Should we all get Do Not Resuscitate bracelets?

[suffering]

Just in case something happens to us. I sort of pray for an accident to kill me, as I cannot do it myself. Would be terrible to be resuscitated.

 

[Meretlein]

DNRs can be invalidated if it is determined you weren't in the right mind when making one. Its also some sort of legal process to get one and a bracelet/tattoo/ect won't suffice.

 

[Its911]

DNRs can be invalidated if it is determined you weren't in the right mind when making one. Its also some sort of legal process to get one and a bracelet/tattoo/ect won't suffice.

Even tho this is all true, go ahead and get the bracelet because the time first responders spend debating the legality of the situation will maybe be long enough to carry you over. Also in your emergency contact info on the phone put your info and also type in DNR thats what i did. Hope you find peace wherever that may be.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Even tho this is all true, go ahead and get the bracelet because the time first responders spend debating the legality of the situation will maybe be long enough to carry you over. Also in your emergency contact info on the phone put your info and also type in DNR thats what i did. Hope you find peace wherever that may be.

They'll save you while debating the legality. Much better for them to deal with consequences of keeping somebody alive when they weren't supposed to, compared to consequences of letting somebody die. Morally and legally. Having a bracelet won't hurt in any way though so why not get one.

 

[Meretlein]

Even tho this is all true, go ahead and get the bracelet because the time first responders spend debating the legality of the situation will maybe be long enough to carry you over. Also in your emergency contact info on the phone put your info and also type in DNR thats what i did. Hope you find peace wherever that may be.

Thats a really good idea. Thanks.

 

[Its911]

They'll save you while debating the legality. Much better for them to deal with consequences of keeping somebody alive when they weren't supposed to, compared to consequences of letting somebody die. Morally and legally. Having a bracelet won't hurt in any way though so why not get one.

Actually most hospital policys DONT allow intervention by first responders if the victim is wearing a DNR, because the lawsuits are in the MILLIONS they can argue that you died because you where wearing one, but they cant leagaly argue that they saved you even tho you had a DNR.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Actually most hospital policys DONT allow intervention by first responders if the victim is wearing a DNR, because the lawsuits are in the MILLIONS they can argue that you died because you where wearing one, but they cant leagaly argue that they saved you even tho you had a DNR.

It's different when somebody is mentally ill. Reddit has had discussions about this on /r/medicine and /r/legaladvice. Same rationale as involuntary commitment.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Actually most hospital policys DONT allow intervention by first responders if the victim is wearing a DNR, because the lawsuits are in the MILLIONS they can argue that you died because you where wearing one, but they cant leagaly argue that they saved you even tho you had a DNR.

Also a bracelet saying "DNR" isn't the same as having full DNR paperwork. It's not a complicated process but there are legal steps. And for tattoos and bracelets specifically, there have actually been lawsuits verifying that those are not sufficient to NR.

 

[Its911]

Also a bracelet saying "DNR" isn't the same as having full DNR paperwork. It's not a complicated process but there are legal steps. And for tattoos and bracelets specifically, there have actually been lawsuits verifying that those are not sufficient to NR.

Yea but whos going to be carrying around paperwork? Besides getting a DNR bracelet is simple, anyone in any physical condition can get one for about 50-80 dollars at a local hospital.

 

[Its911]

It's different when somebody is mentally ill. Reddit has had discussions about this on /r/medicine and /r/legaladvice. Same rationale as involuntary commitment.

Yea but this also depends on the type of illness if you can prove you are sound minded at the time they a legally obligated to give you a DNR.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Yea but whos going to be carrying around paperwork? Besides getting a DNR bracelet is simple, anyone in any physical condition can get one for about 50-80 dollars at a local hospital.

Old people and terminally ill people, actually. They're advised to tape it to their fridge and bedroom door for first responders to find. The bracelet is not legally worth anything. The DNR laws can also vary by state and even hospital policy. This is something it's important to talk to a lawyer about or at least read about on your state government website or lawyer's blog (not a forum). It's very normal for young healthy and non-suicidal people to get a DNR or advanced directive, it's actually something that everyone should have, but especially if they have dependents.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Yea but this also depends on the type of illness if you can prove you are sound minded at the time they a legally obligated to give you a DNR.

I looked into this a lot and wasn't happy with what I found. Lots of lawsuits won by hospitals for saving suicidal people with DNR, and some lawsuits lost by hospitals for following DNR in suicidal people then sued by the family. Even in non-suicidal people, DNR is not always followed and there's plenty of excuses. I have a DNR and advanced directive that have been reviewed by a lawyer just in case, but I'm not hopeful that they'll be honored if anything happens.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Yea but whos going to be carrying around paperwork? Besides getting a DNR bracelet is simple, anyone in any physical condition can get one for about 50-80 dollars at a local hospital.

The reason they can't honor a bracelet is that anyone can put a bracelet on anyone else. That would open the door to a murderer suffocating somebody but failing then putting a bracelet on to avoid the victim being alive to testify who tried to kill them. The legal paperwork is important to have. There are some bracelets and necklaces that will fit a folded up document, designed for this specific purpose.

 

[cornflowerblue]

DNRs can be invalidated if it is determined you weren't in the right mind when making one. Its also some sort of legal process to get one and a bracelet/tattoo/ect won't suffice.

The legal process can be done somewhat inexpensively, and most state government websites also have a process for you to do it yourself for a small fee. There are detailed resources explaining this if you look at sites designed for old people or those with cancer. DNR also won't help in a lot of medical situations. Advanced directive covers a lot more and is similarly easy to set up legally.

But for the first part of your post, it's true that it can all be invalidated if they suspect a suicide attempt. Still worth having regardless just in case of a regular accident or illness. You never know.

 

[Its911]

Old people and terminally ill people, actually. They're advised to tape it to their fridge and bedroom door for first responders to find. The bracelet is not legally worth anything. The DNR laws can also vary by state and even hospital policy. This is something it's important to talk to a lawyer about or at least read about on your state government website or lawyer's blog (not a forum). It's very normal for young healthy and non-suicidal people to get a DNR or advanced directive, it's actually something that everyone should have, but especially if they have dependents.

I know what you mean and your right but we are discussing two diffrent points of view, the author of the post stated a Accident mostlikely he or she is capable of being about, and an official plastic DNR bracelet is legally binding, it states your name, dob, blood type, organ doner pref, hospital in which it was given to you and a serial number pertaining your legal and medical info, some hospitals even have scanable bracelets. But they are only given out wheb you finish all the criterias needed to obtain it. Its very similar to the medical bracelet your giving on long term admittance.

 

[Its911]

The reason they can't honor a bracelet is that anyone can put a bracelet on anyone else. That would open the door to a murderer suffocating somebody but failing then putting a bracelet on to avoid the victim being alive to testify who tried to kill them. The legal paperwork is important to have. There are some bracelets and necklaces that will fit a folded up document, designed for this specific purpose.

Lol i understand you perfectly but i never meant to just make a bracelet at home thats just silly.

 

[cornflowerblue]

I know what you mean and your right but we are discussing two diffrent points of view, the author of the post stated a Accident mostlikely he or she is capable of being about, and an official plastic DNR bracelet is legally binding, it states your name, dob, blood type, organ doner pref, hospital in which it was given to you and a serial number pertaining your legal and medical info, some hospitals even have scanable bracelets. But they are only given out wheb you finish all the criterias needed to obtain it. Its very similar to the medical bracelet your giving on long term admittance.

Oh wow I can't read! Yes, you're totally right for an accident it would be fine. My comments were all assuming it was a failed suicide attempt. And you're also right about the official bracelet. You can't get that kind without doing the legal paperwork. I thought people were talking about the kind of medical bracelets you order online and engrave with whatever you want.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Lol i understand you perfectly but i never meant to just make a bracelet at home thats just silly.

You can order a "medical alert bracelet" online engraved with literally anything. Hell, you could put "no doctors from NYU Class of 2007" on the bracelet if you order online.

 

[Its911]

Oh wow I can't read! Yes, you're totally right for an accident it would be fine. My comments were all assuming it was a failed suicide attempt. And you're also right about the official bracelet. You can't get that kind without doing the legal paperwork. I thought people were talking about the kind of medical bracelets you order online and engrave with whatever you want.

Yea i noticed half way through the conversation we where arguing the same point of view but from different aspects lol...

but yes to the author if you have the time and the legal mental capacity to obtain one from your local hospital please do as if this is your wish your going to regret not having one the day you needed.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Yea i noticed half way through the conversation we where arguing the same point of view but from different aspects lol...

but yes to the author if you have the time and the legal mental capacity to obtain one from your local hospital please do as if this is your wish your going to regret not having one the day you needed.

I am SO glad you noticed and pointed that out. Depression really wrecks my brain.

I don't think OP even has to go to a hospital, but again it could depend on the state. In my state, there are lots of websites and lawyers who will do your DNR for around $100 and can also send you the bracelet (for extra money of course), and it's all done online.

 

[Its911]

You can order a "medical alert bracelet" online engraved with literally anything. Hell, you could put "no doctors from NYU Class of 2007" on the bracelet if you order online.

yea i know but first responders will recognize a genuine bracelet and a fake one.

 

[Its911]

I am SO glad you noticed and pointed that out. Depression really wrecks my brain.

I don't think OP even has to go to a hospital, but again it could depend on the state. In my state, there are lots of websites and lawyers who will do your DNR for around $100 and can also send you the bracelet (for extra money of course), and it's all done online.

Its okay my depression mixed with my sociopathy can sometimes be a....."fun" cocktail.

 

[cornflowerblue]

yea i know but first responders will recognize a genuine bracelet and a fake one.

LOL you're right. Now that we're talking about the same thing, half my posts don't make sense anymore.

I wish that when people turned 18, they'd have access to a free service that helps set up a will, DNR, advanced directive, register as organ donor, etc. Accidents happen to everybody and can happen at any age.

 

[cornflowerblue]

Its okay my depression mixed with my sociopathy can sometimes be a....."fun" cocktail.

Are you diagnosed with that? I don't want to derail the thread and you're too new so I can't PM, so idk where else to ask. Maybe chat if you're online?

 

[Its911]

Are you diagnosed with that? I don't want to derail the thread and you're too new so I can't PM, so idk where else to ask. Maybe chat if you're online?

My wifi connection here is trash i cant enter the chat cuz i constantly loose connection, but yes i was diagnosed a few years ago, but ive probably been a sociopath for most of my life, some science debates its inherited through genes. But theres very little science on us, no meds for treatment, no cure, and to top it offff..... THERAPY IS CONTRAINDICATED so immm fucked 7 ways to monday.

 

[cornflowerblue]

My wifi connection here is trash i cant enter the chat cuz i constantly loose connection, but yes i was diagnosed a few years ago, but ive probably been a sociopath for most of my life, some science debates its inherited through genes. But theres very little science on us, no meds for treatment, no cure, and to top it offff..... THERAPY IS CONTRAINDICATED so immm fucked 7 ways to monday.

There is actually research on effective therapy for sociopathy, psychopathy, and ASPD. It doesn't help everyone with the diagnosis but there has been some success. And plenty of research centers in the US. Send me a PM whenever you get approved and I can reply with links.

 

[Cookiedough8956]

You know this wouldn't be a bad idea but i have this feeling that it might be ignored and they are still gonna help you.
Or at times they suspect foul play, so they might assume someone put it on you. Idk.

I had an acquaintence while ago write domt save me all over her arms and guess what? Still landed in the hospital lol but thats diff i suppose?

 

[cornflowerblue]

You know this wouldn't be a bad idea but i have this feeling that it might be ignored and they are still gonna help you.
Or at times they suspect foul play, so they might assume someone put it on you. Idk.

I had an acquaintence while ago write domt save me all over her arms and guess what? Still landed in the hospital lol but thats diff i suppose?

As somebody else pointed out, the OP was talking about if a legitimate accident happened. If it's something like a crash on the subway where all passengers are injured, I think the DNR would be honored.

 

[Cookiedough8956]

As somebody else pointed out, the OP was talking about if a legitimate accident happened. If it's something like a crash on the subway where all passengers are injured, I think the DNR would be honored.

Ohh.
Hmm, still I'd think it would be 50/50. Maybe they will honor it maybe they wont.

 

[Its911]

There is actually research on effective therapy for sociopathy, psychopathy, and ASPD. It doesn't help everyone with the diagnosis but there has been some success. And plenty of research centers in the US. Send me a PM whenever you get approved and I can reply with links.

Im no longer in the US and im what the shrink called a fully developed sociopath, means i see therapy as a game or a challenge to manipulate my therapists im incapable of taking it seriously. The first time was a woman in her mid 30's called Lucia she only lasted about a week with me because i was trying to get into her head and manipulate her into doing some other type of therapy if you know what i mean. Then i went to another guy and hes the one that verified her statement that i was too far gone to take any therapy seriously(i wasnt trying to screw the guy just saying) i was trying to befriend him so that i could be in a more advantageous position.