Sucidal person should not encourage ppl to kill themselves but try to help them

[VikingHagstrom]

I get it is a pro choice forum and i am a pro choice person also (i have my sn ready), if we are allowed to be born and live we should be allowed to die legally also.
But since this forum is filled with depressed people and spitting on anyone who is trying to help another seeing a way to live, everybody is encouraging eachother to die quickly. Most of the people here just want some help and just to be heard, cuz in society we can t say we wanna die without being sent to a psych ward instantly.

Just try to help ppl instead of encouraging them to kill themselves

 

[jackodonnell]

I get very torn about this. As someone who, through my own choices, has lost my chance at a happy life, is committed to suicide (or at least am trying to get there), I always hear about other people in pain and want to help. But there's also a morbid fascination I think because when we decide on a method we want to make sure it works so when we see someone use our chosen method we're rooting for them almost. It's a strange relationship for sure.

 

[Cynic]

If someone is truly driven to die enough they'll find a way to do so, safe or not. I think it's better to help people do it safely than to let them do it dangerously and risk them going out terribly, or having to live in a vegetative state

 

[wljourney]

I do see how you would perceive some posts as "encouraging to CTB", but I too see a whole lot of support and encouragement of people to not make rash decisions. To read up on their methods.

I think this forum has probably saved quite a number of people from harming themselves by taking drug overdoses that wouldn't result in death but in serious illness/injury.

The community here is open and I value being able to talk openly about suicidal ideations because it offers a "release". Just like the valve of a pressure cooker.

 

[Foresight]

I always offer words in the direction of comfort because the way I see is that either someone recovers or they die having experienced more kindness towards the end. I never encourage defeating ideas in response to another. I think people should be as raw and honest in their feelings as possible in their own threads though. If you feel everything is awful and hopeless please say so, you have a right. I just try to say something comforting in response.

I think people should express their truth. I actually don't agree that most people here want "help" per se. They want communication, they want understanding, they want to be heard, they want assistance with safety in their valid methods. They don't want counselors. If someone is seeking advice it's usually obviously stated. We're not here to undermine someone's own analysis of their personal situation. Just stay kind to others and be respectful. Many of us don't receive a whole lot of kindness or respect in the world so it's nice to get it somewhere.

 

[Darkover]

someone should setup a shop selling N and SN let the mass exodus start

 

[FuneralCry]

Being pro choice means respecting other people's decisions whether they choose to live or die. If someone says they will ctb then others should respect that, it is their life and their decision and nobody else has any say in it. There is no encouragement, it is made perfectly clear that it is the individuals decision whether they go through with it or not. In a world filled with meaningless suffering, the right to die should always be respected. To try and force others to live against their wishes is cruel.

 

[waitingforrest]

I don't understand how we encourage others to ctb quickly. Nothing can stop people from doing things they want, if there's a will, there's a way. I'm just words on a screen, words can only do so much and at the end of the day, it's is still people's choice on what they want.

For me it's insulting to say positive affirmations as "helping". It's like stepping on someone and indirectly saying, look how good my life is and how I got better and you didn't and you didn't try hard enough.

What even constitutes as helping if it is viewed by the lenses that society dictates is right, unable to see how their help can make things worse. How the help comes with a price tag that many can't afford. Would it really be considered helping if hospitals people into treatments "for their own good"?

What is help anyways if the definition of it is decided by what people believe will help?

 

[existcrisisactor]

I get it is a pro choice forum and i am a pro choice person also (i have my sn ready), if we are allowed to be born and live we should be allowed to die legally also.
But since this forum is filled with depressed people and spitting on anyone who is trying to help another seeing a way to live, everybody is encouraging eachother to die quickly. Most of the people here just want some help and just to be heard, cuz in society we can t say we wanna die without being sent to a psych ward instantly.

Just try to help ppl instead of encouraging them to kill themselves

and how should we encourage them? with stupid platitudes and predicting their future?

 

[Maaizr]

what a useless thread

 

[Al Cappella]

Encouraging someone to commit suicide is idiotic and criminal in most people. You're almost certainly right, folks just want to be heard—so if you can, listen to them. Empathize, don't judge. Ask caring, non-stupid questions. If it's a legitimate quality of life issue, then the point is to be supportive and comforting. Folks will tell you what they want.

Where it gets tricky is with young adults who are convinced their life is over for whatever reason. But really, the same ideas apply I would think. Don't judge, or minimize—but keep an eye on your own health and have decent boundaries. In all cases, a lot of it deals with venting.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

and how should we encourage them? with stupid platitudes and predicting their future?

Agreed. Platitudes don't do anything. I cannot even understand how people can blatantly lie by saying things WILL get better. Sure, for some people it might, but not for everyone. And what exactly does better mean? Significantly better? Or a tiny insignificant percentage better?

Some lives aren't lost causes, but mine personally is. Now, I think it would be pretty hypocritical of me to convince someone not to commit suicide when I myself have been yearning to. However, I won't encourage it. I just remain neutral and leave it up to the individual's choice if their life is worth living or not.

 

[motel rooms]

Platitudes don't do anything. I cannot even understand how people can blatantly lie by saying things WILL get better. Sure, for some people it might, but not for everyone.

It's actually not true that platitudes don't do anything. They insult people & make them feel worse.

 

[Klo]

I get it is a pro choice forum and i am a pro choice person also (i have my sn ready), if we are allowed to be born and live we should be allowed to die legally also.
But since this forum is filled with depressed people and spitting on anyone who is trying to help another seeing a way to live, everybody is encouraging eachother to die quickly. Most of the people here just want some help and just to be heard, cuz in society we can t say we wanna die without being sent to a psych ward instantly.

Just try to help ppl instead of encouraging them to kill themselves

I haven't seen people cheering suicide on. The most I've seen is that people wish others well and wish for peace. I don't see anything wrong with that and I certainly didn't come here to be convinced I should live. I think everyone should be respectful of people's free will. Cheering for death is unbecoming but I have not seen it yet on ss.

 

[sfabians]

There is a recovery sub forum, and it says "Receive support, help others in need, form partnerships to get better, or just spend some time breathing in positivity."

 

[thereisthemist]

what a useless thread

this, triggering while true in a sense lmao

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