Some people are just selfish with their method of ctb

[MoonlitNight]

I probably got people's attention with how i worded the title but hear me out.

̶S̶u̶i̶c̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶, jumping in front of vehicles, crashing your vehicle into another and so on.

Those methods of ctb are what can truly be called selfish in my opinion.
Why is it still accepted? Even here? I know the mortality rate of these are practically none but honestly. I feel like you could easily access public places to do it from. You're bringing other's lives at stake too!

I know a lot of people here have given up on happiness as life has been unfair to them unlike some other people. But i feel like that doesn't allow the person to leave in such a way that it takes other's lives too. Especially when they're in a loving space and are content with their life. It makes it hurt more.

Im scared for this upcoming Easter Sunday church due to the amount of suicide bombings. People are happy and we wanna celebrate our god's resurrection, i understand if people may not agree with our views but.
Can we just celebrate in peace?
Im getting paranoid.

Do not get me wrong. I am not calling people selfish for wanting an escape when life has them on a corner. That's why most of us are here.

Is there something im missing here? Is there another viewpoint im missing? Can someone please tell me.
I can't stop overthinking. I'll probably skip it and miss out on the happy moments.

 

[Sammie_com.sanrio]

Sometimes we are selfish and we don't really think about others and when we try to ctb we think it's better for us and sometimes just want to get it over with. When sometimes people like you call us selfish this is why we feel burdened sometimes and we do this

 

[Sluggish_Slump]

Suicide bombers are just terrorists that do it from an ideological stand point to spread fear on purpose. Of course terrorism is wrong. This forum never encouraged or even tolerated such things... I never read a post here that promotes terrorism and taking others' lives. I'm quite sure people like that have their own forums and don't go on here

 

[MoonlitNight]

Sometimes we are selfish and we don't really think about others and when we try to ctb we think it's better for us and sometimes just want to get it over with. When sometimes people like you call us selfish this is why we feel burdened sometimes and we do this

By the time someone has done something as destructive as that. Most of the time they're not even here long enough to realise they've been called selfish, at least not because of how they've executed the act.

Im not calling anyone selfish for leaving.
Im genuinely questioning. Why bring innocent people along? People who love their families and wanna stay, protect and provide for them as long as they can? Don't they deserve to live?

 

[Sammie_com.sanrio]

Sometimes we don't even think about the bad consequences only the good ones that will be that everything will be better without us

 

[MoonlitNight]

Suicide bombers are just terrorists that do it from an ideological stand point to spread fear on purpose. Of course terrorism is wrong. This forum never encouraged or even tolerated such things... I never read a post here that promotes terrorism and taking others' lives. I'm pretty sure people like that have their own forums and don't go on here

Im sorry I should've specified. Bombings are obviously not tolerated here. My sincere apology. (I sound so sarcastic right now, im not)

But a really rare method chosen is jumping in front of a train. Anyone who asks for opinions on those methods get turned down pretty quickly. But if they insist on it then others go along pretty well

 

[Sammie_com.sanrio]

And yes, they do deserve to live

 

[FogFilledLife]

Better to be selfish in death than selfish in life.

 

[Sammie_com.sanrio]

Honestly I would but it would just make traffic and be a waste of time for others
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Better to be selfish in death than selfish in life.

 

[MoonlitNight]

Sometimes we don't even think about the bad consequences only the good ones that will be that everything will be better without us

Im sorry. I do not see how that can be used here.

Yes you may think everything may be better off without you, i do not argue with that fact as i do not know what you have been through.

But the way someone is leaving

Potentially
-derailing a train, costing the lives of the passengers and even more likely the driver

-leading a car to crash, I've read a story where a person would ctb by putting themselves in a bag and jumping in front of a vehicle at night.
(Please don't do this, please.)

-bombings speak for themselves. Although this may not be appropriate anymore since it's not tolerated here.

Better to be selfish in death than selfish in life.

..i don't know about the latter. But the former definitely can be done without being selfish in the method used.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Suicide bombings, jumping in front of vehicles, crashing your vehicle into another and so on.

Those methods aren't accepted here.

 

[MoonlitNight]

Those methods aren't accepted here.

I've cut the first one out. The rest are actually not recommended but still accepted.

 

[RoundaboutResolved]

Potentially causing harm to others so you can ctb is not ok.

Ps - you should celebrate easter if that's what you want to do.

 

[sunshiningbackwards]

I probably got people's attention with how i worded the title but hear me out.

̶S̶u̶i̶c̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶, jumping in front of vehicles, crashing your vehicle into another and so on.

Those methods of ctb are what can truly be called selfish in my opinion.
Why is it still accepted? Even here? I know the mortality rate of these are practically none but honestly. I feel like you could easily access public places to do it from. You're bringing other's lives at stake too!

I know a lot of people here have given up on happiness as life has been unfair to them unlike some other people. But i feel like that doesn't allow the person to leave in such a way that it takes other's lives too. Especially when they're in a loving space and are content with their life. It makes it hurt more.

Im scared for this upcoming Easter Sunday church due to the amount of suicide bombings. People are happy and we wanna celebrate our god's resurrection, i understand if people may not agree with our views but.
Can we just celebrate in peace?
Im getting paranoid.

Do not get me wrong. I am not calling people selfish for wanting an escape when life has them on a corner. That's why most of us are here.

Is there something im missing here? Is there another viewpoint im missing? Can someone please tell me.
I can't stop overthinking. I'll probably skip it and miss out on the happy moments.

personally, the only people I'd really care about disturbing would be my friends and family. I couldn't care less if someone in public is traumatized by it. 99% of people on the street wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire so fuck em.

 

[FuneralCry]

The thing is that you don't know what other people are going through, everyone is in different situations after all, and we do exist in such an anti suicide society that cruelly denies people the options of reliable methods and expects them to suffer. Some people just get so desperate to leave and if they had a peaceful suicide method they wouldn't have to resort to a more brutal one.

 

[LookAway]

Impulse... Mental illness... Psychosis...

I probably got people's attention with how i worded the title but hear me out.

̶S̶u̶i̶c̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶, jumping in front of vehicles, crashing your vehicle into another and so on.

Those methods of ctb are what can truly be called selfish in my opinion.
Why is it still accepted? Even here? I know the mortality rate of these are practically none but honestly. I feel like you could easily access public places to do it from. You're bringing other's lives at stake too!

I know a lot of people here have given up on happiness as life has been unfair to them unlike some other people. But i feel like that doesn't allow the person to leave in such a way that it takes other's lives too. Especially when they're in a loving space and are content with their life. It makes it hurt more.

Im scared for this upcoming Easter Sunday church due to the amount of suicide bombings. People are happy and we wanna celebrate our god's resurrection, i understand if people may not agree with our views but.
Can we just celebrate in peace?
Im getting paranoid.

Do not get me wrong. I am not calling people selfish for wanting an escape when life has them on a corner. That's why most of us are here.

Is there something im missing here? Is there another viewpoint im missing? Can someone please tell me.
I can't stop overthinking. I'll probably skip it and miss out on the happy moments.

Are you in a middle eastern country or something? If you believe in God why are you allowing thoughts from the adversary into your mind and speaking them into creation? "I'm scared for this upcoming Easter Sunday church due to the amount of suicide bombings"

Fear is of the devil. Perfect love cast away all fears. May your church and family be guided and protected this Easter Sunday which is Ostara a pagan holiday. ;)

 

[MoonlitNight]

Impulse... Mental illness... Psychosis...

Are you in a middle eastern country or something? If you believe in God why are you allowing thoughts from the adversary into your mind and speaking them into creation? "I'm scared for this upcoming Easter Sunday church due to the amount of suicide bombings"

Fear is of the devil. Perfect love cast away all fears. May your church and family be guided and protected this Easter Sunday which is Ostara a pagan holiday. ;)

Well at least i got a reasonable answer I guess.

Im scared because i don't believe I'll make it to 'heaven'. I don't think anyone at the church was thinking it'd be their last day ever when that happened.
And besides, we have loved ones here. It doesn't mean we won't fear what will happen to them after we're gone.

Thank you for your wishes, i hope you have a good day/night.

 

[LookAway]

Well at least i got a reasonable answer I guess.

Im scared because i don't believe I'll make it to 'heaven'. I don't think anyone at the church was thinking it'd be their last day ever when that happened.
And besides, we have loved ones here. It doesn't mean we won't fear what will happen to them after we're gone.

Thank you for your wishes, i hope you have a good day/night.

The kingdom of heaven is within you.

I wish you the best as well. Have a wonderful day/night. You are safe and protected.

 

[CentreMid]

I probably got people's attention with how i worded the title but hear me out.

̶S̶u̶i̶c̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶, jumping in front of vehicles, crashing your vehicle into another and so on.

Those methods of ctb are what can truly be called selfish in my opinion.
Why is it still accepted? Even here? I know the mortality rate of these are practically none but honestly. I feel like you could easily access public places to do it from. You're bringing other's lives at stake too!

I know a lot of people here have given up on happiness as life has been unfair to them unlike some other people. But i feel like that doesn't allow the person to leave in such a way that it takes other's lives too. Especially when they're in a loving space and are content with their life. It makes it hurt more.

Im scared for this upcoming Easter Sunday church due to the amount of suicide bombings. People are happy and we wanna celebrate our god's resurrection, i understand if people may not agree with our views but.
Can we just celebrate in peace?
Im getting paranoid.

Do not get me wrong. I am not calling people selfish for wanting an escape when life has them on a corner. That's why most of us are here.

Is there something im missing here? Is there another viewpoint im missing? Can someone please tell me.
I can't stop overthinking. I'll probably skip it and miss out on the happy moments.

As much as I disagree with bringing unwilling participants into suicide, it will happen whether we like it or not. Hell, there are even some private methods here that I am hesitant about as well, but at the end of the day, it's not my life and it's not my choice, so the more productive thing to do is just respect the individual and their chosen method.

As far as the bombings go though, that's just straight-up terrorism and something I am very much against. That specifically should not be tolerated or encouraged. But as for jumping in front of a train or into traffic, again, while I may not choose that for myself, it's not up to me how someone chooses to die so it's best to just wish the person good luck and let them go in their own way.

 

[Death is my goal]

idk what's your motive with this post, 1st thing you mentioned is bombing.. like wtf I've never seen this ever mentioned in the site, why bring it up?
bombers are terrorists that's all there is to it

 

[spectraltease]

I mean society dosent care about me, why I should care about society?

 

[hellispink]

Humans destroy everything. This is no news. They do even worse more cruel things than this. Humans know no limits.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't get it either to be honest. I guess in some cases, it's utter desperation. Maybe in others- people are angry and holding a grudge. Honestly, I wince when I hear people contemplating death by cop or jumping in front of traffic or a train. Even jumping or hanging in a public place doesn't discriminate as to who might witness it. Even children might see it. Even CTB in a hotel could mean that a youngster could come across the body.

I suppose I'm kind of 'privelaged' as I live alone but I still intend to take steps to make sure that it is police that would find me and to warn them of what to expect. It's still not great but we are pretty restricted in what we can do. If assisted suicide were more accessible- it would save everyone this worry. I think people use that as an excuse- society won't 'help' me- so screw society. It's individuals at the end of the day though. You could well be killed or found by an arsehole- it's true but it could just as well be a very kind and sensitive person who never gets over it. Seeing as there are ways to minimize the impact- trying to warn hotel workers with a sign etc. choosing methods that don't involve other people- I feel like we ought to make the effort.

I guess I just see it that we have this chance to show the world that not all suicidal people are manic and selfish- I think the more violent, public methods tend to look manic. That we have actually done all we can to be considerate about how our deaths will affect the people left behind. Not just our loved ones but everyone.

I guess it's a personal thing but- if I have the guts to eventually do it- I want my suicide to look planned and organized- because it was. There's not much I can do about the impact it might have- other than wait for the person to go first who I expect it would affect the most. Still- the actual boring shit that follows a death- belongings, funeral etc. I want to have got sorted. I want it to be the least amount of hassle possible for those left behind- including police and cleaners.

 

[settheory]

Not all can afford relatively "cosy" methods, like SN or even hanging, or other such things.

Normally, by far most (or all) of the guilt lies on those who deny the right to a more peaceful suicide rather than the one who killed themselves with one of the more brutal methods. Those who made the person suicidal too if there are any. The enforcement of a hellish life is the crime, and both the people who killed themselves with such methods (suicide bombing not included) and those who were traumatised by it are among the victims of it. And besides, many (often most) of the people who would be traumatised or harmed by such methods themselves commited the crime of enforcement of life or made the person suicidal.

Of course, it would be better if nobody had to resort to such methods. And those who did not make the suicidal person's life that bad and those who did not make it harder to choose a less barbaric method are certainly worthy of consideration.

It is unfair and insensitive to rush to call people who experienced extreme suffering "selfish" for getting desperate from having such bad life circumstances.

I can give a fictional (possibly real) analogy. A person got their house destroyed by someone (like burned or something), most of their money and posessions gone. They're now so poor they have no money for food. Justice system failed, nobody would feed them. The only method they can they came up with of getting money quickly enough to feed themselves is to steal from a certain another person. And they don't have much time for thinking. But that other person is probably innocent. Would it be right to call this act "selfish"? Here the guilt lies on the one who destroyed the house for both losses of money.

 

[chloramine]

I probably got people's attention with how i worded the title but hear me out.

̶S̶u̶i̶c̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶b̶o̶m̶b̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶, jumping in front of vehicles, crashing your vehicle into another and so on.

Those methods of ctb are what can truly be called selfish in my opinion.
Why is it still accepted? Even here? I know the mortality rate of these are practically none but honestly. I feel like you could easily access public places to do it from. You're bringing other's lives at stake too!

I know a lot of people here have given up on happiness as life has been unfair to them unlike some other people. But i feel like that doesn't allow the person to leave in such a way that it takes other's lives too. Especially when they're in a loving space and are content with their life. It makes it hurt more.

Im scared for this upcoming Easter Sunday church due to the amount of suicide bombings. People are happy and we wanna celebrate our god's resurrection, i understand if people may not agree with our views but.
Can we just celebrate in peace?
Im getting paranoid.

Do not get me wrong. I am not calling people selfish for wanting an escape when life has them on a corner. That's why most of us are here.

Is there something im missing here? Is there another viewpoint im missing? Can someone please tell me.
I can't stop overthinking. I'll probably skip it and miss out on the happy moments.

Public places aren't automatically good locations. I'm not comfortable with methods that endanger or traumatize others but sometimes that's the only method available to someone and they're desperate. Accessibility isn't just a matter of it being theoretically workable either. Some people can't use certain methods because of mental blocks or some form of disability. I think a lot of the time those methods feel like the only way when people take them.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I'm vehemently against putting other people's lives at risk like jumping in front of a train etc. I understand people's desperation but I think you should cause as little suffering to others as possible when you CTB. I don't know too much about that particular method so although I don't support it, I guess I'm thinking well maybe it's really unlikely for anyone else to be hurt during a suicide by train etc. It's still a risk of course but I don't think these people are intending to hurt others. It's not what I'd do and I think it'd be absolutely tragic if someone else was hurt/killed during another's suicide attempt but I have no stats on how often this happens so I'm gonna hope it's really rare.

As far as all your other things-suicide bombings and crashing your car into another?! They are something else entirely and are completely evil acts designed to purposely cause as much suffering as possible and if I saw anyone mention the slightest hint of carrying something like that out on here or anywhere else I'd call the police immediately. I don't think anyone on this site would wanna be associated with those evil people.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Potentially
-derailing a train, costing the lives of the passengers and even more likely the driver

This could never happen.

 

[Scythe]

I don't think suicide methods that involves crashing into someone else's car with yours is accepted here. But if it's just jumping into front if a vehicle I don't see what's wrong with it. You'll traumatize some people probably, but their suffering will probably be little compared to what the person who suicided has suffered. Unless you're jumping in front of a car 99% of the time only you will be hurt, if it's something like a truck or subway you won't even damage the vehicle.

 

[MoonlitNight]

idk what's your motive with this post, 1st thing you mentioned is bombing.. like wtf I've never seen this ever mentioned in the site, why bring it up?
bombers are terrorists that's all there is to it

I made this post when i was really troubled, as i have issues gathering my thoughts later on when im not feeling the paranoia.

The motive of this was to find out why people do it and what exactly are they trying to do with the plan. Sort of like that.

I made the post because im scared to go to to this week's Easter Sunday program due to multiple news of suicidal people with bombs strapped to them and setting it off there.

I wanted to know the why and the how so that I could maybe decide whether i want to go or not. And then the question popped up "why do people take this method anyway??"

---

I've got my answer. Tho half of the answer does confirm my take that they're thinking about themselves.

I really hope i don't come off as aggressive, i don't mean to do that.

The person who plans to die, majority of the time believes that there is nothing after death.
(Believe me i think there's a hell and a heaven and it's the only thing keeping me from doing it. Im just here because it feels good knowing i can access the methods if i really want to)

After they die, according to them, they'll be at peace anyway.
Im sorry but even as far as extreme suffering goes. I still don't think it's right to bring innocent people along.
I've come to understand that people do agree with me on this, and some others just do not care.

Maybe im just being narrow minded and am not ready to change my opinion on this. Thank you to all the people who took their time to reply.

 

[Touhou]

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. In particular, people who choose to CTB by forcing a police officer to take their life especially boil my blood.

Think about it, are you a predator? Are you willing to cause trauma to another person by forcing them to take your life? Suicide is the natural right of all living beings, but what you are asking about isn't suicide, it's forcing someone to commit murder. They're the ones that have to live with the aftermath.