Stop scaring people from death

[Brick In The Wall]

I often wonder if Chester or Robin Williams thought the same way, as they both lived pretty fulfilling lives, as well.

I'm sure for people as esteemed as they were they probably felt they'd reached their peak. I know Robin Williams had many medical issues and feared what would come along with them. It's probably the old adage of quitting while you're ahead, or ending it on a high note.

 

[I’vehadenough]

Best of luck with that interview, when it does happen. You'll be capable of the best route in regards to CTB and everyone deserves a shot at that

Thank you...if I could wait that long lol

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

Just thinking about how I didn't have the chance to live my full life when things were finally coming together makes me want to jump off a bridge right fucking now

Waiting for this Dignitas interview is agonizing

I feel you, my situation is similar, it's agonizing.

 

[I’vehadenough]

I feel you, my situation is similar, it's agonizing.

What do you do to pass the time? Bc everyday I have to stop myself from ctb since I know I will likely get assisted suicide, but it's a struggle waiting

 

[Soulless_Angel]

Not read all replies, so if I repeat then sorry, if i talk bullshit then not sorry!!

I think people don't fear death, I believe they fear their non existence and what they will miss, whether they will be missed/remembered, To those of us on the path of CTB, they talk of a better life and the opportunities ahead of us, for many of us wanting death sooner, those opportunities we are realistic and know its many a pointless dream. For those who insist we live to appease their mindset, once they fell they get us *over this blip* forget to check in on us in a years time too see if those chances have fallen upon us. Of which i am certain they won't, but those people won't care, they just want us to live, as death means a life they will never live or have

 

[KiraLittleOwl]

What do you do to pass the time? Bc everyday I have to stop myself from ctb since I know I will likely get assisted suicide, but it's a struggle waiting

Nothing really, I just lay in bed all day, chain smoking and reading suicide forums because everything else is triggering. Sometimes crying and wailing.
My SN is still on the way...

 

[Santiago]

It's the same as before you were born. Non existance. You won't know you're dead when you die, that's why it's nothing to be afraid of. What's scarier is living a life where you are tortured everyday and time will only make it worse. If you still have pleasure in life, don't kill yourself. I don't, so I welcome death

I agree with that. My point is that non-existence is something we can't grasp at all.

I am not afraid of death either (I am of dying). However I have trouble make the comparison between life and death. I can't compare them and say one is better or worse than the other since one of them is unknown.

It's a bit hard to explain what I am trying to say so maybe some won't get it

 

[I’vehadenough]

I agree with that. My point is that non-existence is something we can't grasp at all.

I am not afraid of death either (I am of dying). However I have trouble make the comparison between life and death. I can't compare them and say one is better or worse than the other since one of them is unknown.

It's a bit hard to explain what I am trying to say so maybe some won't get it

It's true. Hamlet kept debating on whether to live in pain or die and go into the unknown, an undiscovered country. Ironically, he's killed at the end anyway

 

[Santiago]

It's true. Hamlet kept debating on whether to live in pain or die and go into the unknown, an undiscovered country. Ironically, he's killed at the end anyway

Death is a weird concept I guess.

The unknown to me is also just non-existence (like before you were born), but still it's something we try to think about while we can't.

I am not even sure if the worst moments of our lives are worse than not existing.

 

[I’vehadenough]

Well a health care professional I know is going to get material and resources together for me that celebrate death instead of make us fear it. If I come across anything good, I'll share it

 

[Sensei]

When nearing his end, George Orwell wrote that he feared the pain and the moment of death, but not that he would cease existing. That sums up my view on death quite well.

 

[a.h]

Everyone fears death to some extent... some more than others, perhaps. It's hard coded into our DNA. It makes sense that people project their fear of death onto others, even if I personally haven't seen that attitude on here. I mainly see death being something to be welcomed – I sometimes question the authenticity of these claims. Are people really that stoic on here or are they trying to convince themselves? You really can't be human without a fear of death, after all.

And as for David Bowie: a few really, really good songs and the rest is fine.

People with nde aren't afraid of death. I believe them also who say they only fear the failure or pain.
I personally see death as a grand journey and going home (after my nde). For me it was like waking up from a dream (life on earth) and having so much better senses, having all knowledge, peace, love and tranquility and remembering that I am in my real element and I was so happy. It felt good to have no fear, pain, constant intrusive thoughts of something ( most people can't stop thinking something while awake) irrelevant, to have nothing negative but only bliss. For me it's like moving to a better place/going home.

I felt no pain or discomfort from dieing to suffocation. I felt only more and more good and euphoric as the time passed. I had no fear, sadness or guilt for leaving loved ones behind or any other negative thoughts. I had very happy life and family and friends I loved dearly (never thought of wanting to die and was little afraid of it before the accident). But I felt I was going to a good place and wanted to let go of this world and people very willingly. I have read many nde stories and they all say the same thing though when people have drowned they often say they felt panic first which turned to euphoria and bliss fast.

I think that social psychology can explain well where fear of death and religions comes from. When people started to live in bigger communities there was no loving bonds and trust among people and if someone for example stole something it would be hard to know who did it and confront him. So to control the masses people needed to create belief in God/gods who can see everything and punish people of any wrong doing. And since everyone could see it as a bluff since no God came to punish for crimes it was invented that the punishment would come after death and reward to those who followed the rules. For me it makes sense and the fact that religious texts and interpretation of them have changed by time and place according to needs of those in power.

It's just sad how much hate, fear and wars religions cause. It would be better if people just believed in love. Love yourself and others and do no harm.

I can't stop believing in good afterlife since my nde was for me more true than anything in this earthly life. But nothingness is as good as best of afterlife. I dream of it many times.

Nothingness is not same as sleeping. Anyone who has been in anesthesia know there is nothing to fear of it. They fall in sleep and wake up many hours later or next day and none of them can say anything negative about the "nothingness".

I believe that nature is good and to sustain earthly life on earth death is just as good as birth.
If people lived forever and new people were born then they would all suffer forever then. Even if no new people were made after finding way to live forever that sounds something that most people wouldn't want.

Medical personnel tell the truth in media and most reporters about real subjects. I have read many news of the accidental deaths/suicides/euthanasia by certain ways. And every single news (100%) say that their death was painless. Medical facts tell that and in those accidents there was no signs of distress or efforts to survive either.

Then there are people who for some reason make web sites which claim that every method for euthanasia are very painfull and they write one page long horror story of every method mentioned in Peacefull pill handbook etc. Not taking in any consideration the fact that people are knocked down fast like in anesthesia with those methods and how our brains create euphoria from lack of air which causes many accidents or any testimonies of people who have had the experiment (people whose heart and breathing has stopped for minutes).

Researchers say that most people weren't afraid of death in times when lifespan was a lot shorter and when everyone had seen corpses of family and friends and buried them. Death was seen as a natural thing and there was no mystification of it. Making death a taboo to talk about makes people afraid of it. And telling truth about dieing can be seen with some people as supporting suicide. Now most people aren't just afraid of death and dieing but they are afraid of getting old and see that as a negative thing since it leads eventually to dieing and death.

For some reason everything I have written came as long essey. As a philosopher I can't write shortly anyways.

 

[I’vehadenough]

People with nde aren't afraid of death. I believe them also who say they only fear the failure or pain.
I personally see death as a grand journey and going home (after my nde). For me it was like waking up from a dream (life on earth) and having so much better senses, having all knowledge, peace, love and tranquility and remembering that I am in my real element and I was so happy. It felt good to have no fear, pain, constant intrusive thoughts of something ( most people can't stop thinking something while awake) irrelevant, to have nothing negative but only bliss. For me it's like moving to a better place/going home.

I felt no pain or discomfort from dieing to suffocation. I felt only more and more good and euphoric as the time passed. I had no fear, sadness or guilt for leaving loved ones behind or any other negative thoughts. I had very happy life and family and friends I loved dearly (never thought of wanting to die and was little afraid of it before the accident). But I felt I was going to a good place and wanted to let go of this world and people very willingly. I have read many nde stories and they all say the same thing though when people have drowned they often say they felt panic first which turned to euphoria and bliss fast.

I think that social psychology can explain well where fear of death and religions comes from. When people started to live in bigger communities there was no loving bonds and trust among people and if someone for example stole something it would be hard to know who did it and confront him. So to control the masses people needed to create belief in God/gods who can see everything and punish people of any wrong doing. And since everyone could see it as a bluff since no God came to punish for crimes it was invented that the punishment would come after death and reward to those who followed the rules. For me it makes sense and the fact that religious texts and interpretation of them have changed by time and place according to needs of those in power.

It's just sad how much hate, fear and wars religions cause. It would be better if people just believed in love. Love yourself and others and do no harm.

I can't stop believing in good afterlife since my nde was for me more true than anything in this earthly life. But nothingness is as good as best of afterlife. I dream of it many times.

Nothingness is not same as sleeping. Anyone who has been in anesthesia know there is nothing to fear of it. They fall in sleep and wake up many hours later or next day and none of them can say anything negative about the "nothingness".

I believe that nature is good and to sustain earthly life on earth death is just as good as birth.
If people lived forever and new people were born then they would all suffer forever then. Even if no new people were made after finding way to live forever that sounds something that most people wouldn't want.

Medical personnel tell the truth in media and most reporters about real subjects. I have read many news of the accidental deaths/suicides/euthanasia by certain ways. And every single news (100%) say that their death was painless. Medical facts tell that and in those accidents there was no signs of distress or efforts to survive either.

Then there are people who for some reason make web sites which claim that every method for euthanasia are very painfull and they write one page long horror story of every method mentioned in Peacefull pill handbook etc. Not taking in any consideration the fact that people are knocked down fast like in anesthesia with those methods and how our brains create euphoria from lack of air which causes many accidents or any testimonies of people who have had the experiment (people whose heart and breathing has stopped for minutes).

Researchers say that most people weren't afraid of death in times when lifespan was a lot shorter and when everyone had seen corpses of family and friends and buried them. Death was seen as a natural thing and there was no mystification of it. Making death a taboo to talk about makes people afraid of it. And telling truth about dieing can be seen with some people as supporting suicide. Now most people aren't just afraid of death and dieing but they are afraid of getting old and see that as a negative thing since it leads eventually to dieing and death.

For some reason everything I have written came as long essey. As a philosopher I can't write shortly anyways.

How did you nearly die?

 

[riverstyx]

I don't fear being dead. Dying, being within your last days or hours on this earth, is another matter.

What if you're in pain, both physical and mental? Maybe you'll experience shortness of breath or being unable to eat properly.

Doesn't seem like something I would enjoy, so if I had my way I would skip that part of life entirely.

If I only had a suicide pill that could put me to sleep when I felt my time has come.

Yes i agree with what you say there.
Every night when you sleep you go away , at least i do. So in a way you die every night don't you , when in a deep sleep? The bad part for me is waking up
and i have all these horrible problems to deal with.

Nabokov and Mark Twain also say something similar and I agree with them.

Nabokov:
"The cradle rocks above an abyss, and common sense tells us that our existence is but a brief crack of light between two eternities of darkness. Although the two are identical twins, man, as a rule, views the prenatal abyss with more calm than the one he is heading for (at some forty-five hundred heartbeats an hour)"

Mark Twain :""I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it."

Great quotes.

 

[a.h]

E="I'vehadenough, post: 496269, member: 2639"]
How did you nearly die?
[/QUOTE]

My throat got swallen up so that I got only little air and then none.
I was kid who would go cry out to mom of little cut in finger. But not for that.

It amazes me that dieing wasn't just totally painless but felt really good and peacefull.
I think it felt same as before the surgeries I had had where I was given drugs that made me sleepy and happy.

I have read maybe most of the nde experiences in Internet after that. And they all say (adults and kids) they had similar experience when dieing from lack of air.

I still think that people should think hard and try everything else before ctb voluntarily.

How did you nearly die?

How did you nearly die?

 

[desertdreamer]

I read so many post about analyzing death is a forever sleep or point of no return etc. As if only people commiting suicide are subjected to a horrifying fate.

We all die and whether it happens now or 50 years from now, it will happen. So stop trying to scare people out of it who relay on it as the only way out of a shitty life or situation.

If you are suicidal, chances are good that you are living with something worse than death anyway

My thoughts exactly. Too much is made out of choosing to die. People are temporary. We are all going to die. Choosing to leave early simply alleviates suffering and leaves more resources for others. I have never wanted to live past a certain age anyway, so I have always assumed my life would end by my own hand. It should be easier to accomplish. Then it wouldn't have to be so messy for other people when they discover a body.

 

[c824767]

You are so right. Death is a part of every life and we should be afraid of it, we should be curious about it and eccept ist as part of us

People are afraid because we have no eyewitness reports about it.

E="I'vehadenough, post: 496269, member: 2639"]
How did you nearly die?

My throat got swallen up so that I got only little air and then none.
I was kid who would go cry out to mom of little cut in finger. But not for that.

It amazes me that dieing wasn't just totally painless but felt really good and peacefull.
I think it felt same as before the surgeries I had had where I was given drugs that made me sleepy and happy.

I have read maybe most of the nde experiences in Internet after that. And they all say (adults and kids) they had similar experience when dieing from lack of air.

I still think that people should think hard and try everything else before ctb voluntarily.
[/QUOTE]
I felt so good when I passed out from hanging. But we do not know whether that is the end-all of death. There might be different stages, it is all a big mystery.

 

[a.h]

Simply put we all die and some people deside to go earlier.

In both cases loved ones will miss them equally. But cladly time heals and they will be together when they die also.

Death is a release from the impressions of the senses, and from desires that make us their puppets, and from the vagaries of the mind, and from the hard service of the flesh.
Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

 

[vonvonwantpeace]

Death may be the best part of life.

 

[a.h]

I believe it truelly is.

I wish that people saw it differently.

Every person who have "died" want to go back and say they miss back there every day.
I miss the good and peacefull feeling and safety. And like others I felt the overpowering love that can't be found in earth. It was so compelling that there was no way that I would have gone back to my life even I saw my parents cry in hospital and I really loved them. I wished they would be happy for me, not sad.

The death was completely the opposite what many people thought.


I think that people are also afraid to talk about death positively because others may say they are suicidal and nuts and because they could be accused of triggering someone who had minor problems in life. I am sure that nobody has died because of that and there is no theory that claims that to be the case. One youtuber got tons of hatemail because she said death is like reset button and there is nothing wrong with it. Nde pages had to add sentence Suicide is not the answer to avoid similar accusations.

But every philosopher and smart people say that death is natural and good. It is only bad for the ones who miss them.

 

[I’vehadenough]

My thoughts exactly. Too much is made out of choosing to die. People are temporary. We are all going to die. Choosing to leave early simply alleviates suffering and leaves more resources for others. I have never wanted to live past a certain age anyway, so I have always assumed my life would end by my own hand. It should be easier to accomplish. Then it wouldn't have to be so messy for other people when they discover a body.

I just think that if your life is filled with suffering that can't be improved then your life is already over, so people shouldn't make things worse by making death sound horrifying. Saying words like forever scares people, when actually you have no concept of forever when you're dead. So, the only forever is that you will forever not have your life anymore

 

[XXX]

I read so many post about analyzing death is a forever sleep or point of no return etc. As if only people commiting suicide are subjected to a horrifying fate.

We all die and whether it happens now or 50 years from now, it will happen. So stop trying to scare people out of it who relay on it as the only way out of a shitty life or situation.

If you are suicidal, chances are good that you are living with something worse than death anyway

Right! And "life is precious"... as it happens, I kind of agree. The universe is beautiful and amazing things happen. I have had many good times and seen amazing things. But for some people, life is living hell.

My point is, you don't have to hang to it tooth and nail just because it is precious. Does the shorter duration make it any less precious? And it is up to each person when they think they are done.

It's funny that religious people often are so dead set against suicide. Aren't there supposed to have faith that there is more?

 

[a.h]

Studies say that so many early Christians committed suicide that St Augustina, who was effected by Plato's ideas, said it's forbidden. But it's not forbidden in Bible. There are 7 suicides and no negative word about them in the Bible. Some of them are described as heroic.

I believe that religious people believe what their parents or church have told and the many posts by so called religious people who claim that suicide is forbidden by God/Bible. Many religious people haven't even read original translations of their religious book (or even newer ones that have been changed a lot) to know and understand what it says.

I think that most people lack emphaty. They can't get that life is different to others and respect their choices as their own. And many people make universal claims based on their own experience and thoughts. In style that everything they do and think is right and everything else is wrong for everyone.

 

[Rdc]

i just realised who yr avatar is! she was gorgeous.....also agree with yr sentiments!

Who is the avatar? The face looks familiar.

 

[a.h]

I agree with that. My point is that non-existence is something we can't grasp at all.

I am not afraid of death either (I am of dying). However I have trouble make the comparison between life and death. I can't compare them and say one is better or worse than the other since one of them is unknown.

It's a bit hard to explain what I am trying to say so maybe some won't get it

I believe in good afterlife for all after my nde. I felt like it was more real than earthly life and like I just woke up from a dream (this life).
But I can't stop sometimes dreaming of nonexistence.
Many believe that people are reincarnated from the nonexistence and there is no memory before birth because there was no existence then though people don't have memories from womb either.

I remember that one person said she dreamed of resting in dark and then her Nde was equally good (all positive feelings, no negative) except she got to be in dark and quiet as she wished but could change I at will.

Death is natural as birth and can't be essentially evil. I think that nature is good in nature or neutral.
Everyone dies. My fear of death left after seeing dead bird as a child and later family member.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Who is the avatar? The face looks familiar.

its gia carangi, some consider her to be the first supermodel, she died really young. kinda sad life

 

[I’vehadenough]

Right! And "life is precious"... as it happens, I kind of agree. The universe is beautiful and amazing things happen. I have had many good times and seen amazing things. But for some people, life is living hell.

My point is, you don't have to hang to it tooth and nail just because it is precious. Does the shorter duration make it any less precious? And it is up to each person when they think they are done.

It's funny that religious people often are so dead set against suicide. Aren't there supposed to have faith that there is more?

Lol, yes because religious people believe that it is not your body in the first place, so you can't end it on your terms. However, Catholic priests have told me that someone with PTSD or another disorder can't be accountable for suicide because they aren't in their right mind in the first place.
I ask religious people then if the people who jumped off the twin towers during 911 or Jews who killed themselves during the Holocaust should be punished for their suicides, in which the tone changes...the irony of this is that many Jews weren't taking their lives bc of the physical torture, rather it was the mental torture of losing their identities, their citizenship, dignity etc that drove them to suicide. Their lives were precious too, but they didn't see the point of it if they had to live on their knees

its gia carangi, some consider her to be the first supermodel, she died really young. kinda sad life

Yes, I chose her because we had similar lives and she is a reminder that even though I'll be dying young, I was lucky to have lived a charmed life that few get to experience

 

[OneBigBlur]

Studies say that so many early Christians committed suicide that St Augustina, who was effected by Plato's ideas, said it's forbidden. But it's not forbidden in Bible. There are 7 suicides and no negative word about them in the Bible. Some of them are described as heroic.

I thought this would be relevant from the book that I'm reading:

The Bible writers wisely reminded us that life is a cycle of birth, growth, decline, and death: "To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die" (Eccles. 3:2). There comes a time when a woman is too old to have a child. If she does not want to end up childless, she must have a baby while she can, perhaps earlier than she might feel ready for the task. Unless we die in a timely fashion, there comes a moment after which we are unable to kill ourselves. If we do not want to die a lingering death after a protracted period of pathetic disability, we must kill ourselves while we can, perhaps earlier than we might feel ready to do so.

 

[MeltingHeart]

catholic priests have got no right to even mention PTSD! The 1000s around the world that have caused it with ALL the abuse scandals. Have u seen the film Spotlight ? @I'vehadenough

 

[I’vehadenough]

catholic priests have got no right to even mention PTSD! The 1000s around the world that have caused it with ALL the abuse scandals. Have u seen the film Spotlight ? @I'vehadenough

Yes, but not all priests are child molesters. I was just saying that religion doesn't condemn suicide like it used to