SN brain damage chance is extremely low

[DreamEnd]

Just thought I'd state it here. The chances of getting brain damage from sn are extremely low. There is only one case out of all available literature ever regarding it.

Delayed Post-Hypoxic Leukoencephalopathy Following Nitrite Poisoning: A Case Report and Review of the Literature

Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Man drinks soup that has sn in it. Recovers and 2 months later has dphl symptoms.

Most of the cases of dphl are related to overdose of opiates.

"Delayed post hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a rare consequence of hypoxic brain injury that occurs several days to weeks following an initial hypoxic insult. Most of the previously published cases occur in the setting of drug overdoses or carbon monoxide poisoning, where the incidence of DPHL is as high as 3%."

So it's 3% for both carbon monoxide and opiates overdose. It doesn't talk about sn at all even though technically both work around the same concept of hypoxia. Granted, there are way more opiate overdoses than sn but it's still 3% for opiates and CO.

My lucky guess would be that getting dphl for a healthy adult from sn is close to or around 0.5% given the fact that we only have one case in the available literature.

I don't know about other things like organ damage etc but many people talk about brain damage here and I just wanted to show that the chances of actual brain damage from hypoxia from sn are way lower than of opiates or CO.

 

[Agon321]

I think the time in which the person is saved is crucial. The later, the greater the chance of permanent damage. Of course, I have no medical knowledge, but that's how it usually works, so it's probably similar in this case. Therefore, if someone wants CTB, they must make sure that no one finds it during this time. It is very important.

 

[DreamEnd]

I think the time in which the person is saved is crucial. The later, the greater the chance of permanent damage. Of course, I have no medical knowledge, but that's how it usually works, so it's probably similar in this case. Therefore, if someone wants CTB, they must make sure that no one finds it during this time. It is very important.

Yeah but I actually think that the time period between being saved with brain damage and dead is very small given the fact that there are no known survivors so far who have brain damage but I may be wrong. There have only been people with certain complications unrelated to the brain but even then they are a minority.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I think the time in which the person is saved is crucial. The later, the greater the chance of permanent damage. Of course, I have no medical knowledge, but that's how it usually works, so it's probably similar in this case. Therefore, if someone wants CTB, they must make sure that no one finds it during this time. It is very important.

That's how it goes, for anyone making an attempt, better to make sure that it's what you want and will see it through because there's always a chance of significant sequelae should you survive so in all circumstances, especially the aftermath of an attempt where things are most likely to get worse, it's better to not survive at all.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Well, here's another case of a woman who had extensive brain hypoxic injury even after treatment of Methelyne however she still died after brainstem testing confirmed brain death.

 

[DreamEnd]

Well, here's another case of a woman who had extensive brain hypoxic injury even after treatment of Methelyne however she still died after brainstem testing confirmed brain death.

Damn they really go to her near the line between life and death.

 

[Agon321]

Yeah but I actually think that the time period between being saved with brain damage and dead is very small given the fact that there are no known survivors so far who have brain damage but I may be wrong. There have only been people with certain complications unrelated to the brain but even then they are a minority.

Even if the chance is not very high, there is still a chance that damage will occur. It's not worth tempting fate :). I also don't know any case of permanent brain damage, but there were people who had problems. For example, someone probably had a problem with urination, if I'm not mistaken. You should also remember that a person with permanent brain damage has no way of informing anyone about it. However, I think that if there were such cases, the mainstream media would start talking about it. In conclusion, according to our current knowledge, the risk is not high, but it still exists

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Damn they really go to her near the line between life and death.

Yeah, despite what she suffered through especially after PEA arrest which gave her such a slim chance of survival, they tried anyway but in most cases where someone gets cardiac arrest from SN, they're rarely ever survive. Amazing what people will do to keep you alive at all costs against your will.

 

[DreamEnd]

Even if the chance is not very high, there is still a chance that damage will occur. It's not worth tempting fate :). I also don't know any case of permanent brain damage, but there were people who had problems. For example, someone probably had a problem with urination, if I'm not mistaken. You should also remember that a person with permanent brain damage has no way of informing anyone about it. However, I think that if there were such cases, the mainstream media would start talking about it. In conclusion, according to our current knowledge, the risk is not very high, but it still exists

Any method ever will have that chance. Even shotgun to the head is like 99%. Yes I remember the urination guy. And yes if they couldn't log back in there would be media talking about them for sure especially after the bbc article.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

However, I think that if there were such cases, the mainstream media would start talking about it. In conclusion, according to our current knowledge, the risk is not very high, but it still exists

With that in mind, that goes for every method, it's just a reminder that some methods do have a lower risk of damage compared to others but yes, I just wouldn't want to tempt fate and survive thinking I'll be fine when there's no guarantee I won't be. Better to ctb after the courage of drinking it than surviving with medical bills and a very, very upset and distraught family.

 

[Agon321]

Any method ever will have that chance. Even shotgun to the head is like 99%. Yes I remember the urination guy. And yes if they couldn't log back in there would be media talking about them for sure especially after the bbc article.

That's it :). Life is one big probability calculation. It is best to choose the most likely options, but even they may not be sufficient. We can't get past some things.

 

[strangelife]

The essence of the sn method is that the supply of oxygen to brain cells is disrupted, as well as to all organs, I do not really understand how there can be no brain damage if a person survives. I think everything depends very much on the time of the start of treatment, but for the brain, as far as I know, 3 hours are critical, and in general 10 minutes without blood circulation and complete brain death.

 

[DreamEnd]

The essence of the sn method is that the supply of oxygen to brain cells is disrupted, as well as to all organs, I do not really understand how there can be no brain damage if a person survives. I think everything depends very much on the time of the start of treatment, but for the brain, as far as I know, 3 hours are critical, and in general 10 minutes without blood circulation and complete brain death.

See this is something I don't understand either and we would need a medical professional here. But there seems to be a difference between hypoxia occurring from sn and CO or opiates for instance. The difference is the reason why we haven't had any brain damage cases on sasu. Of course one could say simply that they couldn't log back in but I wouldn't count on it being the case

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Brain damage happens due to a lack of oxygen. However the brain can "survive" with a relatively low amount of oxygen although someone is unconscious already. The time between becoming unconscious/coma is crucial here. That's my personal opinion and not a medical advice.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

Just thought I'd state it here. The chances of getting brain damage from sn are extremely low. There is only one case out of all available literature ever regarding it.

Delayed Post-Hypoxic Leukoencephalopathy Following Nitrite Poisoning: A Case Report and Review of the Literature

Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Man drinks soup that has sn in it. Recovers and 2 months later has dphl symptoms.

Most of the cases of dphl are related to overdose of opiates.

"Delayed post hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a rare consequence of hypoxic brain injury that occurs several days to weeks following an initial hypoxic insult. Most of the previously published cases occur in the setting of drug overdoses or carbon monoxide poisoning, where the incidence of DPHL is as high as 3%."

So it's 3% for both carbon monoxide and opiates overdose. It doesn't talk about sn at all even though technically both work around the same concept of hypoxia. Granted, there are way more opiate overdoses than sn but it's still 3% for opiates and CO.

My lucky guess would be that getting dphl for a healthy adult from sn is close to or around 0.5% given the fact that we only have one case in the available literature.

I don't know about other things like organ damage etc but many people talk about brain damage here and I just wanted to show that the chances of actual brain damage from hypoxia from sn are way lower than of opiates or CO.

It's also notable that this case involved accidental ingestion, the chances of brain damage are lower with deliberate ingestion because the person who ingests SN doesn't call an ambulance!

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Imo the probability of damage from SN is less than from life. Especially since I don't know of any SN Survivors with brain damage . There is a probability of any human getting brain damage from a stroke , accident, car accident , attack , etc but nobody talks about that how dangerous life is only how dangerous the few suicide methods some still have access to supposedly are. And I don't want anyone to try to correct me with some single supposed unicorn the exception that proves the rule

 

[DreamEnd]

Imo the probability of damage from SN is less than from life. Especially since I don't know of any SN Survivors with brain damage . There is a probability of any human getting brain damage from a stroke , accident, car accident , attack , etc but nobody talks about that how dangerous life is only how dangerous the few suicide methods some still have access to supposedly are. And I don't want anyone to try to correct me with some single supposed unicorn the exception that proves the rule

Not to sound like a contrarian but if you adjust for US population then people actively living with some form of brain damage amounts to 1.60%. Most car accidents do not involve getting brain damage. It's really not as dangerous as you think it is and yes it is fair to assume that attempting suicide is more dangerous than just living life lol it's not really a position you would want to defend.

It's also notable that this case involved accidental ingestion, the chances of brain damage are lower with deliberate ingestion because the person who ingests SN doesn't call an ambulance!

Well some definitely do. We have many examples on the forum of people calling ambulance after drinking sn. SI is hard to overcome

 

[thegoldengirls]

I think the time in which the person is saved is crucial. The later, the greater the chance of permanent damage. Of course, I have no medical knowledge, but that's how it usually works, so it's probably similar in this case. Therefore, if someone wants CTB, they must make sure that no one finds it during this time. It is very important.

Right. It's very crucial to know you'll be alone.
It reminds me of Whitney Houston's daughter who overdosed on a different cocktail of drugs while drowning. They "saved" her and the poor woman was apparently in a vegetative state before she passed away. That's my biggest fear.

 

[DreamEnd]

Right. It's very crucial to know you'll be alone.
It reminds me of Whitney Houston's daughter who overdosed while drowning. They "saved" her and the poor woman was apparently in a vegetative state before she passed away. That's my biggest fear.

Her daughter used opiates, Benzos and cocaine if I remember correctly. Very dangerous mixture if you are saved indeed

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Not to sound like a contrarian but if you adjust for US population then people actively living with some form of brain damage amounts to 1.60%. Most car accidents do not involve getting brain damage. It's really not as dangerous as you think it is and yes it is fair to assume that attempting suicide is more dangerous than just living life lol it's not really a position you would want to defend.

Well some definitely do. We have many examples on the forum of people calling ambulance after drinking sn. SI is hard to overcome

That's a bunch of prolife propaganda.

25% life time chance of stroke . 40% life time chance of cancer and that's just 2 hells out of 100s that can entrap a human into unbearable pain or torture. Accidents diseases , parasites, kidnapping torture , disabilities,rape, old age. 100s of nightmares can happen to a human. Life is very risky and dangerous.

Most humans will end up old and with extremely high probabilities of dementia stroke and constant pain.many in nursing homes will be begging for assisted suicide

 

[DreamEnd]

That's a bunch of prolife propaganda.

That's literally taking into account the population of USA and how many have brain damage. It's literally census population lol. And you specifically talked about brain damage.

25% life time chance of stroke . 40% life time chance of cancer and that's just 2 hells out of 100s that can entrap a human into unbearable pain or torture.

A life is a very long time. You can make an argument for ending life early but stroke usually happens after you are 65. It's 10% for under 45 And again there are many factors that influence it.

Again you don't know how to interpret data

Risk statistics can be frustrating because they can't tell you your risk of cancer. Studies may have found that American men have about a 40% chance of developing cancer in their lifetimes. However, that doesn't mean your risk is 40% if you're a man. Your individual risk is based on many different factors. These factors may include age and habits, family history of cancer, and the environment in which you live.

Accidents diseases , parasites, kidnapping torture , disabilities,rape, old age. 100s of nightmares can happen to a human. Life is very risky and dangerous

Can doesn't mean will. If you take care to minimize those risks which for everything you listed there is absolutely ways to minimize them than chances of encountering those things are minimal. People aren't uniform creatures, you can't generalize like that at all.

Living in different countries, participating in dangerous behavior, growing up in a certain environment all affects those risks. Some are more likely than others to be affected by them. It's not an issue you can generalize

 

[kiveran]

One of the virtues of SN is that, if you get to the point where you pass out, and you've taken enough, you're generally going to be dead in under 30 minutes after that. It's not like carbon monoxide where you lay there still living for hours. Someone would have to find you quick, and get you help, quick.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

That's literally taking into account the population of USA and how many have brain damage. It's literally census population lol. And you specifically talked about brain damage.

A life is a very long time. You can make an argument for ending life early but stroke usually happens after you are 65. It's 10% for under 45 And again there are many factors that influence it.

Again you don't know how to interpret data

Risk statistics can be frustrating because they can't tell you your risk of cancer. Studies may have found that American men have about a 40% chance of developing cancer in their lifetimes. However, that doesn't mean your risk is 40% if you're a man. Your individual risk is based on many different factors. These factors may include age and habits, family history of cancer, and the environment in which you live.


Can doesn't mean will. If you take care to minimize those risks which for everything you listed there is absolutely ways to minimize them than chances of encountering those things are minimal. People aren't uniform creatures, you can't generalize like that at all.

Living in different countries, participating in dangerous behavior, growing up in a certain environment all affects those risks. Some are more likely than others to be affected by them. It's not an issue you can generalize

bs that life is long . ask any older human the decades pass by like a blink . most humans end up in pain or demented old. horrible things like accidents cancers stroke kidnapping torture which are high as millions diseapear each year , very high chance of disabling accident cancer stroke etc,

many younger people get strokes

Young Adults at Risk of Stroke

Having a stroke isn't limited to those over 55.

www.froedtert.com

many younger people get strokes and become disabled by car accidents diseases, get cancer, get kidnapped tortured etc. too . there are 100s of horrible things that can happen to any human any day on top of the daily sufering and boredom.there is extremely high probability of stroke cancer arthritis dementia in old age and most humans end up in horrible dangerous old age and it happens fast cause life is very short.

in the US. alone 600,000 people go missing every year. how many of those are children , young people and how many are being tortured or raped in some basement.

How many missing persons are found?

CHARLESTON, WV (WVNS) – There are a lot of missing people in the United States. As of December 31, 2021, the National Crime Information Center’s (NCIC) database contained 93,718 active …

www.wvnstv.com

every human is under threat of falling into a trap of unbearable pain every day.

40% chance of cancer lifetime. 25% chance of stroke . ,,most natural deaths are tortorous long and painful. all get old which is hell . life is hell

your posts are just prolife propaganda . i don't buy any of your lies and spin who cares what you say. nothing matters every human / primate will be dead in 130 years and the universe will also die in heat death. go bother someone else with your pro-life propaganda. i don't care what you say nor want to see any pro life lies.

 

[DreamEnd]

bs that life is long . ask any older human the decades pass by like a blink . most humans end up in pain or demented old

some people tolerate some pain and are happy to be alive. Your claim that it's bad for the person to have any pain is absolutely devoid of reality. Not everyone old is literally disabled in terrible pain, nor demented.

. horrible things like accidents cancers stroke kidnapping torture which are high as millions diseapear each year , very high chance of disabling accident cancer stroke etc,

Millions? How many millions? The US population is 331 million. The risks aren't the same for everyone. Literally provide a source for any of this

High chance of disabling car accident? Provide evidence

many younger people get strokes

Young Adults at Risk of Stroke

Having a stroke isn't limited to those over 55.

www.froedtert.com

many younger people get strokes and become disabled by car accidents diseases get kidnapped tortured etc. too.

Dude the link literally tells you there are life factors that can influence a stroke. I have already explained to you how risk factors work, you have to account factors that go into the person, the percentage isn't the same for literally every person

"A sedentary lifestyle and a poor diet are somewhat to blame for the increase of stroke in the young because providers are seeing some of those risk factors in patients at increasingly younger ages,"

Literally from your link

Brain Basics: Preventing Stroke

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www.ninds.nih.gov

Many younger people? You realize the chances of having a stroke under 45 are minimal right? Not everyone young is literally at a serious risk of a stroke unless they have family history

there is extremely high probability of stroke cancer arthritis dementia in old age and most humans end up in horrible dangerous old age and it happens fast cause life is very short.

Most humans? Do you have a source showing any of this?
1 in 10 elderly adults has dementia. And dementia isn't always debilitating and they can live with some forgetfulness. Of course there are totally debilitating cases it is unclear how many out of total dementia cases are there.

in the US. alone 600,000 people go missing every year. how many of those are children , young people and how many are being tortured or raped in some basement.

How many missing persons are found?

CHARLESTON, WV (WVNS) – There are a lot of missing people in the United States. As of December 31, 2021, the National Crime Information Center’s (NCIC) database contained 93,718 active …

www.wvnstv.com

Did you read the post you cite?

"You know, the missing touches everybody, I think. In 2012, we had 661,000 cases of missing persons; and that's just from that one year. Very quickly, 659,000 of those were canceled. So that means those persons either come back; in some cases, located as deceased persons, maybe never an unidentified person; or just a total misunderstanding. So at the end of 2012, of those 661,000 minus the canceled, we had 2,079 cases that remained at the end of the year as

Some of the cases come back lmao where did you get 600000 from? Did you just Google click the first link you found?

your posts are just prolife propaganda . i don't buy any of your lies and spin who cares what you say. nothing matters every human / primate will be dead in 130 years and the universe will also die in heat death.

Dude all I have said is literally supported by evidence and data meanwhile you are just saying that these things can happen without any data lmao. Yes everyone knows they can happen, doesn't mean they will nor does it mean the risks are high and you have provided zero evidence to show otherwise. The first link you provided literally said tbere are risk factors, the second link contradicted what you stated in your comment. Anything else?
Also the universe will never end

40% chance of cancer lifetime. 25% chance of stroke . ,,most natural deaths are tortorous long and painful. all get old which is hell . life is hell

Do you understand how risk factors work? The 40% isn't for every single person. There are risk factors my dude. Some are more likely than others. How do you not understand that? I have literally quoted a medical site for you

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

you keep posting pro-life lies.

every human will get old unless they die young and then that's usually a painful or drawn out natural death. old age is hell . most need assistance and very high probability of horrible chrnoic diseases in old age . old age alone proves life is bad.

yes . milions of people have been tortured raped kidnapped by other humans. you seem to think that is funny. and also all the other billions who have been tortured by life. you also seem to think that is funny or something to spin or debate,.

just on this site i've seen many suffering immensely in traps.

every human is under threat of unbearable pain many ways this could happen cancer, diseases, accidents , kidnapping torture, rape attacks parasites . it's very rare that human reaches the age of 85 withuot any thing really horrible happening to them .all you post is pro-liife lies trying to spin this one statistic of this one thing while ignoring the many ways life , other humans, this world can and does torture so many
it is true that there is close to a 40% chance of cancer lifetime and that alone makes life too dangerous. anyone can get cancer. that's just one hell out of 100's

many younger people get strokes and become disabled by car accidents diseases, get cancer, get kidnapped tortured etc. too . there are 100s of horrible things that can happen to any human any day on top of the daily sufering and boredom.there is extremely high probability of stroke cancer arthritis dementia in old age and most humans end up in horrible dangerous old age and it happens fast cause life is very short.

go "enjoy" getting old and ending up in a nursing home. i worked in one it's unimaginable hell. fyi nothing matters. who cares what another programed machine says or does i don't.

old age is hell unimaginable to anyone under 60.
nothing matters every human / primate will be dead in 130 years and the universe will also die in heat death
you are on ignore .

 

[DreamEnd]

you keep posting pro-life lies.

Which one is a lie ?

every human will get old unless they die young and then that's usually a painful or drawn out natural death. old age is hell . most need assistance and very high probability of horrible chrnoic diseases in old age . old age alone proves life is bad.

Old age isn't hell for everyone I have literally told you you are generalizing for everybody. My grandpa is doing just fine. And my grandma who is mostly bed ridden is also doing just fine believe it or not. She wants to live and is happy to be alive.
You haven't posted any proof on the likelihood of chronic diseases

every human is under threat of unbearable pain many ways this could happen cancer, diseases, accidents , kidnapping torture, rape attacks parasites . it's very rare that human reaches the age of 85 withuot any thing really horrible happening to them .all you post is pro-liife lies trying to spin this one statistic of this one thing while ignoring the many ways life , other humans, this world can and does torture so many
it is true that there is close to a 40% chance of cancer lifetime and that alone makes life too dangerous. anyone can get cancer. that's just one hell out of 100's

You haven't posted a single statistic confirming any of your claims. I already addressed the cancer risk which you are conveniently ignoring.
How does the world torture do many? There arre 8 billion people. Are most of them literally tortured?

many younger people get strokes and become disabled by car accidents diseases, get cancer, get kidnapped tortured etc. too . there are 100s of horrible things that can happen to any human any day on top of the daily sufering and boredom.there is extremely high probability of stroke cancer arthritis dementia in old age and most humans end up in horrible dangerous old age and it happens fast cause life is very short.

Post literally any proof for any of your claims. You are just saying stuff and that's it. Yes there is always a risk for anything but that risk depends on many, many things. You haven't any shown any substantial proof for car accidents, kidnapping, torture. Guess what, there is a risk of getting struck by lightening to oh wow crazy right. Every time you make a claim about the probability of something you aren't showing any proof at all.

go "enjoy" getting old and ending up in a nursing home. i worked in one it's unimaginable hell.

Idk it seems to be hell for people working there and not for people who actually live there.

old age is hell unimaginable to anyone under 60.
nothing matters every human / primate will be dead in 130 years and the universe will also die in heat death
you are on ignore .

You keep moving goal posts and pivoting from topic to topic. I have literally addressed every single claim you made and you didn't respond to any of it. Just calling them "pro life" lies won't do it. It looks like you aren't interested in a conversation and just want to gishgallop everything you seem bad about life

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

yes milions of people have been tortured raped kidnapped by other humans. you seem to think that is funny and something to spin or debate,. . and also all the other billions of humans who have been tortured by life. you also seem to think that is funny and something to spin or debate,.

you invalidate the millions who are sufffering unbearably now with your "debating" spinnig lying apologizing for life

And as much as you try to spin anyone with a brain cell can figure out that yes there are many missing children and young people now being tortured or raped and others that were raped and tortured like Junko Furuta was.

 

[DreamEnd]

yes milions of people have been tortured raped kidnapped by other humans

Are we counting all of history now from the Neanderthal ?

you seem to think that is funny and something to spin or debate,.

What I'm debating is your claims that life is such a terrible thing that literally everyone who is alive is literally guaranteed to be tortured. Doesn't seem like a case for many people does it?

. and also all the other billions of humans who have been tortured by life. you also seem to think that is funny and something to spin or debate,.

you pivoted from what happens today to now starting to count the whole period of human history. Yes probably if you count all of it from the beginning then yes billions have probably been tortured although you'd have to do a lot of digging to make that claim. But how does it prove any of your claims that life is a bad thing now? Are we torturing billions of people at the moment?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Are we counting all of history now from the Neanderthal ?

What I'm debating is your claims that life is such a terrible thing that literally everyone who is alive is literally guaranteed to be tortured. Doesn't seem like a case for many people does it?

you pivoted from what happens today to now starting to count the whole period of human history. Yes probably if you count all of it from the beginning then yes billions have probably been tortured although you'd have to do a lot of digging to make that claim. But how does it prove any of your claims that life is a bad thing now? Are we torturing billions of people at the moment?

as i said most natural deaths are very painful or drawn out so yes most humans are tortured to death . most people die of cancer and that is very painful. so is alsheimers and a heart attack is painful. most humans get old and will be tortured by arthritis and other painful diseases dementia for decades , alshiemers . old age itself is hell and most over 65 need assistance with daily tasks.

even while young can get kidnapped tortured raped cancer stroke . but old age virtually gaurantees torture.

nobody under 60 can imagine how bad old age is. i worked in a nursing home

yes when you add up all the threats and horrible things that can happen it's very likely a human will be tortured on top of daily hell suffering that is life anyway.

Two-thirds of seniors need help doing one or more daily activities - Harvard Health

A longer lifespan can be a double-edged sword. You live for more years, but the later years may not necessarily be what you had in mind. We’ve known for some time that about 25% of older Amer...

www.health.harvard.edu

 

[DreamEnd]

as i said most natural deaths are very painful or drawn out so yes most humans are tortured to death

Source ?

. most people die of cancer and that is very painful.

Source ?

so is alsheimers and a heart attack is painful. most humans get old and will be tortured by arthritis and other painful diseases dementia for decades , alshiemers .

How do you know if the people who have those illnesses are literally tortured by them? My grandma has arthritis and she doesn't have it influence her life at all.
For literal decades? What? Why do I have to look up the claims for you? Tell me what the chances of getting any of those illnesses is and we will talk

old age itself is hell and most over 60 need assistance with daily tasks.

That's absolutely not true. Not over 60 no way.

even while young can get kidnapped tortured raped cancer stroke . but old age virtually gaurantees torture.

Absolutely untrue. Yes you can get kidnapped. Chances of that are very low unless you are living in a really bad country

nobody under 60 can imagine how bad old age is. i worked in a nursing home

I know people who work there and many do love it and have no problems with elderly people

yes when you add up all the threats and horrible things that can happen it's very likely a human will be tortured on top of daily hell suffering that is life anyway.

But you have no evidence to support any of that tho? How do you come up with this? And how can you even assume that if this were to happen to someone it would be torture? What if they are kidnapped and before anything is done to them they are saved? Are they tortured then? You aren't accounting for any nuisances. You are painting everything with broad generalized statements