Discussion Should pedophiles CTB themselves?

[TheLastGreySky]

I'm sorry if this question is offensive.
But in all honesty I've always wanted to ask this from a group that actually takes suicide seriously.

Some people see as a mental illness and then some people see it as a legit sexuality,
But regardless of which one it is it's universally agreed that it's extremely harmful.

Thoughts?

 

[Little_Suzy]

Are you a pedophile? Why do you care?

 

[TheLastGreySky]

Are you a pedophile? Why do you care?

No I'm not. I was just curious because a lot of people on here have lost good friends to CTB.
I think no one should kill themselves but at the same time... I can't really say have a place in society. So I take it you are one?

 

[Kalista]

trying to understand the question.

are you asking if they should kill themselves because they're a pedo?
or do they have the right to kill themselves even when they are a pedo? because i've seen people on here say they deserve to be punished while alive due to being one.

my answer is even if they are a pedo, as i've said many times and will continue to do so -- it's the person's choice no matter what the reason is.

 

[DoubleUp8]

It's a good question to put to the anti-suicide absolutists?
Or similar questions
Call 988 and see what they think

 

[TheLastGreySky]

trying to understand the question.

are you asking if they should kill themselves because they're a pedo?
or do they have the right to kill themselves even when they are a pedo? because i've seen people on here say they deserve to be punished while alive due to being one.

my answer is even if they are a pedo, as i've said many times and will continue to do so -- it's the person's choice no matter what the reason is.

I'm asking if they should kill themselves because they are pedophiles. Society will never accept them and even if they are not harming people,
Could you really trust someone who is a pedophile? I think the way we're raised to think about them has made it where their subhuman in most people's eyes. They're literally the only people were allowed to hate nowadays.

 

[thedevilwithin]

it is NOT a sexuality. i can not stress that enough. if you are capable of hurting an innocent being like a child you deserve the most inhumane torturous death imaginable.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

It's a good question to put to the anti-suicide absolutists?
Or similar questions
Call 988 and see what they think

Oh hell yeah it is.

There's so many victims of incest who don't get to have abortions, and yet people aren't even allowed to end their own lives safely and with assistance in most of the world.
And yet we still chemically castrate pedophiles globally.
So I think it's a really good question to think about.

 

[Little_Suzy]

No I'm not. I was just curious because a lot of people on here have lost good friends to CTB.
I think no one should kill themselves but at the same time... I can't really say have a place in society. So I take it you are one?

I don't distinguish between suicide and natural death, so both are acceptable to me. You don't need a reason to commit suicide, just as natural death doesn't explain why it's finally our time to die.

No, I'm not a pedophile. I asked because if you say yes, I'll put your font on ignore.

 

[Viranamari]

Pedophilia isn't a sexuality and will never be okay. It seems more as an illness to me but then again, their doing something simply unforgiveable like murdering someone. So therefore, although I don't think anyone deserves to die, there can be a few exceptions of course and I feel like pedophiles are certainly one of the exceptions. They ruin young peoples' life just because thry feel attracted to them. I simply can't imagine how a victim must feel. I do feel like this cruel world we live in would be a better place if we had nicer people. Pedophiles are one of the the people who make the world a cruel place. They might be the reason for someone wanting to die and are the reason for the victims to have depression or kill themselves.
But then again, CTB is something the person should choose themselves. We have no rights forcing a pedophile to kill themselves as it's their decion in the end. However, I do understand people who might say that pedophiles should CTB. But for me personally, I'd say it's up to them.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

it is NOT a sexuality. i can not stress that enough. if you are capable of hurting an innocent being like a child you deserve the most inhumane torturous death imaginable.

I'm referring to as a generalization if they should kill themselves whether or not they've ever touched a child because of the risk factor alone.

I'm keeping my opinions out of it so I don't steer the conversation with my bias. But I think you know what I think.

I don't distinguish between suicide and natural death, so both are acceptable to me. You don't need a reason to commit suicide, just as natural death doesn't explain why it's finally our time to die.

No, I'm not a pedophile. I asked because if you say yes, I'll put your font on ignore.

Ah makes sense. I just don't like when I ask interesting question and someone automatically jumps to "why do I care?" Cuz it's 2:00 a.m. and I have ADHD at my brain says hey what do you think about this?! Lol

I don't distinguish between suicide and natural death, so both are acceptable to me. You don't need a reason to commit suicide, just as natural death doesn't explain why it's finally our time to die.

No, I'm not a pedophile. I asked because if you say yes, I'll put your font on ignore.

Ah makes sense. I just don't like when I ask interesting question and someone automatically jumps to "why do I care?" Cuz it's 2:00 a.m. and I have ADHD at my brain says hey what do you think about this?! Lol

 

[lovedread]

I'm sorry if this question is offensive.
But in all honesty I've always wanted to ask this from a group that actually takes suicide seriously.

Some people see as a mental illness and then some people see it as a legit sexuality,
But regardless of which one it is it's universally agreed that it's extremely harmful.

Thoughts?

I mean they might as well

 

[Forever Sleep]

I suppose I've always thought that- if someone felt an uncontrolable urge to hurt others (that they truly felt they couldn't stop,) the more noble thing would be to take themselves out. (I hope that I would kill myself before hurting another person anyhow. Not that I want to hurt others- just to clarify.)

There's a difference between thoughts and actions though. I suspect there must be a percentage of the population that has paedophillic thoughts and/or violent thoughts but- they don't act on them. Why would they need to kill themselves- if they aren't hurting anyone? Of course- that does mean no indulgence at all in these thoughts- no porn. No chatting with others of like minds to encourage one another in those thoughts- that does still hurt children. Although, I suppose group therapy to try and manage them might help. As to whether they will still want to kill themselves- perhaps. It's got to be an awful existence really. That's up to them though. There's no 'should' in that case because- they aren't affecting other people.

There has been at least one member here that was afraid of their own sadistic thoughts and killed themselves to protect others from them. They weren't paedophillic thoughts to clarify. It was actually so sad because, they had tried to get help and in my mind- been let down. Plus, quite often people suffering these sorts of things have encountered abuse and been traumatised themselves. I do actually feel sorry for someone who is tormented by awful thoughts BUT NOT IF THEY ACT ON THEM.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

Pedophilia isn't a sexuality and will never be okay. It seems more as an illness to me but then again, their doing something simply unforgiveable like murdering someone. So therefore, although I don't think anyone deserves to die, there can be a few exceptions of course and I feel like pedophiles are certainly one of the exceptions. They ruin young peoples' life just because thry feel attracted to them. I simply can't imagine how a victim must feel. I do feel like this cruel world we live in would be a better place if we had nicer people. Pedophiles are one of the the people who make the world a cruel place. They might be the reason for someone wanting to die and are the reason for the victims to have depression or kill themselves.
But then again, CTB is something the person should choose themselves. We have no rights forcing a pedophile to kill themselves as it's their decion in the end. However, I do understand people who might say that pedophiles should CTB. But for me personally, I'd say it's up to them.

I get what you're saying. I see the risk factor, and I feel like even if I knew someone my whole life and they were open with me about being a pedophile...
I could never in a million years trust them around any child. So with that being said, I think as much as I am someone who believes in not judging someone without a trial... I think the attraction alone warrants death because of the risk factor.

I kind of felt messed up for a moment thinking like that, but I also don't want to make this something that is meant to be about my opinion.

 

[goodoldnoname923]

I'm sorry if this question is offensive.
But in all honesty I've always wanted to ask this from a group that actually takes suicide seriously.

Some people see as a mental illness and then some people see it as a legit sexuality,
But regardless of which one it is it's universally agreed that it's extremely harmful.

Thoughts?

Idk why paedophilia isn't treated as a serious mental illness,are all pedos truly evil? Rape of any kind is an evil act but what child can really consent (without grooming of course) it literally is an intense attraction to children which is far from normal and won't they be people out there that want to be rebliated but can't because their ashamed to speak out

"I love children" right imma call the cops rn like even if people want to get better they can't because they can't speak out about it although i suppose this is in the context of they can't be helped even with psychological help so idk

 

[DoubleUp8]

Not enough people are allowed to end their lives with assistance and just a few states and the only approved method is a barbiturates cocktail that has an approximate 10 percent failure rate. Why not a megadose of fentanyl? Wouldn't that be more effective and less harmful when it doesn't work?

 

[TheLastGreySky]

I suppose I've always thought that- if someone felt an uncontrolable urge to hurt others (that they truly felt they couldn't stop,) the more noble thing would be to take themselves out. (I hope that I would kill myself before hurting another person anyhow. Not that I want to hurt others- just to clarify.)

There's a difference between thoughts and actions though. I suspect there must be a percentage of the population that has paedophillic thoughts and/or violent thoughts but- they don't act on them. Why would they need to kill themselves- if they aren't hurting anyone? Of course- that does mean no indulgence at all in these thoughts- no porn. No chatting with others of like minds to encourage one another in those thoughts- that does still hurt children. Although, I suppose group therapy to try and manage them might help. As to whether they will still want to kill themselves- perhaps. It's got to be an awful existence really. That's up to them though. There's no 'should' in that case because- they aren't affecting other people.

There has been at least one member here that was afraid of their own sadistic thoughts and killed themselves to protect others from them. They weren't paedophillic thoughts to clarify. It was actually so sad because, they had tried to get help and in my mind- been let down. Plus, quite often people suffering these sorts of things have encountered abuse and been traumatised themselves. I do actually feel sorry for someone who is tormented by awful thoughts BUT NOT IF THEY ACT ON THEM.

I agree with what you said about the population only because if we go back to the 90s with Britney Spears and "oops I Did It again." We can clearly see that she was marketed as jailbait. So surely there was an audience for that, I was too young to have an adult perspective on the matter then but...
While thought doesn't necessarily mean action...
I think the risk factor of someone being attracted to minors is something that can't be lightly excused.

It takes one person with sick thoughts to slip up and not only scar someone for life... But potentially lead the person they scarred to hurt others in the same fashion and thus create so much pain and suffering in the world.

Honestly my opinion is this...
While I don't think they should CTB,
We're not exactly going to be rounding them up and putting them in camps anytime soon sooo...
Maybe it's the better of two evils?
I can't really even call it evil to want to protect children though.

 

[DoubleUp8]

I was raised catholic in a certain era and can't believe and so ashamed at my church for how widespread and was really a culture of pedophilia. And I am supposed to confess my sins to a priest whose sins would dwarf anything i ever thought of doing

 

[TheLastGreySky]

Idk why paedophilia isn't treated as a serious mental illness,are all pedos truly evil? Rape of any kind is an evil act but what child can really consent (without grooming of course) it literally is an intense attraction to children which is far from normal and won't they be people out there that want to be rebliated but can't because their ashamed to speak out

"I love children" right imma call the cops rn like even if people want to get better they can't because they can't speak out about it although i suppose this is in the context of they can't be helped even with psychological help so idk

As I said regardless of if they're just pedophiles in thoughts alone...
Can we name one historic pedophile we could keep alive and actually be willing to risk the safety of children by letting them walk around free?

Wouldn't that be a grave injustice to the innocent?
"Oh don't worry this one's different".
Until he or she isn't.

 

[DoubleUp8]

Does everyone really buy in to the uncontrollable urge? Doesn't that excuse them of responsibility to a degree? Can't help themselves? Idk.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

Not enough people are allowed to end their lives with assistance and just a few states and the only approved method is a barbiturates cocktail that has an approximate 10 percent failure rate. Why not a megadose of fentanyl? Wouldn't that be more effective and less harmful when it doesn't work?

That's a really good question, but it comes down to the government wants to hide the fact they're the ones supplying the fentanyl to begin with.
Like AIDS and crack and the opiate crisis, they like to be real Sly about population control.

 

[goodoldnoname923]

As I said regardless of if they're just pedophiles in thoughts alone...
Can we name one historic pedophile we could keep alive and actually be willing to risk the safety of children by letting them walk around free?

Wouldn't that be a grave injustice to the innocent?
"Oh don't worry this one's different".
Until he or she isn't.

Well that's were the help comes in to correct that again idk if it's possible but they hasn't exactly been any studies on pedophila no?

 

[DoubleUp8]

If I ever thought of having sex with a child I hope i would off myself.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

I was raised catholic in a certain era and can't believe and so ashamed at my church for how widespread and was really a culture of pedophilia. And I am supposed to confess my sins to a priest whose sins would dwarf anything i ever thought of doing

Honestly, I will never understand how that wasn't a bigger deal that's like so much worse than sodomy and I have no problem with people being homosexuals but I'm saying in the context when you were raised to believe that that is an inexcusable sin.

Where do they get off saying that touching a child of your gender is somehow less offensive to their God than a grown man who at least consents?!

Does everyone really buy in to the uncontrollable urge? Doesn't that excuse them of responsibility to a degree? Can't help themselves? Idk.

Uncontrollable or not... It's the risk factor.
If someone couldn't control their impulse to stab someone we would lock them up.

 

[DoubleUp8]

That's a really good question, but it comes down to the government wants to hide the fact they're the ones supplying the fentanyl to begin with.
Like AIDS and crack and the opiate crisis, they like to be real Sly about population control.

When i said those things u just said at a hospital, they said i was paranoid and started the 72 hour hold process on me. Paranoid? Some of these things have been confirmed

 

[Saturn_]

From personal observation, there are VERY few people who believe it to be a valid sexuality, and most of those people are pedophiles themselves. The amount of people who follow this ideology is often inflated by the media to paint the LGBT community in a bad light.

But to answer your question, I believe that in cases like this, thoughts ought to be separated from actions. If a person discovers that they are a pedophile, then they absolutely must take the initiative to seek professional help, so that they are kept in check and minimize any possible threat to children. Pedophilia seems to be a very complex disorder, and while some are born, others may unfortunately develop those urges from severe child abuse. I believe that everyone deserves a chance to improve themselves and take preventative measure so that they don't pose a threat to others. If a pedophile grows complacent with their illness and gives into their urges in any way, then I absolutely believe they should be given the death penalty. I completely agree with this little tidbit of yours:

If someone couldn't control their impulse to stab someone we would lock them up.

We need to believe child victims and give them hope for a better future by eliminating any potential re-traumatization from their lives. There are explanations for why these people exist, but there are zero excuses.

 

[TheLastGreySky]

Well that's were the help comes in to correct that again idk if it's possible but they hasn't exactly been any studies on pedophila no?

I remember reading an article about the World health organization however it seemed to support pedophilia. But of course unless I find the article it would be pretty discreditable to really talk about it.

I don't believe that bunch of pedophiles run Hollywood but they certainly run part of the world.

When i said those things u just said at a hospital, they said i was paranoid and started the 72 hour hold process on me. Paranoid? Some of these things have been confirmed

They mistook your social anxiety over the sheer asinine situation of the world as paranoia.

And then they probably charged you a bill.

Got to love America.

 

[DoubleUp8]

But I'm glad u didn't say opioid epidemic. But their is no opiate crisis either. Unless you're referring to the fact that they make em harder and harder to get and that's what causes all the harm. People rarely die or irreparably harmed by opiates. It's when people can't get em legally they end up dying from fentanyl which is NOT an opiate.

I remember reading an article about the World health organization however it seemed to support pedophilia. But of course unless I find the article it would be pretty discreditable to really talk about it.

I don't believe that bunch of pedophiles run Hollywood but they certainly run part of the world.

They mistook your social anxiety over the sheer asinine situation of the world as paranoia.

And then they probably charged you a bill.

Got to love America.

They called me about the bill and I love it when they do that cuz I can really go off on em telling em they can stick the fraudulent bill up their ass among other things

 

[TheLastGreySky]

From personal observation, there are VERY few people who believe it to be a valid sexuality, and most of those people are pedophiles themselves. The amount of people who follow this ideology is often inflated by the media to paint the LGBT community in a bad light.

But to answer your question, I believe that in cases like this, thoughts ought to be separated from actions. If a person discovers that they are a pedophile, then they absolutely must take the initiative to seek professional help, so that they are kept in check and minimize any possible threat to children. Pedophilia seems to be a very complex disorder, and while some are born, others may unfortunately develop those urges from severe child abuse. I believe that everyone deserves a chance to improve themselves and take preventative measure so that they don't pose a threat to others. If a pedophile grows complacent with their illness and gives into their urges in any way, then I absolutely believe they should be given the death penalty. I completely agree with this little tidbit of yours:

We need to believe child victims and give them hope for a better future by eliminating any potential re-traumatization from their lives. There are explanations for why these people exist, but there are zero excuses.

The way I see it is this, and this is just how I understand it and why I think they're a threat that we can't compromise with.

We become desensitized in steps.

Step 1 : it's okay to have thoughts as long as you get help and don't take actions.
Step 2 : it's okay that you can't control your actions
Step 3 : it's natural and there's no studies on it.
Step 4 : they have rights and the right to be happy.
Step 5 : if you don't tolerate them you'll lose your job and be ostracized from society.

^ and this is a scary reality. The only way to avoid the eventual outcome of "zero tolerance for intolerance" is with "zero tolerance for tolerance".

And I hope anyone who reads this and thinks I'm a piece of crap understands that I'm in no way supporting the persecution of any human being unless it is completely necessary.
But I would be lying if I didn't say I believe it is completely necessary.

But the post is just to see the general consensus of other people.

 

[DoubleUp8]

It was totally fraudulent and they knew it. I'm in new Jersey now and seems here they can trigger the psych hold really easily. They really abuse the whole process here and they know they're committing fraud but I guess they do it cuz they make money and can get away with it. I need to find a lawyer to sue them and slow em down a little. They really are outa control here.