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Meditation guide

Meditation guide

Always was, is, and always shall be.
Jun 22, 2020
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As an extension of my feeling God is just an observer of us and nothing more as far as we are concerned, thinking about the suffering we go through, the only logical conclusion is that God is a psychopath who likes to watch us suffer.
Not just us but animals too. Is it a normal extension of not having any feelings or human emotions to
enjoy watching us suffer?

Hard to conceive of this kind of God.
 
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Pookie

Somebody you used to know.
Oct 18, 2020
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I'm not religious but if there's a God then yes, he/she is a psychopath. I don't understand how some people who have everything to live for, happy and in perfect health die young but then chronically depressed and unhealthy people like me simply don't die and just carry on suffering.
 
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StringPuppet

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Oct 5, 2020
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If there is a god I wouldn't be surprised if he followed what tv tropes calls "Blue and Orange Morality" because he's so far removed from being human

This is basically what Dr.Manhattan's story arc is about in the Watchmen comics/movie
 
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Hennessy

Specialist
Jan 14, 2019
359
If there really is a God and I ever meet him, and if it's practically possible, I will kick him in the nuts.
 
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Meditation guide

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Think of Ted Bundy the psychopath. He had asked out a girl with long dark hair who rejected him.
After that he began his psychopathic life of killing mostly girls with long dark hair.

Maybe God is like that, angry, bitter, narcissist and torturing us and animals for rejecting him/her.
 
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Delia

Delia

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May 15, 2018
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bold of you to assume god is an entity that can even comprehend the inconsequential mistake they've created
 
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bold of you to assume god is an entity that can even comprehend the inconsequential mistake they've created
That's one way of looking at it.
 
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bigdog

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Jul 12, 2020
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Unfortunately there is no God or I accept that we can be in some kind of simulation. But for some people suffering is unbearable and I think everything was determined. Nothing you can do about it. Some people are lucky others aren't.
 
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Strict Buddhists are atheists. They think we are here due to something akin to an addiction to being alive in human form and liking earthly things, which keeps drawing us back like H addicts to their favorite drug.
 
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daddy Phil :)

daddy Phil :)

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If there really is a God it is not a human being so you shouldn't think of God being a psychopath.
 
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If there really is a God it is not a human being so you shouldn't think of God being a psychopath.
So if not a psychopath then why allow all the suffering? We get told God loves us but is this tough love?
 
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May 15, 2018
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i don't like to think that god is a being that created us just the same way they are, I like to think that if there's one they can't possibly understand what we are or probably isn't even aware of what is going on.

When i think about it your own body is an ecosystem to itself, there are so many bacteries on it living their own lives and dying too, your organs do you know how they work? You don't. And i'm sure you wouldn't want them to die either because that wouldn't be beneficial to you.
Though we can say that if they exist today they're here thanks to you. In some way that makes you a god to your own self. That's farfetched and stupid? Maybe.

For all I care maybe we're just living on the hair of some cosmic lion. It would be funny to think about it that way. Life simply doesn't make sense. I don't want to believe that if there is a god then they'd wish harm on their own creation. I think it's just beyond our comprehension too.
 
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Symbiote

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Al Pacino summed it up for me

 
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Meditation guide

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I don't want to believe that if there is a god then they'd wish harm on their own creation.
Maybe God is like sick parents who abuse their kids. I know this sounds sick but I'm just exploring out there possibilities.
 
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bov

Arcanist
Aug 26, 2020
405
Think of Ted Bundy the psychopath. He had asked out a girl with long dark hair who rejected him.
After that he began his psychopathic life of killing mostly girls with long dark hair.

Maybe God is like that, angry, bitter, narcissist and torturing us and animals for rejecting him/her.
People suffered long before we started rejecting God
 
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sadworld

existence is a nightmare
Aug 25, 2020
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I don't think there is a god but if there is one, I hope I can meet him and tell him how much I hate him.
 
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Sinkinshyp

Paragon
Sep 7, 2020
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As an extension of my feeling God is just an observer of us and nothing more as far as we are concerned, thinking about the suffering we go through, the only logical conclusion is that God is a psychopath who likes to watch us suffer.
Not just us but animals too. Is it a normal extension of not having any feelings or human emotions to
enjoy watching us suffer?

Hard to conceive of this kind of God.

You know my story, my son died in a car accident. He used to dream visit me. Crazy crazy stuff- monkey story is one post about his dream visits. He told me through a medium reading- John 3:16.. it brought me to learn about God & Jesus. He said some stuff in his dream visits-religion wise and I would have to ask my ex in laws and yes it's stuff thats in the bible. They believe he was dream visiting me.. we wrote-automatic writing. It does not work anymore but for the first hmm year or so after he died- I put the pen to the paper and off it went. I have notebooks and notebooks of this writing. My ex in laws are VERY church going and believe Joey was writing and dream visiting.. so explaining all that...
One time in the writing Joey said something to the effect of Mom you are mourning the loss of your son- imagine how God feels looking at all his children...
it hit me and I cried hysterically. I realized God looks at us and hurts for each and everyone of us..

I've only gone to church maybe 8x.. 2 for my kids baptism, 1 for my dads funeral, like 2 I snuck out to with a childhood friend, and not sure about the rest. I've read small parts of the bible. After that medium who for sure had my son- I have her post saved I can share and explain everything she said..she could not have found the information anywhere, but that John 3:16 led me to watch some movies about Jesus.

Can you imagine God watching what people did to Jesus? as a bereaved mom it hit me right in my heart and soul.

I don't think God likes to make us suffer. I guess we are all sinners. I know I have. Being a sinner I am not worthy of Gods love. He puts challenges in my path- boy one day I'll make a post about my entire shit life. Tomorrow I'll be 49 and I have 99 years worth of hell I've lived through. Jesus took my sins away, he made it so I can talk to God. Hopefully be reunited with my son-he is for sure in heaven, he was beyond good. I think the price I pay for Jesus to have taken my sins is the challenges that have been put in my life.. it's just the death of my son I can't see where anything good will come of that. I'll ctb due to it or I'll be touched by God to become a helper for other bereaved parents.. or something...
 
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Delia

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May 15, 2018
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Maybe God is like sick parents who abuse their kids. I know this sounds sick but I'm just exploring out there possibilities.

There are parents who genuinely hate their kids unfortunately, and there are parents who do love their kids yet still abuse them because that's the way they've been taught to overcome obstacles, well in this situation I believe that there are two courses of action, either show empathy towards god because in the end they could be like us which would make it truly tragic. Or in the other end, they're truly a psychopath just as you said, in which case w h at the fu ck
 
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daddy Phil :)

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So if not a psychopath then why allow all the suffering? We get told God loves us but is this tough love?
That's the reason why I don't believe in God anymore. And even if God really existed I still don't want to be religious after I have seen what God created. This world can't be good so I lost faith tbh.
 
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Meditation guide

Always was, is, and always shall be.
Jun 22, 2020
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I realized God looks at us and hurts for each and everyone of us..
Did he say why we suffer? I'm not getting it still. We are sinners? Even babies? Apparently just being human we are automatically sinners.
I still don't want to be religious after I have seen what God created.
I know what you mean. I keep looking at animals and the things they go through. What could possibly they have done to deserve suffering.
 
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Sinkinshyp

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Sep 7, 2020
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Did he say why we suffer? I'm not getting it still. We are sinners? Even babies?

I never asked why we suffer nor did he even tell me. I don't think. Just some dream visits or something in his writing that hit my heart. I would have to honestly go through these notebooks to see what else is there. It was a couple of comments I remember that I truly felt.. I was HEAVILY medicated and beyond a couple of things I can't remember the rest..
when he made the comment about I was suffering from the loss of 1 son and God had to look at all his children and mourn the loss of us.. it hit my heart. I thought and FELT wow- God hurts so much for us-because he loves us. If we believe in God and good we must believe in evil and Satan.. I think Satan plays with us. I don't believe there is a hell- purgatory maybe. I think my son sat there for a little while, he had to detach from me. One thing he said in the writing he was waiting for me to go to heaven.. and one day he went and the writing doesn't work anymore. We still have dream visits he came last night but I'm so mad I can't remember the dream. Anyway I look at it like this earth- this life is hell. we are caged and Satan is poking us with sticks but God is holding out his hand.. I think some of us are given more challenges I don't know why.

Many years ago I had met a guy- Tony. He knew about God and religion. My brother & his wife had moved into my house. Tony told me- God gives us all a cross to carry. Our cross is not to big- not to small- it's just made for us. That taking in my brother & his wife I was now taking on their crosses and it was to much for me to carry. I guess it's meant like when Jesus had to carry his cross. Having gone through all the hell I have in this life- I'm carrying many crosses and I don't know why. Just like so many of you- we have been given so much pain to go through. As I mentioned, I blame satan for poking me with sticks my entire life. I believe God is my creator and heavenly father. Some things are meant to be lessons. You learn than on to the next lesson. But along our life satan shoves that stick in.
 
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Jean Améry

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Mar 17, 2019
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Strict Buddhists are atheists.

I wouldn't say that, at least I'm not sure of it. It's true in Buddhism enlightenment is thought of as a purely human achievement and Buddha did not claim to be of divine origin but in the story of his enlightenment prince Gautama encountered the demon Mara who tried to make him stray from the path. Since Mara is portrayed as some kind of supernatural being he could be thought of as a god of sorts.

Atheism simply means denial of the existence of god/gods. I think it depends on whether one sees this Mara as an actual existing being or as the personification of temptation, i.e. as something that happens in one's mind.

Of course I'm not a specialist in Buddhism so i could be wrong.
 
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Oct 10, 2020
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Not only suffering during your lifetime. Religious people believe that us who choose suicide will also suffer for eternity in hell
 
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Meditation guide

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I wouldn't say that, at least I'm not sure of it. It's true in Buddhism enlightenment is thought of as a purely human achievement and Buddha did not claim to be of divine origin but in the story of his enlightenment prince Gautama encountered the demon Mara who tried to make him stray from the path. Since Mara is portrayed as some kind of supernatural being he could be thought of as a god of sorts.

Atheism simply means denial of the existence of god/gods. I think it depends on whether one sees this Mara as an actual existing being or as the personification of temptation, i.e. as something that happens in one's mind.

Of course I'm not a specialist in Buddhism so i could be wrong.
Buddhists believe in spirit beings. I am sure strict Buddhists are atheists but it varies, some probably believe in God. They might call demons and spirit beings gods but that does not hold the same significance as other religions that glorify and worship god. They ignore these beings mostly.
 
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Homecoming

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As an extension of my feeling God is just an observer of us and nothing more as far as we are concerned, thinking about the suffering we go through, the only logical conclusion is that God is a psychopath who likes to watch us suffer.
Not just us but animals too. Is it a normal extension of not having any feelings or human emotions to
enjoy watching us suffer?

Hard to conceive of this kind of God.
This quite recent blog post from a Nevada's (internationally) famous psychic might explain and even suprise you @Meditation guide and perhaps other curious and smart SS members:


Copy pasted text from the URL links above (if you're that paranoid and don't trust anyone on internet type of person):

God looked around the conference table and took a sip of his Intergalactic nectar, waiting for the meeting to begin. He was excited to be sitting with all the other gods in the multi-verse. His report was ready, and he was eager to share his experience with the other creators.

The lights flickered a bit, and the board chairman made her way inside. She looked serious, ready for business. God sat straighter in his seat.

"Welcome, everyone," said the board chairman, sitting at the head of the table. "I appreciate your attendance and your time. Let's get right to the reports. Who would like to go first?"

Some gods shifted in their seats, looking a little nervous, but not God, he was ready. He raised his hand and the board chairman called on him.

"Thank you, Ma'am, as you all probably know, I am the creator of Universe 528-314 Alpha. We've got a lovely operation going there. We're still expanding. Lots of planets, lots of life out there, but we're still in our infancy relative to many of you."

The chairman looked through some papers in front of her and said, "Yes, I've read up on your universe. It's well ordered, very tidy."

"Thank you, Madame Chairman. I try to keep things flowing smoothly, and resist the urge to destroy and recreate areas. I've done that in the past and I've realized it doesn't really fix anything. You just have to let your life forms solve their own problems."

The chairman replied, "It says here in this report that your incarnated life forms are imbued with free will. Is that true?"

There was a collective gasp in the room. God looked around at the other beings and started to feel a little defensive.

"Well… yes, Ma'am. I'm not terribly interested in controlling every little thing my life forms do. You see, life is much more interesting and exciting for them if they get to decide for themselves how their lives will turn out. It's exhilarating really."

Another being leaned towards God and said, "But don't they hurt themselves or get lost on their paths? How do you protect them from their folly?"

God replied, "I don't."

More shocked gasps from the room.

God looked around and wondered if maybe he shouldn't have gone first, but he steeled himself and said, "I let them fall down, and I encourage them to rise again. I let them make mistakes, and they learn from them and make different choices. Well, most of the time they make different choices."

The room was silent as the other gods pondered this.

The chairman said, "But what if they decide to do something you don't approve of? What if they hurt other life forms, or damage the planet you gave them?"

God shrugged. "I'm not going to lie, it does happen. It happens every day. My life forms can get pretty ignited, especially because they don't remember they are part of one collective energy."

"Wait," said one of the other gods, "Your life forms don't remember where they come from? And who they really are?"

God said, "Well, no. When they take physical form they forget their lives in the ether."

"Don't you think that's a little barbaric, God? You put them on a planet and they don't remember who they are? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. How do they function without remembering they are loved, that they are one with the universe, that they are all connected?"

God replied, "It's part of the experience, it's part of their growth. When I put them on a planet, I leave it to the others who are already incarnated to teach them how to function there."

The chairman said, "But you mentioned that sometimes your life forms hurt others and destroy aspects of your creation. Don't you want to step in and fix all of that so things run more smoothly?"

"No," said God. "I want them to co-create their shared experience. I want them to have freedom to explore their thoughts and ideas. And yes, sometimes that leads to wars, poverty, famine, and disease, but it just as often leads to innovation, heroism, acts of kindness, and connection to others. I want them to see cause and effect and change their actions when they don't like their results."

Another god leaned in and said, "Has this been a successful model for you? Do you survey your life forms when they slough off their physical forms? Are they happy with your universal policies?"

God perked up a bit and said, "Oh yes. After my life forms return to the ether they are excited to share what they experienced with other souls. They share the heartaches, the joys, the pain, their successes. And they are eager to go back and incarnate again."

One god gasped and said, "They willingly return to the chaos of free will? It sounds so untidy to me. I'm not really sure I understand the benefit of giving them free will if they are going to make messes of their planets."

God swallowed and looked at the group.

He said, "Look, I realize that you guys run your universes a little differently. And I know my model is somewhat new. But I have discovered that when you control every aspect of a soul's incarnation that they feel caged, powerless, and helpless. Free will gives them personal power. They can create any kind of life they want. It causes them to think about their actions and the impact of those actions. It spawns dreams and desires that to some might seem impossible, but to them are achievable. It gives them a playground to take risks, and to reap the benefits of what they've sown. And even though they struggle, they appreciate the opportunity to make their lives whatever they desire. Nothing is outside their reach."

"Do you smite them or punish them when they misbehave?" someone asked.

"No, I do not," God replied. "They must suffer the natural consequences of their actions and decide if they want to change their behavior to manifest different results."

"Do you answer their prayers?" another asked.

"Also, no. Once I set their feet in the world the results they get are up to them. They have the freedom to make their lives amazing or the freedom to destroy their lives if they want to," God replied. "I will not interfere with their experience."

"Do you sever your connection to them when they incarnate? Are they totally without your love and support and care?"

"No, not at all. I am with them, always. I hurt when they hurt. I rejoice in their joy. I celebrate when they manifest great things. And I grieve when they suffer. But I will not take control of their lives or change an outcome for them. It robs them of their experience and personal power."

The chairman said, "It sounds really interesting, to be honest. Would you mind if I tagged along with you when you return and see how this system works in person? I'm fascinated by what you're offering your life forms."

God replied, "Absolutely, I would welcome the scrutiny. I love my souls dearly, and that's why I want them to have the lives of their dreams, unfettered by MY desires for them. I want them to manifest their own experience and know they can accomplish anything."

The chairman said, "Thank you for your report. I think you've given us all something to consider. Who would like to give the next report?"

God sat back in his chair with a smile on his face. He sent an outpouring of love to all of creation, and drank the rest of his nectar.
 
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why does people always believe in god as benevolent being? maybe he really is a psychopath. There are no rules that say that God must be just and kind.
 
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Mm80

Enlightened
May 15, 2019
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Not sticking up for him but...I think hes a decent bloke but it just all got a bit out of hand for him and he lost control of stuff.
When he started out world population was so much lower and shit was more manageable back then.
Apparently one of his biggest flaws is that hes stubborn and will not delegate.
 
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Meditation guide

Always was, is, and always shall be.
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I want them to manifest their own experience and know they can accomplish anything."
I think that's a very Western idea that anyone can accomplish anything and not true at all. I only have to see babies with life threatening conditions crying in pain, people like me who are debilitated by illness, animals suffering horribly.
It sounds very nice and reasonable though if you don't look at it too closely.

God does take a hands off approach if there is a god. But the suffering, no reason for it, not if you look at all the innocent ones who suffer. To be fair I've had a couple of miracles happen, and I've had a lot of good things happen that seem to be benevolent gifts from somewhere.

They used to simply gently smother newborns if they had severe deformities, or painful and incurable problems, as soon as they were delivered. It was considered merciful.

There is a U.S. Senator who lost both her legs in battle, she flew fBlackhawk helicopters, and then after losing her legs she became a Senator. She is fierce. I look to her as an example of bravery in a way I could never be.
Senator Tammy Duckworth
 
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