SN, brain damage, and coma

[pillow933]

I recently read this:

Methemoglobinemia caused by sodium nitrite overdose

A 20-year-old man who was comatose and centrally cyanotic arrived at the emergency department 1 hour after ingesting 21 g of sodium nitrite that was purchased online as part of a “suicide kit” found by the patient’s family; it included a measurement scale, a flask for dissolution in water and

www.cmaj.ca

Which discusses a state of 'comatose' following an admission to the ICU for a patient who attempted SN.

Of course, one of the more appealing things advertised here about SN is that there seems to be very little risk associated with failing. What does 'comatose' mean in this context? I've seen definitions that differ between being in a coma and just being rendered deeply unconscious (as would be expected with SN). If SN can induce a coma that would be deeply worrying surely?

Also, I've seen it discussed here but don't remember seeing a concrete answer. SN's main method of action is through methemoglobinemia, which as I understand it is depriving the body of oxygen. How would depriving the brain or heart of oxyen for an extended period of time (and then say failing or being brought back by methylene blue) not result in organ/brain damage?

Thanks for any info/help!

 

[Someone123]

This is a high percentage method compared to some, but it also does fail a lot. I don't knwo what the % success rate is, a wild guess might be 70-80% at the highest, if the protocol is followed and if 911 isn't called, but i8t could easily be lower, I persoinally doubt if it is higher. In the case in this study this person was at the hospital in about an hour, and it takes 1 to 4 hours to work. How this person was discovered is not known, but there are a lot of reports of people making noise during this process and this leading to rescue. It still may be my method, I think I will likely try it at some point, but I do think that inert gas methods are much better if you can actaully get them to work- charcoal seems like a good method if a person can do it, but if you live in an apartmet where can you light charcoal in the middle of the winter? MOst peopl wouldn't have a good place for this.

This person did seem to recover well within two days, but that seems to be because they received the antidote within an hour.

 

[sizzlingfootnote]

This is a high percentage method compared to some, but it also does fail a lot. I don't knwo what the % success rate is, a wild guess might be 70-80% at the highest, if the protocol is followed and if 911 isn't called, but i8t could easily be lower, I persoinally doubt if it is higher. In the case in this study this person was at the hospital in about an hour, and it takes 1 to 4 hours to work. How this person was discovered is not known, but there are a lot of reports of people making noise during this process and this leading to rescue. It still may be my method, I think I will likely try it at some point, but I do think that inert gas methods are much better if you can actaully get them to work- charcoal seems like a good method if a person can do it, but if you live in an apartmet where can you light charcoal in the middle of the winter? MOst peopl wouldn't have a good place for this.

Please don't try lighting a charcoal grill in an apartment. The gas could could get into your neighbors'. The unattended grill could cause a massive fire. Even if you hate your neighbors, don't be a murderer. You could kill many innocent people you've never even met, including first responders.

 

[Someone123]

Please don't try lighting a charcoal grill in an apartment. The gas could could get into your neighbors'. The unattended grill could cause a massive fire. Even if you hate your neighbors, don't be a murderer. You could kill many innocent people you've never even met, including first responders.

Yes, of course, I didn't mean that I would. I am saying that for apartment dwellers there are not good options during hge winter- during the summer you could possibly try lighting charcoalo outside, wait until it stops smoking, and then put this into a car- this is the most feasible option for apartment dwellers, but it's till tough finding a location to do this that does not cause suspicion- what lights a charcoal grill by themselves in a park?

 

[sizzlingfootnote]

I don't know, sounds like you're prepared to set yourself and your car on fire and then wake up in a burn ward.

 

[Someone123]

I don't know, sounds like you're prepared to set yourself and your car on fire and then wake up in a burn ward.

YOu really don't understand the charcoal method. I have seen reports of this working in the news. YOu heat up charcoal and put it in a metal pan and wait until it stops smoking and put it in a car with the vents shut off and the co puts you to sleep pretty quickly and you're gone pretty quickly and there is no firte. There was a very sd case in the news where a lady did this to herself and her two young children- people should obviously never do ths to children. I have never heard of a fire starting fronm this method, but I* have heard of people putting charcoal in while there is still smoke and tehn they leave the car because the smoke becomes too much.

 

[pillow933]

This is a high percentage method compared to some, but it also does fail a lot. I don't knwo what the % success rate is, a wild guess might be 70-80% at the highest, if the protocol is followed and if 911 isn't called, but i8t could easily be lower, I persoinally doubt if it is higher. In the case in this study this person was at the hospital in about an hour, and it takes 1 to 4 hours to work. How this person was discovered is not known, but there are a lot of reports of people making noise during this process and this leading to rescue. It still may be my method, I think I will likely try it at some point, but I do think that inert gas methods are much better if you can actaully get them to work- charcoal seems like a good method if a person can do it, but if you live in an apartmet where can you light charcoal in the middle of the winter? MOst peopl wouldn't have a good place for this.

This person did seem to recover well within two days, but that seems to be because they received the antidote within an hour.

I think the inert gas method definitely sounds more painless and effective, but it also seems to be a lot more complicated. Or am I wrong?

 

[Someone123]

I think the inert gas method definitely sounds more painless and effective, but it also seems to be a lot more complicated. Or am I wrong?

Charcoal is one of the inert gas methods. There are others as well, but charcoal is the easiest to do.

 

[sizzlingfootnote]

YOu really don't understand the charcoal method. I have seen reports of this working in the news. YOu heat up charcoal and put it in a metal pan and wait until it stops smoking and put it in a car with the vents shut off and the co puts you to sleep pretty quickly and you're gone pretty quickly and there is no firte. There was a very sd case in the news where a lady did this to herself and her two young children- people should obviously never do ths to children. I have never heard of a fire starting fronm this method, but I* have heard of people putting charcoal in while there is still smoke and tehn they leave the car because the smoke becomes too much.

all i can say is this is both dangerous and silly

 

[Someone123]

ll i can say is this is both dangerous and silly

You just don't understand this method- it can be much more peaceful than sn, you just drift off to sleep i9n your car or a tent. Sn can lead to lots of painful vomiting and other distressing symptoms, though it can be fairly peaceful too.

 

[pillow933]

Anyone got any comments about the brain damage/coma part?

 

[lionetta12]

Anyone got any comments about the brain damage/coma part?

I don't mind risking ending up in a coma, but brain damage is what I'm scared of if I end up surviving, but I didn't think that was possible with SN?

 

[LookingOverTheEdge]

I think people need to be realistic about what they're considering. With any method, you're talking about applying a force of some sort to end your own life.

Sn, Charcoal, whatever. These things damage the body. That's how death works. There will always be the risk that something goes wrong and you survive with that damage. That's simply a fact. There's no method that can avoid this chance or be considered foolproof.

Take SN for example. Which is what I will use if and when I attempt again. It deprives your body of oxygen. When the body is deprived of oxygen, damage occurs. If you survive the attempt, and the effects of the SN took hold for long enough, there's a very real chance that damage will have been done. SN has the reputation of no long term damage. That's with intervention within a reasonable time frame. With no intervention, there is going to be an element of gambling.

I'm not posting this to scare anyone. But people need to be realistic about what they're considering here. You're talking about poison, or trauma, or other 'violent methods' to end your own life. What part of that gives the impression that it's a safe thing to do with no bad consequences!?

 

[Someone123]

Anyone got any comments about the brain damage/coma part?

Brain damage can happen with any method that falls short of ctb, the risk of this with each method varies.

 

[stilhavinightmares]

Anyone got any comments about the brain damage/coma part?

I didn't see anything in the actual article about these topics, but maybe that's just my exhausted brain missing it