Starting to believe the site is more pro-death than pro-choice

[ve.nin]

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[アホペンギン]

It was at first intended to be pro-choice but a lot of people got the wrong message from this place and are now assuming it's pro-death, leading to many issues for us.

 

[Peaceful Departure]

It's only natural that many of the people who have been ruined by the world, don't want to hear anything positive about it. However, for those of us able, promoting pro choice here is 100% what we want. I guess what I'm saying is it's a website full of mentally ill people on death's door, it would be naive to assume everyone is going to act in a healthy manner.

 

[Jolene79]

I see a fair few posts that are really supportive and that try to help users consider different options.

The problem is that when you come here you've usually exhausted every single option, or almost.
I am pro living a reasonable quality of life. If that quality of life is hideous for whatever reason then yes I will be supportive of ones need or desire to leave. Nothing will change how people feel if they've tried everything and there is no hope left.

 

[Yaffle]

I see it as pro choice. I see vulnerable people being urged not to CTB on impulse and to think carefully.

I haven't seen anyone pushed under the bus which is what the media would have us believe.

Personally, I'm 100% pro choice.

 

[user56765567]

I don't know what you've have seen yourself but in my experience I have seen more pro-choice posts myself on this forum and think that this place has done a good job in my opinion in facilitating that and usually when people are posting, I've seen more reminder like posts to make sure that you're thinking clearly, rationally and reasonably about your decision as it is a big decision to make with things to consider. As long as it's not breaking rules on here like I have seen with some pro-life post, living and dying should be up to you at the end of the day and I see no problem with that. They also do have a recovery section as well which I'm not too familiar with myself but seems like an area to find help, support, and guidance and discussions on salvaging your life if you can which has helps to maintain that balance of choice. I think maintaining that balance can be hard but I think the best thing you can do is report anybody that's breaking the rules as there are appropriate sections for appropriate posts And in the suicide discussion area it's suppose to be an area for talking about any thoughts or feelings you may have regarding suicide and ask questions you can't ask anywhere else. Just as much as the recovery area is for recovery and off-topic is for off-topic.

 

[FuneralCry]

If people take issue with this site then they just don't have to come on here, the suicide discussion section of the site isn't meant for those who are against the right to die and see respecting the decision to die as pro-death, suicide encouragement. This website isn't pro-death as people aren't told to just go and die, and that they must die rather they have their decision respected if that is what they wish for themselves which is pro-choice.

People come here to escape from pro-lifers and their insensitive toxic positivity and patronising don't do it comments, the whole point of the suicide discussion is to let people vent openly and discuss suicide without those types of people not respecting their choices. It's not a suicide prevention type place to push the idea of life and that their is "other options" than death. There is a recovery section for those who want to stay here and for those who want "help".

And I'm sorry if this offends people but other people's personal decision to die aren't your business or anything to do with you. Just because some people value life so much and see death as the worst thing ever doesn't mean this view applies to absolutely everyone. Suicidal people deserve a place to vent without pro-lifers, and it's not pro-death if people don't want that rhetoric forced on them.

 

[Yaffle]

I don't know what you've have seen yourself but in my experience I have seen more pro-choice posts myself on this forum and think that this place has done a good job in my opinion in facilitating that and usually when people are posting, I've seen more reminder like posts to make sure that you're thinking clearly, rationally and reasonably about your decision as it is a big decision to make with things to consider. As long as it's not breaking rules on here like I have seen with some pro-life post, living and dying should be up to you at the end of the day and I see no problem with that. They also do have a recovery section as well which I'm not too familiar with myself but seems like an area to find help, support, and guidance and discussions on salvaging your life if you can which has helps to maintain that balance of choice. I think maintaining that balance can be hard but I think the best thing you can do is report anybody that's breaking the rules as there are appropriate sections for appropriate posts And in the suicide discussion area it's suppose to be an area for talking about any thoughts or feelings you may have regarding suicide and ask questions you can't ask anywhere else. Just as much as the recovery area is for recovery and off-topic is for off-topic.

Very well worded

If people take issue with this site then they just don't have to come on here, the suicide discussion section of the site isn't meant for those who are against the right to die and see respecting the decision to die as pro-death, suicide encouragement. This website isn't pro-death as people aren't told to just go and die, and that they must die rather they have their decision respected if that is what they wish for themselves which is pro-choice.

People come here to escape from pro-lifers and their insensitive toxic positivity and patronising don't do it comments, the whole point of the suicide discussion is to let people vent openly and discuss suicide without those types of people not respecting their choices. It's not a suicide prevention type place to push the idea of life and that their is "other options" than death. There is a recovery section for those who want to stay here and for those who want "help".

And I'm sorry if this offends people but other people's personal decision to die aren't your business or anything to do with you. Just because some people value life so much and see death as the worst thing ever doesn't mean this view applies to absolutely everyone. Suicidal people deserve a place to vent without pro-lifers, and it's not pro-death if people don't want that rhetoric forced on them.

Great post

 

[Justnotme]

You write in the topic "discussion of suicide". Here, most have already chosen death rather than life on this planet. There are other "recovery" topics. I advise you to go there to change your mind if you need it.

 

[Manfrotto99]

I find it very difficult to be pro death for younger people. I've seen lives unexpectedly change out of the blue for people even in there 30s and 40s who otherwise had lost all hope. For me though it never did and its been nothing but prolonged pain and suffering. However we can't really know another's story, we can only speak from our own and by the time someone comes here it's too vent all the doom and gloom and loss of hope where experiencing. If anything it at least gives a perspective that where not alone.

 

[Seered Doom]

The recovery section of Sasu exists as well. People seem to forget that since the suicide discussion is the biggest part of Sasu. The recovery tab has people who also experience relapsing and all that other stuff. It's not just sunshine and sterilized rainbows there.

 

[Abandoned Character]

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You declare something evocative and do not elaborate further. You do not even put a value judgement on "pro-death" vs "pro-choice," which I find interesting. Do you have a preference for the kind of content you would like to see? I find that, like any public space, this place has many perspectives that are all interesting in their own way.

I will say, if you are solely focused on recovery, you may find yourself pulled down by the overt hatred of living that parts of this community exude. I find that I can handle the "pro-death" side of the equation in small doses. Perhaps the feeling is mutual!

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Logically I'm pro my death asap only . Who has the right to tell me I can't be pro my death? Yeah I desire my non-existence asap. I couldn't care less about what another human does or doesn't do . Whether someone else wants to ctb or continue to live is none of my business and I don't care. They are going to die anyway. Whether a stranger chooses to live another day or not how does either of these their decisions affect me or my problems?

In 150 years every human alive now will be dead and forgotten. So nothing matters. It's just that I don't want to suffer personally : that's the only thing that logically matters to me

Ok this is where I would like to get in my brain. Of course I've been programmed to do a lot of things that just waste my time and one of those is worrying about what some other human does or says are doing.
There are competing beliefs in the brain. For example some neural networks in my brain want to watch youtube , social media ,.news etc. logically I know my time is short and those are a waste of time but habits are hard to break

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[Aim]

Your here?!?! Awesome (or at least for us) what happend?

 

[Worndown]

Nearly everyone comes here with death on their mind. That will lean the conversations that direction.
It is also a very open support group. There is advice on surviving as much as not. You ask the question and people will answer.

 

[Seered Doom]

Yeah, it really depends on how you approach it. Provocative titlings aren't always the best idea

 

[livinginhellnation]

I see a fair few posts that are really supportive and that try to help users consider different options.

The problem is that when you come here you've usually exhausted every single option, or almost.
I am pro living a reasonable quality of life. If that quality of life is hideous for whatever reason then yes I will be supportive of ones need or desire to leave. Nothing will change how people feel if they've tried everything and there is no hope left.

Exactly. Why spend the next 20 years living, just to die? Obvious for people with terminal illnesses or people who are some sort of physical disability. Not obvious to those of ours grinding our way through life with no purpose and future, only to arrive to the same conclusion.

 

[todeswunsch]

I believe the site it self is pro-choice. But there's not much pro-choice nor pro-death places out there, the ppl more inclined to pro-death are also here. And their view are not censored so we may get this impression. But the position of the forum and its mods seems to be pro-choice for me.
I think its more anti-pro-life than pro-death IMO.

 

[Seered Doom]

Pro-death is the most censored thing and often unfairly lumped in with NSFL content on the "things that are too uncomfy for everyone that you have to search out for" so of course the more censured voice is going to be more outspoken in a pro-choice forum.

 

[kilowatt]

Would you elaborate?
I mostly only people respecting other peoples' death wishes, or putting in their personal imput. This part of the site is not meant for recovery. If someone asks for help regarding CTB then, most of the time, it's obvious they reached a last resort situation.

 

[thewalkingdread]

The Book in Three Sentences

Conscious thought has a surprisingly small impact on your life and most of your behaviors are driven by the unconscious mind. There are competing beliefs within your unconscious mind that are all battling for the single output of your conscious behavior. The complex interactions between your genetics and your environment determine the trajectory of your life.

Yeah... I wouldn't say I am a determinist, but I definitely think that there is way, way less freedom in the "free will chariot" than people like to think.

One can do as he wills, but one cannot will what he wills...

 

[username8888]

I hope SS won't end up fascist "pro-death" community and abuse pro-choice people. I am just kidding of course.

I am biased and am a pro-death person who respects pro-choice people. I might not like pro-life people but I am okay with them as long as they are not jerks. I am a pro-death, I find life a painful thing no matter what you do. As I said, I am biased. :0

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I think it's just reflective of its members who are mostly entirely hopeless… So it's not surprising

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think the majority of members reply to a post in relation to the tone of the message. If someone is like- 'I'm in chronic pain, there's no hope for the future, I have no one'- people aren't going to be so insensitive to tell them to look on the bright side. If on the other hand, they are showing uncertainty and tiny glimmers of hope- I think the majority of users actually nudge them towards recovery. Even the most promortalist of members here will only pick up on the negative points in a post. I don't think I've ever seen someone say- 'death is your best option' to someone who's not sure.

That said- by the very nature of this place- people here are unhappy and struggling in life. Few people I imagine come here unless they are considering suicide. So, considering the majority of the userbase- it's unlikely to be all that positive.

I guess I'm curious. Have you seen instances then where an OP's choice hasn't been respected?

 

[Sprite_Geist]

I partly agree. In some threads and posts there does seem to be a certain amount of "black and white" tribalism towards other members. You can hold the (almost) exact same perspective(s) on suicide as another user, and yet you still risk being labelled as an enemy if your belief(s) differ by even a small fraction. Below are some examples:

If you say something positive about life you will be accused of promoting "toxic positivity"; I really dislike the so-called toxic positivity movement - I even made an earlier thread complaining about it - but I also think this term can be misused sometimes as well. Likewise: if you say something which is considered negative you will be accused of promoting nihilism; this word is (generally) used as an insult, and being nihilistic will often be met with mockery - and it should not. If you have an indifferent/neutral view of life - like me - you can be attacked from both ends, as if you either have to be completely happy, or completely unhappy with life. This is NOT to argue that there is anything wrong with having an extremely happy or unhappy outlook, because both can be valid and understandable views to have, but we should not make assumptions about others if they have the opposite view either.

If you believe that suicide is okay you will be labelled as "pro-death" - usually by people in broader society; this accusation is usually followed by the argument that you "must" seek an alternative solution besides committing suicide; this is unfair though, because how can we decide whether or not a person has experienced enough suffering to warrant this choice? Plus this also goes against pro-choice values. Likewise: you will be labelled as "pro-life" if you mention even the smallest desire to continue living your life. This is not to say that anybody should be forced to enjoy life, and in fact: if you view life as something detrimental or downright worthless, or you simply do not want to find joy, then it is an absolutely valid view to have, but we also should not attack those who do find something in life to enjoy; you can still hold a pro-choice view on suicide while still thinking that certain aspects of life can actually be fun... BUT only if you are not forcing this outlook onto others, and this goes for the opposing view too.

 

[Orange Cat]

You are right. It does lean more toward being pro-death than pro- choice .If it was really pro choice, there would be more tolerance toward less extreme view points than death always being the only answer to someone's problems. Everyone on here isn't pro- death, but there is a group of pro death people on here who like to throw their weight around and stamp out any type of positivity about life no matter how small. It wasn't always like this.

 

[figurehead]

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That's a really good point; I've been reflecting upon... The very great majority of users had already decided for death before they found out this site. I don't mean it to be a necessarily bad thing, but I must say that it's occurred to me sometimes when I write a comment that may lightly sound pro-life, that I deleted lest someone would slash out. There's undoubtedly a feeling of "right" and "wrong" at a slight phrase of hope or something of the kind. Perhaps, it is indeed pro-death. That's not a bad thing as such, but I'd be happier without having to feel looked down on as if I was some kind of a heretic.

 

[MeltingBrain]

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I have been an observer of this site since since 2019 . It's not a pro-death site at all however this site has taken a sharp anti-natalist turn .

 

[loopdaloop]

The consensus is pretty much that it's up to the individual to choose, no one can choose what to do for anyone but themselves

I have been an observer of this site since since 2019 . It's not a pro-death site at all however this site has taken a sharp anti-natalist turn .

True, but that's probably because there is a general upsurge in anti natalism thinking thanks to the internet and suicidal people are more inclined to read into it than non-suicidal folk

 

[scattymessyhuman]

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Would never have guessed