Shutting down Sanctioned Suicide achieves nothing because the entire Internet itself is a market place for information about sucide methods

[FireFox]

Shutting down Sanctioned Suicide achieves noting because in the internet itself is a enormous market place of information about suicide methods.There are so many other alternative websites and blogs which the BBC, Sky News, CNN, Suicide prevention lobby and the general public don't even know exists

● When I was a teenager I found this a blog online that was made by an American performer called Jerry Hunt who killed himself using carbon monoxide gas because the poor man was suffering from terminal cancer. His blog gave instructions on using this method. His blog is still up there on Google I should know because I was reading it 2 days ago and I regularly read it. This is the method I could end up choosing.

Does Google get punished for allowing this information but to be so easily seen? NO it doesn't.

● When I was a teenager I used to explore the lost all hope website which gave detailed information about suicide methods.

●There are many scientific websites, books and journals that give information on how fatal a substance can be and even breaking down how dangerous certain milligrams are for the body being exposed to this amount.

Do people report these academics and journals to the police ? Absolutely NOT because these journals are what medical students and those working in medicine need to know.

In the age of advancing technology new online underground communities keep getting formed and its getting harder for the public, media and police to find. This happens all the time. Reddit shut down the mgtow sub community despite this many online underground incel communities still exist. The same also happened with the gender critcal sub despite its removal many gc feminist communities exist with their members promoting their prejudice towards transpeople. All its takes is knowing a person or opportunity to give you access to such a platform. The dark Web also provides a wider platform of information a person needs a VPN and a TOR browser.

If Sanctioned Suicide was to shut down today another website equivalent will get created.

Suicide prevention campaigners should be focusing on fighting to reform the broken mental health care system which is inaccessible to the general public. Here in my country people face very long NHS waiting lists for mental health treatments. Campaingers should be also working to alleviate social inequalities which are causing people suffering and distress.

I also believe if we had a better world suicide would be the exception and not the norm. Sanctioned Suicide is not the problem society is.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

This. I first found out about SN on 4chan long before joining this site. There are plenty of threads on Twitter describing the scuba mask method and there are even guides to auto-erotic asphyxiation on kink websites.

People who want to blame this site for the deaths of their loved ones are always going to be wrong but knowing that probably isn't going to stop them sadly.

 

[Tesha]

Personally I think the website talktofrank should be taken down. It tells you about a lot of illegal drugs, methods of administration, how to make sure you've got the real deal and which ones to mix to increase chances of death.

The best bit is the UK government fund it…

Sanctioned Suicide is not the problem society is.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Optimu$]

Tell those activist bastards all of the above, just ram it down their throats!!
Mozilla @FireFox

 

[Dark Moon]

Yeah and even if this place did shut down, people will find more and other drastic methods to ctb.

The mental health support here is almost non existent.

 

[FireFox]

This. I first found out about SN on 4chan long before joining this site. There are plenty of threads on Twitter describing the scuba mask method and there are even guides to auto-erotic asphyxiation on kink websites.

People who want to blame this site for the deaths of their loved ones are always going to be wrong but knowing that probably isn't going to stop them sadly.

@Dr Iron Arc I used to question why suicidal people who have family and friends especially those with never reach out to family and friends then when I became suicidal at 21 I finally understand why a person keeps their feelings to themselves

The first person I reached too when I was suicidal was my close friends in my university law class. I was always there for this friend no matter what was happening in her life.

What happened when I told them ? She at first stuck around and told me to talk to my relatives my own age. She comes from an African family background like me. Her relatives are kind and caring. I explained to her my relatives are not the kind of people you can share things with. My relatives made fun of my mental health problems as teenager so if I told them I was suicidal I will be gossiped about and made fun of- that part I can't tell people. She even told me I should go to church. she told me depression is a problem that exists in western countries.

When I was still depressed she was even getting frustrated in one conversation we had she said " oh still" that is when I detected her frustrations. My mental health declined as I progressed into 3rd year of university.

This Friend began to avoid me at university campus. One day on campus we were hanging out with other people in our law class. Together we went to the library areas but I stayed behind to check out some books.

When I was leaving the library I saw my friend gathered with the others and when she saw me she and the others ran away from me.

Another friend in my law class stopped talking to me after I messaged her that I was suicidal after exams ended. She didn't care to check up on me.

These women were Christian who went to church every Sunday.

When I told my own family I was depressed they treated me like an inconvenience and complained how irritated they were feeling about me being depressed.

My experiences made me realise if a person doesn't reach out it is for a reason. These families who lose loved ones to suicide don't want to acknowledge that instead blame social media, the government, Sanctioned Suicide or anything else.

Yeah and even if this place did shut down, people will find more and other drastic methods to ctb.

The mental health support here is almost non existent.

@Dark Moon Exactly The general public still has not comprehended that the Internet has evolved so much it can no longer be controlled. Shutting down online communities no longer works because newer communities keep springing up across the Internet. The information about sucide methods will always exist.

Before the creation of Sanctioned Suicide sucide forums still existed such as Alt Sucide holiday and others too. In every generation you are going to have sucide forums because a broken society opens a door for vunlerable people wanting to escape. Sucide forums give that space and support.

Sucide forums are end result of what happens when society doesn't support its vunlerable people. Why should a person live in world where nobody cares about them and the system keeps failing them rather than helping them with their problems.

Tell those activist bastards all of the above, just ram it down their throats!!
Mozilla @FireFox

@Optimu$ I would have never ended up on Sancreed Sucide if people in my life actually listened to me and took me seriously when I said I was depressed after my 21st birthday. The family and older people around me didn't want to listen instead dismissed, judged and even complained about me reaching out. My mum complained how irritating I was being and I should "change the record". My friends in my law class knew I was suicidal and eventually distanced themselves from me, these women went to church every Sunday. The NHS I struggled to get help. In the end found myself here

I really wanted to live and fought so hard. I went 2 months without suicidal thoughts in 2022 at 25 and it was the best period of my life. In 2023 last year it all went wrong rapidly and now I want to die again.

I turned 27 this week and my final years of my 20s are now spent ending my own life successfully. If only someone in the real world cared enough to listen and tried tp show me that I can have an amazing future but nope I was just dismissed.

Spending time on Sanctioned Sucide I have learnt it is a community of the downtrodden. I have met so many people on here who have gone through a lifetime of trauma and suffering. This website has truly opened my eyes about the real suffering people go through in life , the determination to try to and make things work out to finally losing the battle to life. I have learnt so much from people on here for that I will be always be grateful.

People who attack Sanctioned Sucide do not understand how people in this world actaully suffer and do not have the privilege of caring friends, families and acess to good quality supportive mental healthcare. Society doesn't give a shit about these people because if society did then society would work to reform the system and make sure these people's lives are improved upon. People bash Sanctioned Suicide to make themselves feel better their own lives.

I have met people who have attacked this website and calling it "evil" and these were same people who participated in their cyber bullying of me and blaming me for my own mental health problems.

Its easier to blame a site rather than to actually fix the society that is driving people to kill themselves.

 

[willitpass]

This website is not the first, nor the second, not even the third suicide forum. They have been around since the dawn of the internet. ASH was the first I believe. This website is an extension of a subreddit with the same name that got shut down. I'm sure there were plenty more. This website is not a novel concept. One gets shut down, another comes up. I think that says something. Suicidal people want to feel heard in a safe space. Not a place where toxic positivity will be shoved down their throat. Not a place where they will be dismissed or berated. Not a place where they will end up locked in what Id argue is worse than prison. They want to feel heard and they will go out of their way to build communities where they can do just that. This is not the first forum, nor will it be the last. People want to be around people like them.

I also think it speaks numbers that the amount of users on suicide forums have only gone up even as backlash has become more mainstream? Maybe the issue isn't the sites, maybe the issues is what's causing people to feel the need to be here. Fix the mental healthcare system, lord knows that broke beyond words. Fix the economy. Fix the loneliness epidemic. Find new treatments for people who are treatment resistant. Fix the physical healthcare system for those drawn here by severe illness. Fix all of those things and I think you'll see the number of users dwindle day by day. Sure, we'll always have the adamant crowd who believe there is nothing worth living for, but if you fix what makes probably 95% of us feel the need to be here, maybe there won't be such a need for places like this.

 

[justpeachyyyy]

The best way to prevent suicides is to make life more worth living. Life only seems to be getting worse and worse for people and the suicide rate is only going up. Instead of shutting down places like this and covering their ears to people's problems they could do something to improve lives. Out of sight out of mind for them I guess.

 

[smvrtsa]

ah yes good ole reliable lostallhope

 

[Roseate]

When I was younger, I found all these methods on how kill myself and like they even had like this book on Amazon with step by step instructions it had different methods but yeah it wasn't hard to find it. When you go looking there's nothing you won't find so if they think it's going to stop anyone, they need to open their eyes and actually pay attention.

 

[onbekend]

Shutting down Sanctioned Suicide will have negative effects on the internet. For one, We have a recovery section in which hundreds of people post in. Two, We are a small community of people (in comparison to other forum websites anyway) who will move to other platforms if necessary. Three, this forum doesn't supply people with methods to CTB. There are methods discussed on here, But nobody talks about exactly how to do them unless it's to prevent others from making mistakes that could result in serious injury.

 

[SMmetalhead36]

The best way to prevent suicides is to make life more worth living. Life only seems to be getting worse and worse for people and the suicide rate is only going up. Instead of shutting down places like this and covering their ears to people's problems they could do something to improve lives. Out of sight out of mind for them I guess.

Exactly.

 

[FireFox]

The best way to prevent suicides is to make life more worth living. Life only seems to be getting worse and worse for people and the suicide rate is only going up. Instead of shutting down places like this and covering their ears to people's problems they could do something to improve lives. Out of sight out of mind for them I guess.

@justpeachyyyy Society and humankind is the illness and the suicide is the symptom. Why should a person live in a world where nobody appreciates them, the system is broken in supporting people who need help and more and more we are becoming a self centred me, me me culture where people don't respect others and use people.

People judge Sanctioned Suicide but nobody wants to question why do people feel suicide is the way?

Shutting down Sanctioned Suicide will have negative effects on the internet. For one, We have a recovery section in which hundreds of people post in. Two, We are a small community of people (in comparison to other forum websites anyway) who will move to other platforms if necessary. Three, this forum doesn't supply people with methods to CTB. There are methods discussed on here, But nobody talks about exactly how to do them unless it's to prevent others from making mistakes that could result in serious injury.

@onbekend If Sanctioned Suicide shut down today I will kill myself very quickly because this community is the only place where I can open up, talk about the hypocrisy of societys attitude about suicide without being judged. In the real world I have no friends, a mother who is not great listening, awful relatives who I can't share anything with because they gossip too much and enjoy seeing other family members fail and NHS mental health services are not great where I live.

If Sanctioned Suicide shut down the isolation will be too much for me and I won't cope this time round. I really wanted to live but the support didn't exit no matter how hard I tried.

The first time I tried to give life a chance and took a break from Sanctioned Sucide it ended up not well. I decided to rejoin a depression support community I previously belonged too and I found myself builled out of a depression support community.

In the depression group I mentioned on the forum as truthfully as possible that sometimes i wished I died of covid19 because I don't really deserve to be alive in this world. The moderator of the site she attacked me and she said my comments are "insulting " and she talked about how she has been shielding during the pandemic due to her disabilities. Another site member she was the biggest bully and she criticised me on the site. She brought up about her cousin died of covid19 and didn't get to say goodbye. She called me " selfish " and said i didn't "understand "what i was talking about. She is in her 40s and also she said " I wish I was young, had a law degree and a caring family " She attacked me on the site the moderator along with all the site members sided with her as she builled me. I ended up being accused of attacking her when I tried to defend myself. The whole community turned against me.

The same month on the site when I wrote a post about how if you kill yourself people seem to care more about you and really appreciate you than if you were alive. I made reference to the suicide of a famous UK celebrity who killed herself who got loads of massive public outpouring of love. The moderator responded with hostility and called my comments "offensive". She imposed restrictions on my posts which were every post i wrote had to be approve.

She was soo rude and mean when I decided to leave the site. This experience led me back to Sanctioned Suicide.

I have tried reddit and discord support groups all I have gotten is judgement and even blamed for my problems. Here on SS no one judges me here. If this site was to shut I will be pushed into suicide due to the fact the isolation and no support will be too much for me.

This website is not the first, nor the second, not even the third suicide forum. They have been around since the dawn of the internet. ASH was the first I believe. This website is an extension of a subreddit with the same name that got shut down. I'm sure there were plenty more. This website is not a novel concept. One gets shut down, another comes up. I think that says something. Suicidal people want to feel heard in a safe space. Not a place where toxic positivity will be shoved down their throat. Not a place where they will be dismissed or berated. Not a place where they will end up locked in what Id argue is worse than prison. They want to feel heard and they will go out of their way to build communities where they can do just that. This is not the first forum, nor will it be the last. People want to be around people like them.

I also think it speaks numbers that the amount of users on suicide forums have only gone up even as backlash has become more mainstream? Maybe the issue isn't the sites, maybe the issues is what's causing people to feel the need to be here. Fix the mental healthcare system, lord knows that broke beyond words. Fix the economy. Fix the loneliness epidemic. Find new treatments for people who are treatment resistant. Fix the physical healthcare system for those drawn here by severe illness. Fix all of those things and I think you'll see the number of users dwindle day by day. Sure, we'll always have the adamant crowd who believe there is nothing worth living for, but if you fix what makes probably 95% of us feel the need to be here, maybe there won't be such a need for places like this.

@willitpass The reason why people want this site shut down because its is easier to shut it down than to work hard long term to fix the real issues with our broken mental health care system, social and economic problems and factors that lead people to end thier and so much more. If we had a better compassionate society that actaully helped people with their problems and made people feel they have a place in this world then suicide would be the exception and not the norm.

The suicide prevention lobby and the army of grieving parents who lost a loved one to suicide need to show they are doing something about the issue of suicide and also to make themselves feel better( let's be honest) and to give themselves comfort over their grief

So it's much easier to go after websites and online communities then virtual signal on social media over shutting down a website and hounding its moderators than to actaully tackle the problems that led people to kill themselves because that using resources and having uncomfortable conversations to go go the root of the problem.

It's a lot of work to help a vunlerable person but nobody wants the responsibility.

When I was younger, I found all these methods on how kill myself and like they even had like this book on Amazon with step by step instructions it had different methods but yeah it wasn't hard to find it. When you go looking there's nothing you won't find so if they think it's going to stop anyone, they need to open their eyes and actually pay attention.

@Roseate A sucide book on Amazon I am actually shocked that was allowed but nobody demands Amazon be shut down and prosecuted for allowing the book. Nobody dares hound Jeff Bezos over it.

The suicide prevention lobby are hypocrites.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Who, exactly, is shutting down SaSu?

 

[trappedinthislife]

Yeah and even if this place did shut down, people will find more and other drastic methods to ctb.

The mental health support here is almost non existent.

Exactly, this forum actually helps hold me together. THis is the only place where I can go on about how I hate life without being banned or told to "get professional help".

Ive noticed that people here actually care and try to help and doesnt play the "therapy" card as some sort of quick way to assess someone's issues.

 

[Meteora]

People who want to shut down this site are ignorant morons, pardon my French.

 

[FireFox]

Exactly, this forum actually helps hold me together. THis is the only place where I can go on about how I hate life without being banned or told to "get professional help".

Ive noticed that people here actually care and try to help and doesnt play the "therapy" card as some sort of quick way to assess someone's issues.

@trappedinthislife Exactly people here on Sanctioned Suicide actaully listen whereas in other online communities I have had people tell me quickly to go to "therapy" and moderators ban me.

All I was looking for was human connections and comfort due to the loneliness as result of my but in other online communities all I got was people judging me, blaming me for my problems and moderators who preach about mental health wellness bully me

 

[trappedinthislife]

This. I first found out about SN on 4chan long before joining this site. There are plenty of threads on Twitter describing the scuba mask method and there are even guides to auto-erotic asphyxiation on kink websites.

People who want to blame this site for the deaths of their loved ones are always going to be wrong but knowing that probably isn't going to stop them sadly.

Yeah i also know about SN from Reddit lol.

 

[halleyscomet]

I don't think any authorities will shut down the site, but I think in the near future legal action may be taken against certain individuals on the site. I believe in some countries laws are being passed which makes it illegal to give instructions on how to ctb or sh, or to encourage it in any way.

 

[trappedinthislife]

When I was younger, I found all these methods on how kill myself and like they even had like this book on Amazon with step by step instructions it had different methods but yeah it wasn't hard to find it. When you go looking there's nothing you won't find so if they think it's going to stop anyone, they need to open their eyes and actually pay attention.

Yeah, I do know one of my friend who sent me a list of 20+ methods to CTB with instructions, as well as not recommended methods like 3 years ago. She ended up not doing it, but it just goes to say that even without SS I would still find a way. I keep the article hidden in my laptop incase I need it. The site is still up, it is completely free, no censorship, accessible to anyone who have internet access and an internet browser. The site is in my native language so I wont share it, as it also breaks the forum's rules.

 

[FireFox]

Yeah i also know about SN from Reddit lol.

@trappedinthislife Redidit you can find information on suicide methods in the subs you least suspect it. I found a thread on reddit where people were giving detailed information on suicide methods and its not a major well known sub. The sub is a community where people share how sad they are about things.

The hypocrisy is astounding. I don't see the suicide prevention lobby demanding Reddit be shut down completely. Reddit is a major corporation whereas Sanctioned Suicide is not it easier to harass and hound a website like SS rather than a big corporation that is lawyerd up and has friends in high places.

Yeah, I do know one of my friend who sent me a list of 20+ methods to CTB with instructions, as well as not recommended methods like 3 years ago. She ended up not doing it, but it just goes to say that even without SS I would still find a way. I keep the article hidden in my laptop incase I need it. The site is still up, it is completely free, no censorship, accessible to anyone who have internet access and an internet browser. The site is in my native language so I wont share it, as it also breaks the forum's rules.

@trappedinthislife It goes to my earlier point the Internet is an enormous marketplace of information on suicide methods. If people want to shut down Sanctioned Suicide then they might as well shut down the whole Internet and be like China where the government controls the entire Internet.

Google is banned in China. People who vist China and want to use the Internet have to download an app that gives them Internet. This is so the government sees exactly what you are doing.

People who want to shut down this site are ignorant morons, pardon my French.

@Meteora I have actually encountered people who want this site shut down. In my experience these people are just narcissistic self-righteous arseholes who look down mentally ill people to make themselves feel better about their own pathetic lives.

I used to belong a reddit discord group called no surf which promotes digtal detoxing, supporting people who want to spend less time on online and it promoted mental wellness generally. People in the digtal detox community talked about how Sanactioned Suicide must be shut down and even believed that the web creators be jailed for creating the site. People in the community regularly shared their own experiences of life problems too.

The same people in the community group who preached about how evil Sanctioned-Suicide is where the ones who bullied and judged me when I opened up about mental struggles, Internet addiction and sadness of always being unsuccessful with men while others are getting married. The hypocrisy is astounding.

One woman let's call her A - She said I need to "put myself out there". I already explained I have the natural confidence to talk to people but all my life guys ignored me and dont want to know me. She responded saying "use dating apps". I explained I don't feel comfortable using dating apps because me being a black woman growing up my whole life I have experienced never being seen as pretty while racial groups got desired even men of my own race harassed me and abused me while they were always nicer to the white women and girls. I read dating apps have a very low succes rate for black women I don't want to go through a competition I won't win. She is a white woman, she doesn't get how hard it is for black women to find love due to society and men attracted to eurocentric standards of beauty.

She proceeds to criticise me for my poor "attitude" and how its my fault I am single. She went on about her experiences of not being attractive and having a facial swelling deformity and how she met her husband on a dating app. Not everyone is lucky as she is

● Another woman let's call her B- she talked about her experiences of male rejection and how she "never let it get to her". She says she has husband now and how" I need to put myself out there". This same woman went on about London having free therapy and how I am not trying. I live in London and these free therapies and low cost options have restrictions. NOT ALL of London is the same every area is different. Some areas have more mental health care options than others.

I have had issues navatigating healthcare in this country I am not going through it again.

● Another user let's call him C- He said how I need to go gym, "put myself out there" and wear make up. I don't need gym I slim build already and I am very feminine in how I dress.

Everyone blamed me for the reason why I am single and how everything is my fault in life. Woman A said "there is a reason why you struggle to make friends". These arseholes think they are superior in virtual signalling about this site being evil and demanding its shut down.

 

[Fantasy22]

People will always find a way, and I thinkthis site helps people, it lets them be heard and seen. They dont feel like they are crazy; there's others like them. They aren't told to change. They are given a sort of support system, and shown methods of how to ctb if they choose to. The resources provided here are just to allow someone to ctb safely (as safe as it can be) so as to minimize pain, discomfort, and possible suffering (for this who want to go peacefully which I think is the majority). Of course those who don't care for comfort then are other methods for them as well, people will always find a way to get what then want in the end if they're determined so if the site gets shut down they'll find another one or make another one. I think this one is good bc it provides both support and information and never (officially) actively encourages someone to ctb but doesnt discourage them either. It's like it's their own choice

 

[Forever Sleep]

Ironically, one of the first web pages I visited about SN was a police report on a man who had obtained a 'suicide kit' off of the dark net. They even had pictures of the kit including the antiemetics. Like- thanks guys. Seriously though? If the police don't even think that through... They were less careful than we are!

 

[FireFox]

Ironically, one of the first web pages I visited about SN was a police report on a man who had obtained a 'suicide kit' off of the dark net. They even had pictures of the kit including the antiemetics. Like- thanks guys. Seriously though? If the police don't even think that through... They were less careful than we are!

@Forever Sleep I discovered Sanctioned-Suicide due to a BBC media documentary about sucide of the Callie Lewis who used the forum and an article from the New York Times about Shawn Shatto.

If the media never talked about this website so much I wouldn't be here to talking to you right.

 

[Forever Sleep]

@Forever Sleep I discovered Sanctioned-Suicide due to a BBC media documentary about sucide of the Callie Lewis who used the forum and an article from the New York Times about Shawn Shatto.

If the media never talked about this website so much I wouldn't be here to talking to you right.

Absolutely. I found out about this website via The New York Times article. Not that I'm unhappy. I'm grateful to them but they're pretty stupid if they don't realise it will point a lot more desperate people in the direction of method information!

It never actually occured to me that there would be such a place on the internet where you could openly discuss suicide. I suppose I had come across 'Lost all Hope' at one stage but I'd kind of forgotten about it.

 

[untothedepths]

As others have mentioned, its not like any of us will go away. If someone is desperate enough, they may find a way. Before I learned about Sasu I was already thinking about CTB. I think, aside from those who have lost loved ones which I do feel for on some level, most people don't like sites like this because its morally outraging. Suicide and discussing it is such a taboo if it isn't anything other than "save the person at all costs".

This place allows others to vent too about things that might get them banned for "content warnings" on other sites. People can talk about their abuse, how they struggle with suicidal thoughts, and be around a community that is willing to listen and understand them.

I don't know. I think too many people suffer in a pro-suffering world, but some of us decide we have had enough. I personally just want to leave this world for a multitude of reasons and I do not apply my ideology to others. I see it as my own choice, my one act of freedom. I hate how I try to never judge people I really don't know but everyone really love judging others without even bothering to talk to any of us. It's a type of ignorance in which a person would have to be brought down to our levels of suffering to finally understand what it is like. I never want that for others because what I go through, and what other people go through here, is absolute hell.

 

[trappedinthislife]

People will always find a way, and I thinkthis site helps people, it lets them be heard and seen. They dont feel like they are crazy; there's others like them. They aren't told to change. They are given a sort of support system, and shown methods of how to ctb if they choose to. The resources provided here are just to allow someone to ctb safely (as safe as it can be) so as to minimize pain, discomfort, and possible suffering (for this who want to go peacefully which I think is the majority). Of course those who don't care for comfort then are other methods for them as well, people will always find a way to get what then want in the end if they're determined so if the site gets shut down they'll find another one or make another one. I think this one is good bc it provides both support and information and never (officially) actively encourages someone to ctb but doesnt discourage them either. It's like it's their own choice

People accuse this site of being pro-CTB but I see it more as CTB-neutral. The site doesnt look down on individuals who chose to do it, they don't encourage nor discourage the act.

 

[ThisGameIsOverrated]

really all taking this site down achieves is making suicidal people feel worse, this site is genuinely the best thing for a suicidal person regardless of whether you want to vent, successfully CTB or recover

 

[the_last_race]

You asumming it's about achieving anything when it's not. It's about punishing a scapegoat to show public that they (governments) do give a fuck the people.

 

[trappedinthislife]

You asumming it's about achieving anything when it's not. It's about punishing a scapegoat to show public that they (governments) do give a fuck the people.

Yeah the gov does this so often and its annoying af. Its like the whole thing with video games and mass shootings in the U.S. Oh a shooting happened? Lets blame some yee yee video games for it so we can pretend like we are concerned about the issues of shootings without having to actually spend money and effort.