Discussion Spate of river deaths reported in UK

[matt1968]

There have been quite a number of deaths in rivers recently in the UK.

Very sad and reflects a very high profile disapparance and death around this time last year in the UK with Nicola Bulley.

It's often involved women walking near rivers in darkness and the added possibility of accident or assault as well as suicide.

I was wondering if folk had any thoughts?

 

[Forever Sleep]

It really shouldn't come as a surprise to them if they see more public and violent deaths- jumping, drowning, train, hanging. With the further clamp down on methods like SN- desperate people will end up doing desperate things. It's not like this country has the resources to help people. The NHS is on its knees. People are struggling with the cost of living. What do they think will happen? If they simply further restrict the relatively peaceful methods and slap up a few more helplines we can ring, people will struggle on? Some might, some won't though.

It's awful though- I agree. I can't imagine the fear they went through. Plus- I imagine it will be extremely tough on the families left behind. Not that it's ever going to be easy for them but- it's got to be even more upsetting picturing a loved one enduring a violent, distressing death.

 

[matt1968]

It really shouldn't come as a surprise to them if they see more public and violent deaths- jumping, drowning, train, hanging. With the further clamp down on methods like SN- desperate people will end up doing desperate things. It's not like this country has the resources to help people. The NHS is on its knees. People are struggling with the cost of living. What do they think will happen? If they simply further restrict the relatively peaceful methods and slap up a few more helplines we can ring, people will struggle on? Some might, some won't though.

It's awful though- I agree. I can't imagine the fear they went through. Plus- I imagine it will be extremely tough on the families left behind. Not that it's ever going to be easy for them but- it's got to be even more upsetting picturing a loved one enduring a violent, distressing death.

Yes I agree with all your points. I wonder, separately, if some people do it with a degree of ambiguity wrt whether it's viewed as an accident or suicide.

It is horrendous.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yes I agree with all your points. I wonder, separately, if some people do it with a degree of ambiguity wrt whether it's viewed as an accident or suicide.

It is horrendous.

Absolutely. It's very difficult when people don't leave a note. Maybe they do that in the hopes it might be considered an accident. Still- it could just as easily be considered a homicide and it's often the families that are under scrutiny then. But yeah, it's got to be terrible for families really. Especially when people just go missing.

Obviously- I support pro-choice and I believe we have the right to take our own lives. Just speaking personally though. If it was someone I knew- while of course it would still hurt terribly, I'd prefer to hear that they didn't suffer so much in the end. If I found out someone had gone out via some brutal method, I don't think I could help but go over it in my mind and feel awful about how scared they must have been.

 

[TimetoGo!]

There have been quite a number of deaths in rivers recently in the UK.

Very sad and reflects a very high profile disapparance and death around this time last year in the UK with Nicola Bulley.

It's often involved women walking near rivers in darkness and the added possibility of accident or assault as well as suicide.

I was wondering if folk had any thoughts?

Its crazy that you have posted this, as I have been reading alot about these deaths as well on my news feed.

Im not sure whether or not its the algorithm on our phones that throw more of these stories our way, but regardless, there are still loads of drowning suicides recently in the UK.

Its my preference for CTB, but I wouldn't want to die in some dirty canal or river, id rather it be somewhere cleaner, fresh water (like Lake District) .

 

[matt1968]

Its crazy that you have posted this, as I have been reading alot about these deaths as well on my news feed.

Im not sure whether or not its the algorithm on our phones that throw more of these stories our way, but regardless, there are still loads of drowning suicides recently in the UK.

Its my preference for CTB, but I wouldn't want to die in some dirty canal or river, id rather it be somewhere cleaner, fresh water (like Lake District) .

Good to hear from you.

I had become a keen outdoor swimmer before this latest bout of depression. I got out this last summer in the Avon (I am in Birmingham).

I'm conflicted - I am comfortable in open water but not sure it's my preference for CTB.

I did have a moment in some wild sea about a year ago that I thought I'd let it take me.

Absolutely. It's very difficult when people don't leave a note. Maybe they do that in the hopes it might be considered an accident. Still- it could just as easily be considered a homicide and it's often the families that are under scrutiny then. But yeah, it's got to be terrible for families really. Especially when people just go missing.

Obviously- I support pro-choice and I believe we have the right to take our own lives. Just speaking personally though. If it was someone I knew- while of course it would still hurt terribly, I'd prefer to hear that they didn't suffer so much in the end. If I found out someone had gone out via some brutal method, I don't think I could help but go over it in my mind and feel awful about how scared they must have been.

Well said and food for thought.

 

[losing hope]

Did any of these deaths involve SWB? I don't know why SWB isn't talked about more as a ctb method. Now that SN is difficult to get in the uk.

 

[TimetoGo!]

Did any of these deaths involve SWB? I don't know why SWB isn't talked about more as a ctb method. Now that SN is difficult to get in the uk.

They will never go into detail about suicide in news stories……very little anyway.

 

[Imprisoned]

It really shouldn't come as a surprise to them if they see more public and violent deaths- jumping, drowning, train, hanging. With the further clamp down on methods like SN- desperate people will end up doing desperate things. It's not like this country has the resources to help people. The NHS is on its knees. People are struggling with the cost of living. What do they think will happen? If they simply further restrict the relatively peaceful methods and slap up a few more helplines we can ring, people will struggle on? Some might, some won't though.

It's awful though- I agree. I can't imagine the fear they went through. Plus- I imagine it will be extremely tough on the families left behind. Not that it's ever going to be easy for them but- it's got to be even more upsetting picturing a loved one enduring a violent, distressing death.

It's so cruel that society makes us resort to these violent and painful methods. I'm tired of these fucking shit ass hotlines that do nothing

 

[matt1968]

They will never go into detail about suicide in news stories……very little anyway.

Yes that's right. And they are very much been reported as disappearnaces then discovering people - the speculation about what happened tends to focus on accidentally entering the water.

 

[TimetoGo!]

Yes that's right. And they are very much been reported as disappearnaces then discovering people - the speculation about what happened tends to focus on accidentally entering the water.

Yeh I feel they are 100% intentional suicides , just suits the media/police not to mention it

 

[Forever Sleep]

Its crazy that you have posted this, as I have been reading alot about these deaths as well on my news feed.

Im not sure whether or not its the algorithm on our phones that throw more of these stories our way, but regardless, there are still loads of drowning suicides recently in the UK.

Its my preference for CTB, but I wouldn't want to die in some dirty canal or river, id rather it be somewhere cleaner, fresh water (like Lake District) .

I love the Lake District! I really want to go and see The Strid in Bolten Abbey in Yorkshire. Not that I'd plan to go out that way but it's an incredibly dangerous, yet beautiful river. Supposedly, there's a 100% fatality rate- but I imagine a horrendously scary way to go. It's effectively a river on it's side with very strong currents in a very narrow stretch that pull anyone to the bottom. It's not something I would advise- obviously. The thought of it horrifies me. I think a lot of deaths have been accidental too. People trying to jump over the rocks which are slippery.

Sad as well really. Such a beautiful place- it's got to be awful for the people that discover the bodies. Still- they wouldn't have to be dealing with all that if they legalised assisted suicide. I imagine most people would prefer not to traumatise people with their deaths.

 

[TimetoGo!]

I love the Lake District! I really want to go and see The Strid in Bolten Abbey in Yorkshire. Not that I'd plan to go out that way but it's an incredibly dangerous, yet beautiful river. Supposedly, there's a 100% fatality rate- but I imagine a horrendously scary way to go. It's effectively a river on it's side with very strong currents in a very narrow stretch that pull anyone to the bottom. It's not something I would advise- obviously. The thought of it horrifies me. I think a lot of deaths have been accidental too. People trying to jump over the rocks which are slippery.

Sad as well really. Such a beautiful place- it's got to be awful for the people that discover the bodies. Still- they wouldn't have to be dealing with all that if they legalised assisted suicide. I imagine most people would prefer not to traumatise people with their deaths.

Yeh ive seen a few YouTube videos on the strid…..its basically like a washing machine that spins you round and round until you drown. No way of getting out. Pretty horrific way to die if you accidentally slipped in.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Yeh ive seen a few YouTube videos on the strid…..its basically like a washing machine that spins you round and round until you drown. No way of getting out. Pretty horrific way to die if you accidentally slipped in.

It looks so beautiful and innocent too. Like a babbling brook! I'm kind of surprised they haven't put netting all over it with health and safety as it is. But yeah. I think- unless you were 'lucky' enough to hit your head on a rock on the way down, it would be terrifying I would have thought. I want to see it before I die though. Not to die in but because I love rivers and waterfalls. Have you got any recommendations? Fellow Lake District fan?

 

[matt1968]

Yeh ive seen a few YouTube videos on the strid…..its basically like a washing machine that spins you round and round until you drown. No way of getting out. Pretty horrific way to die if you accidentally slipped in.

I've been clattered and span by big sea waves before and that's quite nasty in itself.

 

[Toobrokentofix]

Did any of these deaths involve SWB? I don't know why SWB isn't talked about more as a ctb method. Now that SN is difficult to get in the uk.

What us SWB?

 

[Hysteria]

What us SWB?

I think it's Shallow Water Blackout (SWB). I wouldn't want to steal credits. Here's the thread where I learned about it.

 

[TimetoGo!]

It looks so beautiful and innocent too. Like a babbling brook! I'm kind of surprised they haven't put netting all over it with health and safety as it is. But yeah. I think- unless you were 'lucky' enough to hit your head on a rock on the way down, it would be terrifying I would have thought. I want to see it before I die though. Not to die in but because I love rivers and waterfalls. Have you got any recommendations? Fellow Lake District

What us SWB?

Shallow water blackout

It looks so beautiful and innocent too. Like a babbling brook! I'm kind of surprised they haven't put netting all over it with health and safety as it is. But yeah. I think- unless you were 'lucky' enough to hit your head on a rock on the way down, it would be terrifying I would have thought. I want to see it before I die though. Not to die in but because I love rivers and waterfalls. Have you got any recommendations? Fellow Lake District fan?

No real recommendations really but the Lake District is beautiful.