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Lost Magic

Lost Magic

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I hear a lot about saving people and suicide prevention measures but what happens after that? Do they provide any real support after they 'save someone?' Or do they just virtual signal and let the poor person struggle on? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it is great if someone is saved and they go onto have a somewhat meaningful life. But what about the people who just continue to live out sad and desperate lives regardless? What is their reward for being saved? More endless misery in a society that largely doesn't care? I don't know, maybe I'm the crazy one here haha.
 
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Hope:-)

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I think it stops at saving the person...and that person then probably has a life much like the one they had before. Fun.
 
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Life_and_Death

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Jul 1, 2020
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the problem is how is one suppose to tell the difference between a life that could change and one that wont?
 
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They can only save impulsive ones from death. What about experienced sufferers? They should die I am afraid (!) Because they have no support to give these people they just put them in "jail" and drug them.
 
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FuneralCry

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To me 'saving' someone from a suicide attempt is just wrong. Others should have no right to do this and the fact that suicide attempts are stopped shows that we live in a pro suffering society. It can take a lot of courage and planning for someone to finally be about to go through with it and for someone else to 'save' them just shows how delusional pro lifers are as to the cruel reality of this existence.

Many pro lifers think that suicide is always an irrational act that must be prevented in every single case but if pro lifers actually saw the world for what it really is then they would understand why so many people want to leave it.

I think that 'suicide prevention' is just pro life platitudes and hotlines and things like that. Nothing that could actually take away any of the suffering in this world. Saving someone from suicide is just prolonging their misery.

I've never quite understood the whole suicide prevention thing as the whole idea suggests that death is a bad thing which it could never possibly be as the dead are incapable of suffering. We will all die eventually anyway so there is nothing wrong with someone deciding to exit when the time is right for them.
 
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FrozenMango

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they stop you, give you many drugs, check on you every 15 minutes, and send you home with a significant invoice. In the US, you get treated like a convicted felon and you lose your right to bear arms
 
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Then they'll feel like a hero and start calling journalists for interview, podcast or foundation for another suicide prevention fundraiser proposals.
 
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they lock you in a loony bin for indefinite time and force meds down the throat
they dont care if u got braindamage as technically laws across the world is to commit if person poses 'danger to themself'
then they release you from a quack house and prescribe some shit and don;t care about your existence
le saviour getting 100 to 10k likes on some social media page if case of 'saving a person against themself' posted publicly
 
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they wait until the person tries to suicide again so they can save another time and repeat it many times. Then they update their resume mentioning they prevented 100+ suicides
 
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I hear a lot about saving people and suicide prevention measures but what happens after that? Do they provide any real support after they 'save someone?' Or do they just virtual signal and let the poor person struggle on? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it is great if someone is saved and they go onto have a somewhat meaningful life. But what about the people who just continue to live out sad and desperate lives regardless? What is their reward for being saved? More endless misery in a society that largely doesn't care? I don't know, maybe I'm the crazy one here haha.
For what it's worth I was assigned a psychiatrist (UK). One appointment every three months to review meds which after 20 years of them trying different ones I can say nothing has worked.

I haven't had any other form of help, besides the hospital stay of 4 weeks
 
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You'll end up in the hospital. They'll prescribe you medications you may go through a couple of group sessions and then they will refer you to outpatient treatment.
 
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obafgkm

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I don't know who invented survival instinct. Survival is the worst thing if there is nothing else to do, no goal, no hope, no safety, no warmth, no comfort, no peace...
they wait until the person tries to suicide again so they can save another time and repeat it many times. Then they update their resume mentioning they prevented 100+ suicides
Yes, those NGOs really don't want their goals achieved because they will lose their well paid jobs.
 
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FrozenMango

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Aug 16, 2022
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I don't know who invented survival instinct. Survival is the worst thing if there is nothing else to do, no goal, no hope, no safety, no warmth, no comfort, no peace...

Yes, those NGOs really don't want their goals achieved because they will lose their well paid jobs.
I read somewhere that it is Clinton but i couldn't verify the information or find out the details
 
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wait.what

wait.what

no really, what?
Aug 14, 2020
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Do they provide any real support after they 'save someone?'
No, not really. They're very much "catchers in the rye." They grab people and drag them away from the cliff's edge. Then they are An Hero and they are done.
In the US, you get treated like a convicted felon and you lose your right to bear arms
This usually won't happen if you sign voluntary admission papers at the hospital. It likely won't even happen if you're admitted involuntarily, provided you sort the issue out with the doctors and don't have a hearing in front of a judge. There are some pretty strict laws about what a hospital can and can't say about you and your treatment there. But once the courts are involved, your mental health (or lack thereof) becomes a matter of public record. That can have some pretty devastating effects on your life, beyond a flag next to your name in ATF's database. You certainly won't be winning any custody disputes with your ex after that. You won't be getting any jobs that require a security clearance, either. Ironically, you can probably get your right to legally purchase firearms restored sooner or later. Getting your commitment hearing records sealed is another matter. It's a civil matter and not a criminal proceeding, so there's no such thing as getting it expunged. You're never exonerated of having been mentally ill. You also aren't automatically provided with a lawyer when someone seeks to commit you, the way you would be if you'd been accused of a crime.

I can't really speak to matters outside the U.S., but here it is almost always in your best interest to sign voluntary admit papers if they offer them to you. Do your 72 hours in the hospital, complying as best you can. Swallow their nasty little pills if you can possibly manage it. If there's anything at the hospital that helps you, latch onto it, by all means. Sometimes it's it's really the other patients that provide the most comfort and hope. Sometimes it helps just to be somewhere clean and have people hand you food a few times a day. If the place is useless, just keep telling any staff who ask that you're Really Feeling Much Better Now, Thank You. They're unlikely to keep you long.

Just tossing this next bit out there because it's info I recently needed. It's a process I had to initiate ONCE in 30 years of being in and out of psyche wards. However, the spine of the U.S's healthcare system has largely been broken by covid, so I can't swear that I (or you) will never need to do it again.

If you feel like you're actually being abused or neglected, beyond "my doctor doesn't listen and the nurses are snippy," which unfortunately is every hospital unit everywhere, call the hospital recipient rights office. Don't demand to speak to a judge--it will likely take weeks before you can see one, and you don't want the public paper trail anyway. You should be given the hospital's recipient rights number when they admit you, although it could be buried pretty deeply in the stack of paperwork you're given. If the recipient rights people seem shifty to you too, ask them for the name and number of the hospital's accreditation agency. Get your ducks in a row before you call them. Write down dates, times, and names while you still remember. I'd recommend waiting to make the actual call until you get home. The accreditation agency won't tell you what actions they took (if any); you really call them to make sure the next patient down the line doesn't get mistreated as you were.

Yes, those NGOs really don't want their goals achieved because they will lose their well paid jobs.

I rather doubt it . . . human service jobs pay horribly. Sometimes job security and benefits can make such a career appealing, but you don't really get those outside the civil service sectors of well-off nations. I have absolutely no idea how people survive working at NGO's. I've done some "we r sav the wurld nao, lol" shit myself, but I've sure as hell never worked 18-hour shifts spraying down hazmat suits with bleach in some hot zone, dear God.

I read somewhere that it is Clinton but i couldn't verify the information or find out the details

Hillary invented SI? No wonder nobody likes her. Or do you mean Bill? Nvm--nobody likes him either.
 
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@wait.what

Very informative post. Thanks for the details. I didn't know most of this.

I meant Bill not Hillary
 
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akana

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they lock you in a loony bin for indefinite time and force meds down the throat
they dont care if u got braindamage as technically laws across the world is to commit if person poses 'danger to themself'
then they release you from a quack house and prescribe some shit and don;t care about your existence
le saviour getting 100 to 10k likes on some social media page if case of 'saving a person against themself' posted publicly
literally
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

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Nov 23, 2020
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In my experience after a failed attempt, where police and paramedics were called on me, I was awake enough to tell them to leave. All the police did was repeat the platitudes they are trained to say about life being worthwhile, and how they don't ever wanna get called to my residence again.

The paramedics wanted to touch me and I said no, I'm not comfortable. They kept laying it on thick too about life is good and I need to seek help from a GP. I informed them I tried everything that a GP would have to offer already and that doctors hurt me so I don't want to go back. They ignored every word I had to say and once again just told me to seek help from a GP like a malfunctioning robot script. No one ever contacted me again or showed any sort of concern. All they cared about was getting me on the same meds I'd already taken dozens of times, which are proven not to work.

I got off without being sectioned. However, experiences from other people I know, in other countries, were way different. Even mentioning ctb got them handcuffed in police cars and taken to wards where they were stripped, had any routine medication (even lifesaving steroids, pain medications, birth control, etc) taken from them, forced to have blood taken, injected in the thigh with haldol if they protested any of this or cried because of how they were treated, weren't allowed to have any personal items, and had a guard watching them sleep and piss for as long as they were detained.
 
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In my experience after a failed attempt, where police and paramedics were called on me, I was awake enough to tell them to leave. All the police did was repeat the platitudes they are trained to say about life being worthwhile, and how they don't ever wanna get called to my residence again.

The paramedics wanted to touch me and I said no, I'm not comfortable. They kept laying it on thick too about life is good and I need to seek help from a GP. I informed them I tried everything that a GP would have to offer already and that doctors hurt me so I don't want to go back. They ignored every word I had to say and once again just told me to seek help from a GP like a malfunctioning robot script. No one ever contacted me again or showed any sort of concern. All they cared about was getting me on the same meds I'd already taken dozens of times, which are proven not to work.

I got off without being sectioned. However, experiences from other people I know, in other countries, were way different. Even mentioning ctb got them handcuffed in police cars and taken to wards where they were stripped, had any routine medication (even lifesaving steroids, pain medications, birth control, etc) taken from them, forced to have blood taken, injected in the thigh with haldol if they protested any of this or cried because of how they were treated, weren't allowed to have any personal items, and had a guard watching them sleep and piss for as long as they were detained.
That sounds like a very traumatic experience. Thanks for sharing though. I wish society was kinder and more genuine. Right now, they are all just singing from the same fucked up song book.
 
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I hear a lot about saving people and suicide prevention measures but what happens after that? Do they provide any real support after they 'save someone?' Or do they just virtual signal and let the poor person struggle on? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it is great if someone is saved and they go onto have a somewhat meaningful life. But what about the people who just continue to live out sad and desperate lives regardless? What is their reward for being saved? More endless misery in a society that largely doesn't care? I don't know, maybe I'm the crazy one here haha.
The first time I heard the challenge to the idea that "it gets better" just because one doesn't CTB was in a comic from the 90's called THE MAXX. There was a suicidal character who is talked down. There's some dialogue after the fact telling the reality of what happens next, that it's not all "sunshine and rainbows" just because. That really rang truer than anything I'd heard before or since from the "it gets better" crowd.


"Okay. Here's the point in the story where I throw the gun away an' I have this cathartic revelation that suicide's WRONG, that life's worth living, everything's O.K. You know, all that crap."
"Nobody buys that. That's now why you should go on."
"Why, then?"
"Because thing'sll change. YOU'LL change."
"What about right now?"
"Right now…you wait."
and
"I thought once I decided NOT to kill myself things'd be BETTER. But I still feel just as empty as ever!"
"Pain lasts, kid. It's how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this whole growing up business is just pain management."
"You get that out of a fortune cookie?"
"Very funny."
 

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People don't think about the aftermath. They just think they're a good person for saving you.
 
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People don't think about the aftermath. They just think they're a good person for saving you.
yep, and that is part of the problem. They don't 'think' about the aftermath.
 
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I hear a lot about saving people and suicide prevention measures but what happens after that? Do they provide any real support after they 'save someone?' Or do they just virtual signal and let the poor person struggle on? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it is great if someone is saved and they go onto have a somewhat meaningful life. But what about the people who just continue to live out sad and desperate lives regardless? What is their reward for being saved? More endless misery in a society that largely doesn't care? I don't know, maybe I'm the crazy one here haha.
Yes we are all crazy because nothing really happens the person who saves life feels better I can surely say and they achieve what they were taught saving a life is the biggest thing and you should blah blah lol damn. I always keep imagining what these pro lifers deeply think and what people looking happy on outside or ig feel deep inside? I have met a few who faked being happy then like opened up and I really had to bear with them. The world seems delusional and all we need is Distraction. Good as long as there are distractions once they are gone it's only the vacant bus that you await maybe.
yep, and that is part of the problem. They don't 'think' about the aftermath.
Really if they were to do something they would know people who need help aren't always financially stable and here even hotlines charge like damn man that's the end of eastern world you know? I don't know what they think when they covering it on T.V noone actually cares I would only agree if they weren't forcing people into pysch wards and paying for it or really supporting here I think all they would do is I don't know because I never heard of anyone or someone getting that kind of help here and here you would die because you would feel neglected they just discharge you after suicide attempts once you have recovered lol but I won't deny the life I have seen on internet is good so I am passing my time unt I come to terms with the reality or delusion whatever it is maybe I am wrong but it doesn't matter as it's going to be a choice.
 
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I hear a lot about saving people and suicide prevention measures but what happens after that? Do they provide any real support after they 'save someone?' Or do they just virtual signal and let the poor person struggle on? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it is great if someone is saved and they go onto have a somewhat meaningful life. But what about the people who just continue to live out sad and desperate lives regardless? What is their reward for being saved? More endless misery in a society that largely doesn't care? I don't know, maybe I'm the crazy one here haha.
Your second to last sentence pretty much.
For what it's worth I was assigned a psychiatrist (UK). One appointment every three months to review meds which after 20 years of them trying different ones I can say nothing has worked.

I haven't had any other form of help, besides the hospital stay of 4 weeks
I've never been in-patient but have done the quack every three months thing. And then when they discharged me, I asked for a CPN and was denied as 'I was too stable' FFS!!
In my experience after a failed attempt, where police and paramedics were called on me, I was awake enough to tell them to leave. All the police did was repeat the platitudes they are trained to say about life being worthwhile, and how they don't ever wanna get called to my residence again.

The paramedics wanted to touch me and I said no, I'm not comfortable. They kept laying it on thick too about life is good and I need to seek help from a GP. I informed them I tried everything that a GP would have to offer already and that doctors hurt me so I don't want to go back. They ignored every word I had to say and once again just told me to seek help from a GP like a malfunctioning robot script. No one ever contacted me again or showed any sort of concern. All they cared about was getting me on the same meds I'd already taken dozens of times, which are proven not to work.

I got off without being sectioned. However, experiences from other people I know, in other countries, were way different. Even mentioning ctb got them handcuffed in police cars and taken to wards where they were stripped, had any routine medication (even lifesaving steroids, pain medications, birth control, etc) taken from them, forced to have blood taken, injected in the thigh with haldol if they protested any of this or cried because of how they were treated, weren't allowed to have any personal items, and had a guard watching them sleep and piss for as long as they were detained.
That sounds horrific. Mental health and the way it's dealt with really needs an overhaul.
 
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Your second to last sentence pretty much.

I've never been in-patient but have done the quack every three months thing. And then when they discharged me, I asked for a CPN and was denied as 'I was too stable' FFS!!

That sounds horrific. Mental health and the way it's dealt with really needs an overhaul.
Are you in the UK? Mental health services are stretched to the limit
 
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Because they don't get funded as they need to be. And their are lots of people with issues due to shitty government/capitalism/weather...
 
Hollowillow

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I hear a lot about saving people and suicide prevention measures but what happens after that? Do they provide any real support after they 'save someone?' Or do they just virtual signal and let the poor person struggle on? I mean don't get me wrong, I think it is great if someone is saved and they go onto have a somewhat meaningful life. But what about the people who just continue to live out sad and desperate lives regardless? What is their reward for being saved? More endless misery in a society that largely doesn't care? I don't know, maybe I'm the crazy one here haha.
They even add more psychological violence, take freedom away, needs away... As a punishment for being dangerous to yourself. But they won't punish the abusers who push you into suicide
 
Lily (Osako)

Lily (Osako)

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I wish people could understand that they aren't actually "saving" anyone. They may be prolonging their lives, but they aren't saving them.
We all end up dying eventually anyway.
The question is, is that life worth prolonging. And the only person who can answer that is the person attempting to die.
As for after, the "savior" usually does nothing except accept accolades.
People in the mental health industry take over and most of the time, they don't make anything better. In some instances they make things worse.
There are those few who are helped, which is awesome. Too bad it's not the norm.
 
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