SS in the news?

[WaitingAround2Die]

Just seen that the BBC are trailing tonight's Panorama on mental health care in the UK with some clickbait about "suicide forums".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51262240

 

[faust]

At least they did not leave a link to the website.
Well, what I think about this. It is always easy to blame the winds when the crops do not grow.
And plus it is a good income for them for such articles.
But let's dig deeper. This is one of the few places where people can talk about that, most of us cannot share anything like that with others in real life. If your family says it is just temporary and don't pay attention to the problem, then a person starts looking for the places where he/she can feel comfortable about that.
Next. If we don't provide information how to make it safely and peacefully, how many people will fail and ruin their lives with severe injuries? Just take a look at statistics how many suicide attempts are failed. And what are the consequences....
The third thing is about how people treat sick/mentally ill/lonely people. Many of them cannot find friends irl, they don't want to be outcasts to the whole society! Here they are not judged and understood, so they can feel humans, not animals. Oh, of course, I forgot, your pug may get a magic shot which will stop its sufferings. But a human cannot. Why? We are not living in Sparta any more! So why do you make articles like this? I think many of you, dear journalists, when will be dying and experiencing agony, will want to end this as quickly as possible. But sorry, you were a bee which was against honey. Now your turn to suffer! I believe that if a life of a person turned into a disaster, why should he/she suffer? It is same as leaving a slave dying in the heat. If a person decides to stay until the end, then okay, it is his/her own decision, but there will be only a few which would like to experience some agonizing pain. Then. If it is loneliness and/or mental illness, do you know how it feels like? You are all healthy and do not face such problems, why do you judge? You don't even know how it is. And plus you are not competent, you aren't even doctors of psychiatry and neurosurgeons. So, please, keep your dirty fingers away from people who are not feeling good like you!

 

[calendulo]

I envy whom can to see BBC. A great tv. So controversial.
I did read article, and the POV look likes......(in english, I do not know) criminal toward the forums.
I did read twice................encourage and my poor english language level allows me say that does not sounds good.

 

[faust]

I envy whom can to see BBC. A great tv. So controversial.
I did read article, and the POV look likes......(in english, I do not know) criminal toward the forums.
I did read twice................encourage and my poor english language level allows me say that does not sounds good.

Medicine and social services are a disaster and we ofc are guilty.

 

[Soulless_Angel]

This is not the first time the media have picked up on this website, and I am sure it will not be the last. The media take the name sanctioned suicide and instantly jump to so many conclusions, without delving deeper into the true meaning behind this forum.
A forum of supportive and caring people, a forum of people at their most dark time, yet a forum also with people on the way to recovery, hence being different sub forums.
The whole forum is one of love, support and friendship, in as many ways as possible when you are private and anon.

The media will rip into this forum, as they only read the words *suicide* and think instantly that this is all there is to this place.
If journalists are reading this, with the intent of outing this place, please do so in a even light, one which shows why people are here, but please also show case the positive side, the hope, the passion to support others, the encouragement to find another way.
If someone is determined this is the only way, then no one here will encourage, they will just support, because at that point, what can we do? Everyone is anon its rare there are people who know others in real life. What are we supposed to do, call up 911/999, hey matey there's some dude about to end his life.... help him... their response would be what's their name, where do they live and so forth, information we simply do not have!!

Yes this has forum has people planning to end their lives and seeking the most peaceful way to do so, but it also has people on the path to a better place, whilst it has those in between some seeking solace, some seeking answers, some seeking hope.

Either way, the media will be wrong to highlight this as a pro suicide forum when it simply is not

 

[Quarky00]

Ahhhh

 

[Brick In The Wall]

This is not the first time the media have picked up on this website, and I am sure it will not be the last. The media take the name sanctioned suicide and instantly jump to so many conclusions, without delving deeper into the true meaning behind this forum.
A forum of supportive and caring people, a forum of people at their most dark time, yet a forum also with people on the way to recovery, hence being different sub forums.
The whole forum is one of love, support and friendship, in as many ways as possible when you are private and anon.

The media will rip into this forum, as they only read the words *suicide* and think instantly that this is all there is to this place.
If journalists are reading this, with the intent of outing this place, please do so in a even light, one which shows why people are here, but please also show case the positive side, the hope, the passion to support others, the encouragement to find another way.
If someone is determined this is the only way, then no one here will encourage, they will just support, because at that point, what can we do? Everyone is anon its rare there are people who know others in real life. What are we supposed to do, call up 911/999, hey matey there's some dude about to end his life.... help him... their response would be what's their name, where do they live and so forth, information we simply do not have!!

Yes this has forum has people planning to end their lives and seeking the most peaceful way to do so, but it also has people on the path to a better place, whilst it has those in between some seeking solace, some seeking answers, some seeking hope.

Either way, the media will be wrong to highlight this as a pro suicide forum when it simply is not

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[MaybeSoon]

They tell people it's good to talk and open up these days and there's nothing to be ashamed of but as soon as there's a forum for people to do so they don't like it.

 

[Otter]

Just seen that the BBC are trailing tonight's Panorama on mental health care in the UK with some clickbait about "suicide forums".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51262240

If nothing else, if it steers some non-suicidal people onto this site to read some of these raw posts, it could be an awesome tool for them to gain some understanding! ( I know that is unrealistic, they would mostly just want to shut us down, but it's nice thought)

 

[Quarky00]

No one reads raw. They want blood. (and we have pictures of it lol)

Many people are impatient and interested in drama, not listening or reflection. All issues from euthanasia to healthcare had enough capable spokespersons out there; yet still "oh suicide!".

 

[rntmss]

"Without those forums, I think my daughter would have struggled to find the information that she was looking for about how to die,"​

What a stupid quote. If she didn't have "those forums", she very well could have just jumped in front of a train or jumped into an ocean/lake. Everyone knows how to CTB. It doesn't take a genius to come up with a simple plan.The methods online do nothing more than give more peaceful alternatives.

 

[Meretlein]

It says she spent the night in a police car after being flagged as a suicide risk. Maybe less people would ctb if the mental health system didn't treat people like shit. She knew there was no one to talk to without being locked up like a criminal.

 

[calendulo]

Medicine and social services are a disaster and we ofc are guilty.

My guessing is it surely as you say.
Media focuses on topics, drugs...for sure, and like everybody knows... Anyone has to be guilty?.
No, they do not care about from what? or Why?, but sadly they care whose is Blame, or they suppose it.
Media stream....it is correct in english language?...a huge shit.

 

[Sunset Limited]

'Without suicide forums, Callie might still be alive' I think her mother wants to say 'No matter how painful her life is, it doesn't matter. The important thing is the pain I suffered because of her death. Since I do not want to experience the pain that I feel due to my daughter's death, I prefer her to suffer by living. We have no idea what my daughter feels like. There must be suffering enough to cause her to prefer death. This is not important. Although she lived with the idea of suicide every day, she should have stayed here and make us happy. You see how much I love her'

 

[faust]

My guessing is it surely as you say.
Media focuses on topics, drugs...for sure, and like everybody knows... Anyone has to be guilty?.
No, they do not care about from what? or Why?, but sadly they care whose is Blame, or they suppose it.
Media stream....it is correct in english language?...a huge shit.

Yes, take for example Russian or North Korean television. It is just pure propaganda and they are planting seeds of hate. And people like watching that!

 

[Roger]

'Without suicide forums, Callie might still be alive' I think her mother wants to say 'No matter how painful her life is, it doesn't matter. The important thing is the pain I suffered because of her death. Since I do not want to experience the pain that I feel due to my daughter's death, I prefer her to suffer by living. We have no idea what my daughter feels like. There must be suffering enough to cause her to prefer death. This is not important. Although she lived with the idea of suicide every day, she should have stayed here and make us happy. You see how much I love her'

Here we go again. Callie's mother, family and friends are grieving and deserve sympathy, not snide implications of blame and selfishness.

Edit; For punctuation error only.

 

[ComingClose]

I would've ctb three weeks ago, when my OH went abroad (and out of the way) for a month but I'd already found SS and, before he left, I'd read a lot of the 'method' posts and even decided which was the one for me. He's coming back next weekend and here I am, alive and kicking simply because I'm following so many threads here and seeing so much care between members. There are people here with greater problems than myself who are hanging in there so I choose to wait, to live a while longer, to see if I can find something positive to live for. Had I not found SS, I'd be resting in an urn by the time OH gets home.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Here we go again. Callie;s mother, family and friends are grieving and deserve sympathy, not snide implications of blame and selfishness.

This post does not mean that I do not respect their suffering and this is not an accusation, but a definition of a perspective.

 

[Roger]

This post does not mean that I do not respect their suffering and this is not an accusation, but a definition of a perspective.

Semantics par excellence.

You put hurtful and patently untrue words into the mouth of a grieving, loving, mother. For what ?

Shame on you, and all those who are ghoulish enough, or immature enough, to act in the same way.

Anyway, that's my last word - I don't intend getting into any sort of argument.

 

[Sunset Limited]

Semantics par excellence.

You put hurtful and patently untrue words into the mouth of a grieving, loving, mother. For what ?

Shame on you, and all those who are ghoulish enough, or immature enough, to act in the same way.

Anyway, that's my last word - I don't intend getting into any sort of argument.

It's just a form of expression I need to point out. It's not an accusation !!! At least as much as the girl's mother blamed this forum. You should not try to guess the intentions of others, Mr. White Knight.

 

[Quarky00]

'Without suicide forums, Callie might still be alive' I think her mother wants to say 'No matter how painful her life is, it doesn't matter.

No.

Her mother won't face reality.

I'm reminded of the outraged mother about "vaping kills"..... Daughter vaped black market pot oil (or something). Blind rage is the norm now.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

 

[Brick In The Wall]

If there are any screen caps and I'm in one then you fucks better let me know! I want my 5 seconds of fame! I've never "excelled" at anything in my life, atleast lemme get this one!!!

 

[HelensNepenthe]

Hoping that my VPN will allow me to watch this whenever it is released. If it does I'll provide a summary.

 

[Pan]

"Without those forums, I think my daughter would have struggled to find the information that she was looking for about how to die,"​

What a stupid quote. If she didn't have "those forums", she very well could have just jumped in front of a train or jumped into an ocean/lake. Everyone knows how to CTB. It doesn't take a genius to come up with a simple plan.The methods online do nothing more than give more peaceful alternatives.

I agree; no site is responsible for ctb..it doesn't take a nuclear physicist to analyze how to ctb. If you want to do it right, then opt for full suspension.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

What's more contentious than the existence of this site is the fact that there is a necessity for it to exist at all.

This has got to be one of the most active Web forums I've ever seen. What does that say about society?

 

[pandora]

I feel for the mom, but there are parts of the article that anger me. Callie had tried to CTB on multiple occasions prior to visiting a forum. She had struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts her entire life. She was diagnosed with Asperger's, which is typically considered fairly high functioning, but Mom continued to interfere in Callie's medical treatment, to the extent that Callie instructed her medical team NOT to discuss her health with her mother. Callie's mom stated that Callie would "sometimes talk about ending her life but until those final few weeks I never thought she'd actually do it. I used to imagine her still alive at 90 surrounded by cats and cups of tea probably still saying she wanted to die". Mom also stated that Callie would never fit into a normal mold, but was still loved unconditionally.

To me, this reads as a young woman pretty set and determined on catching the bus, with a mom who constantly helicoptered and refused to accept her daughter's strengths or struggles. I feel like there were more than enough warning signs that the mom acknowledged but did not consider "serious". In the end she is projecting her own guilt onto a forum that did nothing more that allow Callie the opportunity to find a method specific to her needs. There is absolutely nothing in this article to support the idea that, had Callie NOT found an online forum to discuss her thoughts, that she would be alive today.

 

[Apathy79]

It's on right now. They're just referring to this site as the suicide forum or suicide website, not by name.

 

[Mm80]

"Without those forums, I think my daughter would have struggled to find the information that she was looking for about how to die,"​

What a stupid quote. If she didn't have "those forums", she very well could have just jumped in front of a train or jumped into an ocean/lake. Everyone knows how to CTB. It doesn't take a genius to come up with a simple plan.The methods online do nothing more than give more peaceful alternatives.

Justvwatching. Absolute bullshit the care wasnt good enough

 

[511115]

That quote caught my eye as well:

"She did sometimes talk about ending her life but until those final few weeks I never thought she'd actually do it. I used to imagine her still alive at 90 surrounded by cats and cups of tea probably still saying she wanted to die".

That's straight up fucked.

It's so invalidating. First, patronizing to be like, there there, you won't actually kill yourself (and then OMG she actually killed herself!?? Big fucking surprise there, huh). Second, making her death wish seem petty and silly enough that its nbd she still wants to die at 90. Not that it mattered anyway, since she was all talk and no action... oh wait. Turns out she was serious.

Maybe if she had been taken seriously, maybe then she would still be alive.

Even the NHS didn't take her seriously enough to check up on her.

 

[Defenestrator]

It's on right now. They're just referring to this site as the suicide forum or suicide website, not by name.

Is it actually on the news? I don't watch TV but I read the BBC article.