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enviro400mmc

enviro400mmc

#1 cake123 fanboy
Nov 27, 2022
101
Time for a little personal rant, read if you want but I won't take the slightest offence if you don't care.

The SN I ordered has arrived. First a quick note for those who want to order SN, particularly from IC to the UK as I did and are nervous: Everything went very smoothly. I ordered and it arrived in just 9 days. I did send my ID although it sounds from others like that might not actually have been necessary. The package is EXTREMELY inconspicuous - just a white envelope which has little indication of what is inside of it beyond saying 'sodium salt' in small writing an a label with all sorts of other delivery information. Reception at my uni accomodation recieved it and kept hold of it for 3 days seemingly without there being any suspicion.

Anyway, onto my personal situation. I don't have my life planned beyond Friday. I have lived the past 3 weeks of my life with the understanding that I will kill myself. My life right now is a life of oppressive pain. Yet if I were to wake up on Saturday morning it will somehow manage to become so, so much worse. I am not really logistically prepared to live life beyond that point - I have so many commitments and appointments which I would have to deal with if I live beyond that point but have just given up on dealing with on the basis that they won't matter in a week. And I'm certainly not emotionally prepared to live past this point - to have to deal with the pain of the last 20 years of my life, of my constant failure to fit into society and the depression I have had almost infallibly since I became sentient.

My life has been far more peaceful for the past month since I set this date to CTB. I've been largely able to disregard anxiety about the future because I know I don't have to worry about one. It's weird because it has somewhat allowed me to enjoy my interests, seeing my family etc a bit more without it being tainted by the state of my life. Occassionally this has made think about reconsidering killing myself, only to realise how necessary it is as soon as I think about the state of my life and any potential recovery I could attempt to make (more on that later).

The bottom line is this: I need to kill myself on Friday night. I have committed to that. And in many ways I am comfortable with that and feel like I am ready. But I still can't help that fear that when the time comes I just won't be able to do it. For a start, I know that SI is obviously very strong with everyone and that is going to be a difficult barrier to overcome, particularly without any meds to take with the SN. I feel like it is going to be particularly bad with me - I am naturally a risk averse person who doesn't particularly like heights or pretty much anything scary or dangerous. And there are other signs that gives me fear that when Friday evening comes about I am not going to be able to drink the SN. For example, I know that my suicide is probably going to devastate my wondeful family who have treated me so well over the past 20 years. The rational part of my brain has accepted that tradeoff is something which just has to happen to end my suffering. But I feel like it hasn't affected me much emotionally. I fear that I am not feeling strongly about this because deep down in my brain I don't believe I am actually going to drink SN on Friday night.

Also, my acceptance of suicide and death as a whole is quite reluctact and full of grief. I am not one those people on these forums who finds the shear nature of existence repulsive and prefers the idea of death. I do believe that living is generally the preferable thing for most people, just that my life is not one of those lives that warrents that. I have occassionally gone through phases of my life where I would randomly get really anxious about the entire concept of death and never living again for infinity, obviously at very independant times to my suicidal episodes, although this one I am currently in is obviously by far my most serious. Killing myself is not something I am going to have an easy time doing.

So yeah, waking up on Saturday morning is an absolutely terrifying but also a very real thought. And nothing reaffirms my desire for suicide more than thinking about recovery. The idea of trying to drag myself out of my current situation sound completely impossible, terrifying and filled with never ending pain. I will have to live a life of being inherently belittled for my mental health difficulties and mindset - everyone will think I'm batshit insane and completely stupid if I am to survive a suicide attempt. You see, I can often feel embarassed about my reasoning for wanting to CTB, even on SS I sometimes feel like a fraud compared to the people who have had to go through real adversity and get scared to share my difficulties. I have had an incredibly priviliged upbringing in a well-off household with wonderful parents and a very close relationship with my sister. I have generally done well academically, am studying a good degree at a good university (admittedly I don't love it but it is tolerable )and would generally have good future prospects if I didn't let depression and dissatisfaction consume my life.

Ultimately the depression is about the lack of social contact I have had through my life. This has been something which I have honestly been perenially depressed about since I was about 5. I have occasionally had friends but have generally felt unpopular and not had a social circle to really go and live life with (particularly in my teen years). This is something I have always been very unhappy about and it is becoming something which makes me ever more anxious and upset as I grow up, life becomes less sheltered and having a support circle of friends becomes even more necessary than it already is. As an aside, the swift failure (through no real fault of my own) of my only real romantic encounter probably isn't helpful but I certainly would be willing to keep living (and indeed would not even be considering suicide) if I was otherwise satisfied with how my life had been socially. The final straw for me has come at uni, when my entire group of friends systematically turned on me for little reason. Not only do I have to deal with the isolation and loneliness from that, but I have to deal with being genuinely hated. I have often consoled myself with the fact I don't get into conflicts with people and losing that is losing a huge source of what little sense of self worth and happiness I ever had.

The reality is this reason is only a slightly more nuanced version of 'I am going to kill myself because some people are being mean to me', and I think the nuance is very important here but I doubt most will see it. It doesn't really matter whether or not they do though because if I try to seek help or fail an attempt then people are going to think I am absolutely batshit insane. In some ways I think I'm crazy and stupid. People go through actual proper adversity and never put a thought to killing themselves. But the stigma toward people with poor mental health is so strong and just cripples my desire to attempt life yet again. I know how bad it is to live as someone suffering mentally because I know how I have treated other people in similar situations when my life has been less difficult. I don't want to live life simultaneously as a burden while being condensendingly looked down on by everyone else in their toxic happiness. The other option is to carry on living a closeted life of fake satisfaction. No thanks.

This didn't end up being brief but covers my situation pretty much fully. I know I have to kill myself on Friday - my bus ticket is booked and I know exactly how to use it. But sometimes I do wish that I didn't have to.
 
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almostoutofhere

almostoutofhere

Living in the past
Dec 27, 2022
163
This is my worst fear too, having that SN mixed right in front of me and not be able to follow through. I already accepted death as my fate, and don't see my situation getting any better, but I know my brain is gonna be playing tricks on me.
 
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stermc

stermc

libertas quae sera tamen
Nov 24, 2022
946
Your situation is really similar to mine, in some ways.
I have a loving family, a extremely close relationship with my sister. I am privileged. Went to college, am young, am capable of accomplishing things and build a future.

All of this also makes me feel like a fraud sometimes. My problem is inside my mind. My mind is the one killing me, not the circumstances I live in.
I don't see myself being happy or living a healthy life, because my mind doesn't let me (and I have tried many things).

I don't think we are a fraud because of that. How are we supposed to runaway from our minds or mental issues?
It's like we are doomed, cursed or something.

I am sorry you have to go through this as well.

Also, I am sorry about people in uni hating on you. That sucks. But I am sure there are a lot of people who would love to be friends with you (I know I would).

If you don't drink the SN on friday or if it doesn't work and you fail that attempt, it's okay. You are not a coward, a fraud or anything like that.

You are a human being and things are hard.
 
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Dolphin55

Dolphin55

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Jan 7, 2023
178
I hope you find the courage you need. Sounds like a terrible situation to be in, I'm so sorry.
My lack of social connection has caused me great pain, too, so i understand your desire to ctb. I've been isolated and sheltered from the world due to my parents and my own anxiety for the 22 years I've been alive. I've never had a real friend. It's made me incredibly depressed, lonely and broken.
So I totally understand your desire to ctb. At the same time, it is true, you don't HAVE to - you have SN, you can go at any time you choose. You have full control. Maybe the feeling you have that you won't actually take it is a part of you that's just not ready to let go yet.
You could keep fighting, and since you're so young, it's possible things will improve, that although your previous relationship and friendships haven't worked out, you might find new ones some day. That your depression could improve. Obviously, I don't know the full details of your situation, and I'm not going to try to convince you you shouldn't cbt if it's truly what you want. Ultimately, if you've just had enough, then that's fair. You don't have to keep fighting if you don't wish to. Your problems are real and your pain is real, and being 'privileged' in other senses doesn't take any of that away. You say you feel like a fraud compared to people who had to go through 'real adversity', but your depression and struggles with social connection are real adversity, I promise, even if others can't see that.

For me, personality, my heart isn't ready to give in yet, although my situation looks pretty hopeless. I don't really want to continue fighting a battle I don't think I can win, yet I'm also aware that I'm still capable of fighting in some sense, and so long as that exists, some hope does too.
I don't really know if I'm making sense, or if anything I'm saying is helpful at all. I just saw your post and my heart hurt for you. Whatever happens, I hope you find peace. Keep us updated, talk to us here if you should like

(A final note; if you do cbt, dispose of any packaging information which could lead back to the company you ordered the SN from, as we don't want pressure put on these companies for supplying it)
 
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MaidenException

MaidenException

god makes no mistakes but he MaidenException
Sep 26, 2022
37
This is my worst fear too, having that SN mixed right in front of me and not be able to follow through. I already accepted death as my fate, and don't see my situation getting any better, but I know my brain is gonna be playing tricks on me.
I feel this. I'm so afraid that I'll "feel" myself dying, that I will watch myself turn blue and panic as I cross the point of no return. Even though I've considered every possibility and don't see a way things will get better. Every day I'm alive just further proves that to me.

OOP, I'm sorry you're going through all this. But suicide is a deeply personal thing. You don't need to "earn" the right to bodily autonomy and choosing a peaceful and dignified death. I'm really sorry that social conditioning and "it could always be worse" pro-life propaganda has made you feel bad for feeling bad. Your pain is just as real as anybody else's.
 
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spinningship

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Dec 20, 2022
166
Not having a solid friendship circle for your entire life sounds awful. It's understandably incredibly hurtful to have everyone turn on you just as you thought you had some stability socially. Frankly friendships and relationships are what gives life its zest. Without those we're just automatons. For me getting into my dream uni ended up making me feel worse than if i'd gone to a worse one because i'm surrounded by people living their best lives incredibly fulfilled socially and I just know I will never be able to tap into that. It's like being black and white surrounded by a world of colour. So sure it could be far worse but often ignorance is bliss.
 
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LookingOverTheEdge

LookingOverTheEdge

Hello Darkness my old friend
Jul 13, 2020
355
Loneliness is very much a killer. I'm right there with you friend. I hope that things work out for you, whatever you decide to do.
 
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Archamais

Archamais

Member
Jan 8, 2023
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I too have made the decision and set the date. I'm sick of loving all the wrong people. It's my greatest worry too that I'll wake up and just feel even worse.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
43,314
Your wish to be free from this world is understandable, as it makes sense wishing to escape from all future pain. I know that for so many people having to deal with loneliness can be painful, it really is so awful how many humans just create more suffering when enough already exists. At least you have the option of SN, I think that those who have SN by their side right now are fortunate but of course suicide isn't always straightforward even if one has a reliable method as it's like the SI exists just to prolong our torment and keep us trapped here even if we really wish to die. But I hope that you find the freedom that you wish for, best of luck.
 
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enviro400mmc

#1 cake123 fanboy
Nov 27, 2022
101
Thank you guys for all your comments. They have been comforting and helpful. I feel like literally every hour of my life that passes both the sense of necessity of CTBing and my fear of doing it grow exponentionally. Occassionally someone is nice to me and I think of the burden I am going to be putting on them by having interacted with me the week I ctb. I really hope they don't feel guilty and like they could have done something to prevent it or notice something was up with me (which incidentally would be completely impossible - no-one could predict that I am about to ctb from how I am acting irl). But at the same time my life is still a never ending cycle of pain. And as I've already said the thing that just really gets me is the thought of having to try and recover. Just admitting the reality behind my current state is going to open to me to a world of hurt. The thought of having to listen to one more pep talk from my therapist. Or having to hear my parents talking about me 'threatening' suicide again. I really feel like unless I actually do it my feeling will never be accepted and I will forever have to live in a state of being belittled until I can get over myself. And it's that or carry on living this unliveable life in constant pain and fake happinness. All my options are just so incredibly terrible man.
 
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LookingOverTheEdge

LookingOverTheEdge

Hello Darkness my old friend
Jul 13, 2020
355
Thank you guys for all your comments. They have been comforting and helpful. I feel like literally every hour of my life that passes both the sense of necessity of CTBing and my fear of doing it grow exponentionally. Occassionally someone is nice to me and I think of the burden I am going to be putting on them by having interacted with me the week I ctb. I really hope they don't feel guilty and like they could have done something to prevent it or notice something was up with me (which incidentally would be completely impossible - no-one could predict that I am about to ctb from how I am acting irl). But at the same time my life is still a never ending cycle of pain. And as I've already said the thing that just really gets me is the thought of having to try and recover. Just admitting the reality behind my current state is going to open to me to a world of hurt. The thought of having to listen to one more pep talk from my therapist. Or having to hear my parents talking about me 'threatening' suicide again. I really feel like unless I actually do it my feeling will never be accepted and I will forever have to live in a state of being belittled until I can get over myself. And it's that or carry on living this unliveable life in constant pain and fake happinness. All my options are just so incredibly terrible man.
I feel you with that last sentence. I really do relate to the way you're feeling and the situation you describe. Thank you for sharing. I really hope that you find the right path for yourself, whatever that may mean
 
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LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
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Thank you guys for all your comments. They have been comforting and helpful. I feel like literally every hour of my life that passes both the sense of necessity of CTBing and my fear of doing it grow exponentionally. Occassionally someone is nice to me and I think of the burden I am going to be putting on them by having interacted with me the week I ctb. I really hope they don't feel guilty and like they could have done something to prevent it or notice something was up with me (which incidentally would be completely impossible - no-one could predict that I am about to ctb from how I am acting irl). But at the same time my life is still a never ending cycle of pain. And as I've already said the thing that just really gets me is the thought of having to try and recover. Just admitting the reality behind my current state is going to open to me to a world of hurt. The thought of having to listen to one more pep talk from my therapist. Or having to hear my parents talking about me 'threatening' suicide again. I really feel like unless I actually do it my feeling will never be accepted and I will forever have to live in a state of being belittled until I can get over myself. And it's that or carry on living this unliveable life in constant pain and fake happinness. All my options are just so incredibly terrible man.
I'm so sorry. I'm pretty much in your exact position. Facing down imminent CTB with all the usual difficulties because of necessity. feelings. In fact I had been planning tomorrow for CTB but unsurprising that's not going to happen.

What leads you to conclude it's necessary instead of merely preferable?
 
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enviro400mmc

#1 cake123 fanboy
Nov 27, 2022
101
Welp, another day, another feeling of turmoil and no progress at all as to my fate on Friday. It's such a rollercoaster of emotions and I just don't know what to do with myself. After I wrote my brief update last night I stayed up until like 2am and then I thought I would give a call to my university's mental health hotline. Interestingly they are very pro choice and refuse to intervene or even advise against suicide (I know their policies because I trained to work for them) and I thought it might just be helpful to talk through my problems and and actually have it come out of my mouth for the first time. It was definitely worth doing it but it was such a weird experience. The entire time I spoke completely emotionlessly and calmly, it didn't sound real actually coming from me, sometimes I felt like I was doing some kind of prank call. The line was a bit unclear so it was very difficult to tell But yeah ultimately I finished the call with exactly the same uncertainty.

Anyway I was then woken up at 8am at because of a fire alarm, had to stand in the freezing cold around people who hate me, I tell you what I had no doubt for the rest of the morning. But then I had to go to an actual class and I went with another person on my course who is always quite nice to me and it was just generally quite an alright experience. We also are both on our uni squash team and went to training later in the afternoon, for me it may well be my last time ever playing. And again like it doesn't do anyting at all to make my life feel less hopeless but it does just kinda make me wonder whether I should really have to end myself. And yet then I get back to my room and just remember how much pain I'm going through in life, how much pain I'd go through if I tried to live with what I deal with.

What leads you to conclude it's necessary instead of merely preferable?
Interesting question. I suppose these are all just words. I feel like after Friday my life will be beyond my emotional pain tolerance. And its also the point at which I genuinely don't know how I am going to live my life. The past 3 weeks have only been tolerable because I've acted as if I'm going to CTB on Friday, even though I know deep down it is far from a certainty.
 
LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,352
That's been the case for me but for longer than a few weeks. I've been in CTB mode and have done everything with that assumption. Which is dangerous because as you say there are no guarantees.

Uncertainty is normal. You say you are a student. It sounds like you believe that things won't better after you graduate, right?

I think a good tip is this: if you have to actively convince yourself to CTB, then it probably isn't right for you.
 
LookingOverTheEdge

LookingOverTheEdge

Hello Darkness my old friend
Jul 13, 2020
355
I think a good tip is this: if you have to actively convince yourself to CTB, then it probably isn't right for you.
I think this is wise. Suicide should always be a last resort, not a first choice. If you have to convince yourself that it's what you need to do, then I think perhaps it's not the right thing at that point.

I say this purely as my opinion, and with no wish to detract or minimise the suffering people are going through.
 
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sevenelevenths

Member
Jan 6, 2023
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And again like it doesn't do anyting at all to make my life feel less hopeless but it does just kinda make me wonder whether I should really have to end myself. And yet then I get back to my room and just remember how much pain I'm going through in life, how much pain I'd go through if I tried to live with what I deal with.
Feeling this right now. Going about life normally I suppose and giving myself a couple of weeks to sort logistics out. Went out to eat with friends, went on a nice bike ride this week- and moments like those do slip in and make me feel hints of doubt. But I think what gives me peace, or at least makes me feel better is knowing that this decision is mine alone. And that- well at least in my mind- this is the most logical choice- the one that's best for me. Agreeing with the needing to convince yourself points also.
 
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enviro400mmc

#1 cake123 fanboy
Nov 27, 2022
101
It sounds like you believe that things won't better after you graduate, right?
Well for a start I am in my first year - it is still an awful long time to wait around being depressed for things to only... get harder as I get older and social opportunities dwindle. And yeah I could do well in my degree and probably get a decent job but its so hard to get any motivation to do anything when you are just crushingly depressed and fed up with other aspects of life.

I got a phone call from my mum today. I did a pretty terrrible job at pretending everything is alright although she asked whether she worried and I said 'no' unconvincingly. She was pressuring me to try out all sorts of new things which would be perfectly reasonable if I wasn't planning on dying tomorrow. It's so hard because I love her and feel bad over killing myself so soon after talking to her and promisng to keep in touch. But at the same time the call really reminded me of why killing myself seems like the only way forward. This constant feigning of not living in complete pain is miserable and I don't feel like I could live with opening up about my problems and dealing with the constant degredation that comes with it.

Obviously I don't want to actively force myself to CTB. I don't think I would be able to though when it comes to actually drinking the SN. What happens tomorrow is what will happen. I'm going to start fasting tomorrow morning, write a note and go through all the rituals. Then I just have to wait and see. Very difficult to find the motivation to stay alive right now tho tbh.
 
LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,352
Well, to tell the truths I had intended for yesterday to be my last day and well, you can conclude how that you went. So you'll be facing some serious odds against you.

What happened to cause your friends to leave you?
 

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