I know is being in a creepy old asylum looking building made me feel like I had more problems. For me the sharp contrast in how my life changed is something that I still don't know how to move on from. Here's what I mean. Last April I was the happiest I have ever known. I was at Disneyland Paris. The sun was out. I had friend and love and a life. 5 months later I cry every day experiment with suicide and have been in a mental health hospital
Pulpit2018
Experienced
- Oct 8, 2018
- 287
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This comment really helped me see some things in perspective. Thank you.
I still feel like I'm a fake or unworthy (I know this is messed up) and am still not sure I can write or tell the doctor what I need to, but I feel like this makes sense to me. So thank you.
I think I am one of the rare people who went to a good hospital (after a string of bad ones), where I actually felt as though I'd been helped. I wish everyone could have this kind of experience.Be careful what you wish for....
I would not wish that on my worst enemies.
MEoDP
Specialist
- Sep 2, 2018
- 347
I've posted a thread like this myself in the past when I was active.
I think the most important thing to keep in mind is;
...You have to be ok with dying. If you're going to attempt a gesture,you have to come to terms with the fact that you may accidentally die in the process,and be ok with it,because death will also alleviate whatever suffering you have to deal with. Without this determination,you open things up to going wrong. (I'm sure I don't need to tell you about failed suicide attempts that have ended in permanent vegetation)
If I were you(and you're serious about all this),I would make a REAL suicide attempt(choose a method that has the highest chance of guaranteeing death with minimal pain that is available to you)and simply have the gesture as a secondary fail-safe option. (i.e someone unexpectedly comes to your rescue,but you're not counting on that,nor are you trying to set up conditions for that to happen) Whether you die or you're saved with everyone getting a rude awakening,your problem will be solved.
Edit: If you have access to it,I'd recommend overdosing on heroin.
I think the most important thing to keep in mind is;
...You have to be ok with dying. If you're going to attempt a gesture,you have to come to terms with the fact that you may accidentally die in the process,and be ok with it,because death will also alleviate whatever suffering you have to deal with. Without this determination,you open things up to going wrong. (I'm sure I don't need to tell you about failed suicide attempts that have ended in permanent vegetation)
If I were you(and you're serious about all this),I would make a REAL suicide attempt(choose a method that has the highest chance of guaranteeing death with minimal pain that is available to you)and simply have the gesture as a secondary fail-safe option. (i.e someone unexpectedly comes to your rescue,but you're not counting on that,nor are you trying to set up conditions for that to happen) Whether you die or you're saved with everyone getting a rude awakening,your problem will be solved.
Edit: If you have access to it,I'd recommend overdosing on heroin.
I think my plan as of right now is to try to OD on amitriptyline and try to plan someone to find me before its too late. And if they don't... I guess they don't.
Thanks for all the advice in this thread. I knew it would be a controversial topic, but you guys really rose to the occasional and lived up to the pro-choice spirit of the site. Thanks.
painoflife
Arcanist
- Jul 27, 2019
- 491
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