CocoToxBase

CocoToxBase

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Hey everyone on the 12th June I survived quite a traumatic SN experience and I am willing to share and include medical documents for information purposes. I have received all my medical records, there is 500 pages but I've took screenshots of relevant parts to show what SN does to the body and how they treat it If anyone is interested. My case is quite strange as I would initially respond to methylene blue treatment and then deteriorate again.

On 12th June I drove 2h away from home to a remote location, It was a car park in the forest. I sat there for a few hours and drank 20g of SN at around Midnight I also took Buccastem, Propranolol, and Diazepam hours before. The symptoms I experienced was slight tachycardia with no chest pain, I felt some discomfort in my stomach, my hands and feet where cold so I turned up the heating in my car but I was still shaking, I had a minor migraine and just felt very sleepy. I'm not sure about the timings of when I actually went unconscious and my heart stopped. According to the police they do 'patrol' checks in that area for the reasons of people dealing drugs there and having sex in the car and they came upon my car and seen me 'asleep' and they say this was at around 1am. I had the SN packet in the car so the police told the Ambulance what I had likely taken where they sent out an Advanced Paramedic who was carrying methylene blue. I was clinically dead when the police got to me, there was a defibrillator on the car park which they used and It brought me back into a normal heart rhythm along with CPR. When the Advanced Paramedic got there they administered methylene blue straight away. I started to show slow clinical signs of improvement and that's where I remember briefly waking up on route to hospital in the ambulance. I'm not sure what my initial methaemoglobin levels where on scene but when I got to hospital there where at 70.3% I received another dose of methylene blue on arrival to resus.

My oxygen saturations on the finger probe on arrival was 47% on high flow oxygen and dropping to 15% at one point. GCS of 8, very pale with blue lips and abnormal respiration with intermittent pauses in breathing requiring breathing aid via Bag Valve Mask. My Methb dropped from 70.3% to 36.7% after the 2nd dose of Methylene Blue, I required another dose of Methylene blue which dropped my Methb levels to 7%. I actually had got up and walked to the toilet at around 3am with 2 police officers and then went back to my bay and started to get some sleep. Around an hour later they wanted to do a repeat ECG and realised here I was very drowsy, I had turned blue again and my sats where dropping to 60% and my Methb raised from 7% to 40% despite having 3 rounds of methylene blue. My GCS dropped, I became hypoxic and I had abnormal breathing so I was intubated and moved to critical care. Despite all the treatment I received my MetHb kept getting better and than rising and this confused the doctors. I had over 10 doses of Methylene blue, 4 blood transfusions, exchange transfusion but despite all this I was still getting worse so they could only think that I still had SN in my gut that was slowly being absorbed. This is where they inserted a Ryles tube while I was intubated and delivered activated charcoal 50g every 4 hours and aspirated my stomach contents. I was intubated in Resus and extubated in Critical Care but was then re-intubated a few hours later due to my condition rapidly deteriorating again.

There's so much more I could write but I've tried to summarise it to the best I could. Below are links (in time order from admission) of the medical notes. I have scribbled out private and confidential information but I have left all medical notes. Also don't get confused with 'table salt' they thought the SN packet was table salt at first and then realised it was SN.

Hope this is helpful :)

Medical Notes from Resuscitation Ward:


Medical Notes from Critical Care:


Arterial Blood Gases:

ECG:
 
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Agon321

Agon321

I use google translate
Aug 21, 2023
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Sorry for the question, but did you have a failed CTB a while ago because your dog alerted a neighbor?
If so, I must admit you are out of luck.

Interesting and helpful data.

How do you feel now?
Mentally and physically.
 
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Quite an informative post Coco. Hopefully it sheds light on some things users don't really get answers to.
 
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rozeske

Maybe I am the problem
Dec 2, 2023
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Initially I thought this was a summary of your 1st attempt....it took me an embarrassing amount of search and rereading to realize this was your second attempt. My God! I am so sorry. Are you ok now? I can't even imagine what you must be feeling. I don't even bring myself to think of the aftermath if I fail my 1st SN attempt. How are you feeling dear?
 
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divinemistress36

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You were saved again?! Im sorry :(
 
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Jan 8, 2024
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Initially I thought this was a summary of your 1st attempt....it took me an embarrassing amount of search and rereading to realize this was your second attempt. My God! I am so sorry. Are you ok now? I can't even imagine what you must be feeling. I don't even bring myself to think of the aftermath if I fail my 1st SN attempt. How are you feeling dear?
I'm physically ok now I think… Just embarrassing ngl
Sorry for the question, but did you have a failed CTB a while ago because your dog alerted a neighbor?
If so, I must admit you are out of luck.

Interesting and helpful data.

How do you feel now?
Mentally and physically.
very unlucky :( Physically feeling better mentally eh idk how I'm feeling - happy im not a vegetable but also sad I woke up from the coma lol
 
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Agon321

I use google translate
Aug 21, 2023
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I'm physically ok now I think… Just embarrassing ngl

very unlucky :( Physically feeling better mentally eh idk how I'm feeling - happy im not a vegetable but also sad I woke up from the coma lol
Someone would save you even in the Mariana Trench. Half joking, half serious.

Good thing you weren't seriously injured.
At least that's some positive.

I don't know what you plan to do in the near future, but I wish you good luck.
 
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rozeske

Maybe I am the problem
Dec 2, 2023
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I'm physically ok now I think… Just embarrassing ngl
I'm glad you are ok and didn't sustain permanent damage? I don't think you have anything to be embarrassed about. It was just very unfortunate but things don't always go our way.

If I may ask and if you remember, what was almost dying like? Was it just like fallin asleep and waking up when you were coming back to or did it feel like something else?
 
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I'm glad you are ok and didn't sustain permanent damage? I don't think you have anything to be embarrassed about. It was just very unfortunate but things don't always go our way.

If I may ask and if you remember, what was almost dying like? Was it just like fallin asleep and waking up when you were coming back to or did it feel like something else?
I did suffer a small amount of brain damage due to no oxygen going to my brain but it's not affected me that much it's just my memory and attention is shit everything's just a blur.

Ermmm I can't really remember much tbh I just felt very very sleepy and I think I actually went asleep in my car idk though. Waking up with the tube down my throat was the worst - that definitely wasn't a blur, I couldn't speak I was trying to pull the tube out and getting restrained to stop me from pulling it out, felt like i couldn't breathe, I couldn't say I wanted it out but i think i made it quite clear, i was very agitated and then they gave me haliperidol and then i went back to sleep i think aha
 
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
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Thx for sharing your experiences. This is very informative.

I'm glad you recovered 🫂
 
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pulleditnearlyoff

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Apr 26, 2024
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Hey everyone on the 12th June I survived quite a traumatic SN experience and I am willing to share and include medical documents for information purposes. I have received all my medical records, there is 500 pages but I've took screenshots of relevant parts to show what SN does to the body and how they treat it If anyone is interested. My case is quite strange as I would initially respond to methylene blue treatment and then deteriorate again.

On 12th June I drove 2h away from home to a remote location, It was a car park in the forest. I sat there for a few hours and drank 20g of SN at around Midnight I also took Buccastem, Propranolol, and Diazepam hours before. The symptoms I experienced was slight tachycardia with no chest pain, I felt some discomfort in my stomach, my hands and feet where cold so I turned up the heating in my car but I was still shaking, I had a minor migraine and just felt very sleepy. I'm not sure about the timings of when I actually went unconscious and my heart stopped. According to the police they do 'patrol' checks in that area for the reasons of people dealing drugs there and having sex in the car and they came upon my car and seen me 'asleep' and they say this was at around 1am. I had the SN packet in the car so the police told the Ambulance what I had likely taken where they sent out an Advanced Paramedic who was carrying methylene blue. I was clinically dead when the police got to me, there was a defibrillator on the car park which they used and It brought me back into a normal heart rhythm along with CPR. When the Advanced Paramedic got there they administered methylene blue straight away. I started to show slow clinical signs of improvement and that's where I remember briefly waking up on route to hospital in the ambulance. I'm not sure what my initial methaemoglobin levels where on scene but when I got to hospital there where at 70.3% I received another dose of methylene blue on arrival to resus.

My oxygen saturations on the finger probe on arrival was 47% on high flow oxygen and dropping to 15% at one point. GCS of 8, very pale with blue lips and abnormal respiration with intermittent pauses in breathing requiring breathing aid via Bag Valve Mask. My Methb dropped from 70.3% to 36.7% after the 2nd dose of Methylene Blue, I required another dose of Methylene blue which dropped my Methb levels to 7%. I actually had got up and walked to the toilet at around 3am with 2 police officers and then went back to my bay and started to get some sleep. Around an hour later they wanted to do a repeat ECG and realised here I was very drowsy, I had turned blue again and my sats where dropping to 60% and my Methb raised from 7% to 40% despite having 3 rounds of methylene blue. My GCS dropped, I became hypoxic and I had abnormal breathing so I was intubated and moved to critical care. Despite all the treatment I received my MetHb kept getting better and than rising and this confused the doctors. I had over 10 doses of Methylene blue, 4 blood transfusions, exchange transfusion but despite all this I was still getting worse so they could only think that I still had SN in my gut that was slowly being absorbed. This is where they inserted a Ryles tube while I was intubated and delivered activated charcoal 50g every 4 hours and aspirated my stomach contents. I was intubated in Resus and extubated in Critical Care but was then re-intubated a few hours later due to my condition rapidly deteriorating again.

There's so much more I could write but I've tried to summarise it to the best I could. Below are links (in time order from admission) of the medical notes. I have scribbled out private and confidential information but I have left all medical notes. Also don't get confused with 'table salt' they thought the SN packet was table salt at first and then realised it was SN.

Hope this is helpful :)

Medical Notes from Resuscitation Ward:


Medical Notes from Critical Care:


Arterial Blood Gases:

ECG:
Why are you lying? You said that you took SN in your own appartement and your dog alarmed the neighbours. All of your stories don't ad up you know?!
 
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wyo777

When life is a nightmare...
May 18, 2024
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Why are you lying? You said that you took SN in your own appartement and your dog alarmed the neighbours. All of your stories don't ad up you know?
Why u accusing someone about lying without any good reasons? She clearly stated that it was her second attempt. Please read cearefuly, reading with understanding is hard but if u will try harder u will find a lot benefits of it.😉
 
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pulleditnearlyoff

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Apr 26, 2024
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Why u accusing someone about lying without any good reasons? She clearly stated that it was her second attempt. Please read cearefuly, reading with understanding is hard but if u will try harder u will find a lot benefits of it.😉
Read her threads about her second attempt…
 
CocoToxBase

CocoToxBase

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Jan 8, 2024
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Why are you lying? You said that you took SN in your own appartement and your dog alarmed the neighbours. All of your stories don't ad up you know?!
this is my second attempt. I'm not that sad to write pages and pages of medical records. I don't even know what half the stuff means, do you also think i'm an anaesthetic with all them medical terms about intubation. I'm trying to shed more light onto SN due to not much medical knowledge around it but you can think what you want everyone is entitled to their own opinion 😊
 
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I am infinitely grateful to you for this post. You have helped me to make a better decision and you will probably help many others too. Thank you. You are very brave.
 
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Ash

What dreams may come?
Oct 4, 2021
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Why are you lying? You said that you took SN in your own appartement and your dog alarmed the neighbours. All of your stories don't ad up you know?!
Open your calendar. What is today's date? When was the twelfth of June? When was the attempt when the dog alerted the neighbours? What did other members say before you in this thread?

🤦
 
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I am infinitely grateful to you for this post. You have helped me to make a better decision and you will probably help many others too. Thank you. You are very brave.
No problem!
 
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divinemistress36

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@CocoToxBase would you use SN again?
 
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lnlybnny

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Jan 25, 2024
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thank you for sharing such enlightening information. i'm glad you're feeling ok (as much as possible).
would you still try SN again or what would be your choice of method now?
 
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belowhorizon

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Apr 4, 2024
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Is it 20mg for 100ml of water?
 
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DefinitelyReady

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Mar 14, 2024
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I am infinitely grateful to you for this post. You have helped me to make a better decision and you will probably help many others too. Thank you. You are very brave.
Can I ask how your decision chsnged? If you don't want to say here you can pm me.
 
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infinitend

Tudo é transitório
Apr 10, 2024
65
@CocoToxBase .The doctors comment if he had been found about 2 hours later instead of 1 hour after SN, would he have survived? I would like to know the ideal window of not being found.
 
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@CocoToxBase .The doctors comment if he had been found about 2 hours later instead of 1 hour after SN, would he have survived? I would like to know the ideal window of not being found.
it just depends on how long your brain has not been receiving oxygen for
 
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persimmon

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Jan 21, 2024
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Hope this is helpful :)

It really is. You've provided actual data are on real-life attempts which is what people on here desperately need. Sorry you've had to go through this trauma twice but it wasn't in vain. Sounds like you just got unlucky with the circumstances - it happens. Take it easy.
 
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Did the police ask where you got it from?
 
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tvo

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Apr 3, 2024
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Thank you for your kindness and selflessness to share your experience with us. This Thread is very informative and useful. 🙏🏼
 

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