Should death be a right?

[joegoes100]

You always hear about how everyone has the right to live, but what about the right to die? Should humans have a right to be able to die whenever they want?

 

[soul2realm]

We should. I mean we have conjured up rights whom to kill or who is right and wrong, why not the right to exit at one's desire. The society itself is hypocritical.

 

[FadingSnowFake]

Yes. Who has the right anyways to decide? Should be up to us.

 

[darksouls]

yes, every person should have the right to decide for themselves

 

[LeGentilePhantome]

It is and it should always be ultimate right

 

[Arvayn]

Yes, people should be able to choose, but there should be a process for it. The overwhelming majority of people who recover from suicidality say that they're glad they didn't go through with it when they wanted to.
Impulsive deaths, and deaths desired upon because of potentially temporary or escapable circumstances, should be filtered out, because there is no undoing such a loss. Humans are very bad at truly comprehending the scale of their future and the opportunities or changes that might show up.

I'm sure I'll be crucified for saying that there's nuance to it and we shouldn't allow ANYONE to up and die, but whatever...

 

[itsgone2]

Yes, people should be able to choose, but there should be a process for it. The overwhelming majority of people who recover from suicidality say that they're glad they didn't go through with it when they wanted to.
Impulsive deaths, and deaths desired upon because of potentially temporary or escapable circumstances, should be filtered out, because there is no undoing such a loss. Humans are very bad at truly comprehending the scale of their future and the opportunities or changes that might show up.

I'm sure I'll be crucified for saying that there's nuance to it and we shouldn't allow ANYONE to up and die, but whatever...

I won't crucify you. I dislike when it happens on this site. But if there are limits allowed they'll be pushed to an extreme. Then it would no longer be a real option.

It doesn't matter as full access will never be allowed anyway. Unfortunately.

As far as people who survived an attempt and were grateful, I'm one. Years ago. But turns out I was wrong. I'm back in this state; maybe you never leave it. Many people would have been better off if I had initially succeeded.

 

[sla_porra22]

I think nobody had the option to choose to be born, but we should be able to choose when and how we die. And I think it's absurd that there aren't more humane and legal ways to do it. So I think so. In fact, I wish this were viewed less negatively in general. People always talk about the selfishness of those who commit suicide, but they never think about the selfishness of keeping a person alive in suffering

So yes

 

[joegoes100]

I think nobody had the option to choose to be born, but we should be able to choose when and how we die. And I think it's absurd that there aren't more humane and legal ways to do it. So I think so. In fact, I wish this were viewed less negatively in general. People always talk about the selfishness of those who commit suicide, but they never think about the selfishness of keeping a person alive in suffering

So yes

I agree with this. Death isn't technically a good thing, but it's overly frowned upon. It's viewed as such a negative thing when it doesn't need to be, it's the only thing in life that we are truly promised, so why shouldn't we be able to create our own terms for it. We should be able to decide when we are satisfied with our lives. It's not a matter of wanting to die, but rather not wanting to live or proceed with life.

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Yes, the right to no longer exist. Which doesn't have to interfere with anyone else's right to continue existing. But we live in a world/society that wants to control us and tell us what we should and shouldn't value.

 

[joegoes100]

Yes, people should be able to choose, but there should be a process for it. The overwhelming majority of people who recover from suicidality say that they're glad they didn't go through with it when they wanted to.
Impulsive deaths, and deaths desired upon because of potentially temporary or escapable circumstances, should be filtered out, because there is no undoing such a loss. Humans are very bad at truly comprehending the scale of their future and the opportunities or changes that might show up.

I'm sure I'll be crucified for saying that there's nuance to it and we shouldn't allow ANYONE to up and die, but whatever...

Very good view. A good portion of suicides are done on a whim, and easier suicide/death could worsen that number.
However those that have thoroughly thought it through and those that can't have their situation bettered should have a different option, they shouldn't have to go through the same system that everyone else does, because they aren't making that whim that others have had. and a system that doesn't exploit or ruin people's chances would be very difficult.

I'm not arguing, rather expanding, because I mostly agree with your opinion

 

[Lucid7972]

The overwhelming majority of people who recover from suicidality say that they're glad they didn't go through with it when they wanted to.

sounds too much like survivorship bias, perhaps these survivors don't want to die that much, and the ones that died... well you can't assume that they also want to survive
I think the filtering criteria will make (assisted) suicide very unaccessible, you can tell from the standard and cost of Swiss assisted suicide. The harm of Impulsive deaths should be weighed against that of compulsive aliveness.
the right to die is unfairly suppressed because of human beings animal instinct, while I don't see any (good) philosophical justification.
The burden of proof shouldn't always unfairly be on the suicidal people's side, at the same time people don't need any reason or justification to reproduce and live, they must explain why life is worth living and get suicidal people's approval too?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I believe so. I don't agree with some kind of court process. Why should someone else get to choose over my or our bodily autonomy? Including doctors- sorry- you aren't suffering enough. Come back when the pain is unbearable. F*ck off!

I do however think there should be a consultation- where it's established that the person has in fact thoroughly thought it through. Considered all their alternative options to try to live but- decided they won't be adequate. That would also reduce impulsive attempts. I also think a waiting time of six months is reasonable- unless the person is in chronic and likely incurable pain.

I also think families should be notified and preferably, support the decision. We can't expect society to accept our right to die until suicide becomes something we openly talk about.

 

[itsgone2]

I believe so. I don't agree with some kind of court process. Why should someone else get to choose over my or our bodily autonomy? Including doctors- sorry- you aren't suffering enough. Come back when the pain is unbearable. F*ck off!

I do however think there should be a consultation- where it's established that the person has in fact thoroughly thought it through. Considered all their alternative options to try to live but- decided they won't be adequate. That would also reduce impulsive attempts. I also think a waiting time of six months is reasonable- unless the person is in chronic and likely incurable pain.

I also think families should be notified and preferably, support the decision. We can't expect society to accept our right to die until suicide becomes something we openly talk about.

I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but if there's a review process, someone has to administer that. Which, we're back to someone else deciding if we did enough. It's still a judge.

As mentioned it doesn't really matter because this won't happen. We are still stuck with finding methods that will likely be painful and possibly not work.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but if there's a review process, someone has to administer that. Which, we're back to someone else deciding if we did enough. It's still a judge.

As mentioned it doesn't really matter because this won't happen. We are still stuck with finding methods that will likely be painful and possibly not work.

I suppose the way I would see it is, it would be an advice service as much as a review process. So- people would be offered help. Not forced to take it. And their admission wouldn't be dependent on them accepting treatment. That's my vision.

But- some people may not have considered all the options. They may be entitled to benefits or support they don't even know about. I would still see it as their right to turn it down though. Kind of like our medical right to turn down treatment. A doctor would still go through what was available though.

I think there would have to be some gatekeeping though. To avoid impulsive attempts. Those intoxicated or psychotic. Even those who may be being coerced or pressured. You can't really expect someone untrained to really know whether someone is in their right mind if it's just a case of a transaction type thing- walk in some place, presumably pay your fee and get escourted to a Sarco Pod straight away. I think some members here would like to see nembutal in vending machines. I tend to not be quite as pro-mortalist as that.

I do absolutely believe in choice though. So long as we had the choice to turn offers of treatment and support down- if we were sure suicide was our favoured option. I think there would need to be a balance between exploring 'recovery' options with people. Providing them with support- should they choose that route but then- respecting their decision if they choose not to.

 

[FuneralCry]

The fact that it isn't already is such terrible, horrific extreme cruelty to me, it's just so evil how we exist in this anti-suicide world where humans want to do all they can to make it so others are tortured for as much and as long as possible in this existence I just always saw as such a terrible mistake.

All that anti-suicide does is just cause so much harm, suffering and torture, there's just so much evil in anti-suicide, to me denying the option to cease existing painlessly is the most unacceptable crime that only ever causes existing beings to suffer way more in this existence where there is no limit as to how much one can be tortured. It's just so terrible to me how the suffering and torture of existing is seen as to force and prolong no matter what even know this existence was so tragically imposed, existence to me just feels like such a terrible mistake that just causes all this dreadful unnecessary suffering, to me it truly is the most cruel punishment to exist, it's horrific to me how humans choose to cause all this pain and torture by imposing this existence.

 

[itsgone2]

. I think some members here would like to see nembutal in vending machines. I tend to not be quite as pro-mortalist as that.

I respect what you're saying. I get it, you don't want impulsive decisions. Obviously that's coming from a good place.
Im just fully on the other side. Full body autonomy. Yep, make Nembutal freely available. I'd be gone, instead I'm suffering. It's torture and I want it to stop.
But it doesn't matter. Even the options we do have are constantly under attack

 

[Forever Sleep]

I respect what you're saying. I get it, you don't want impulsive decisions. Obviously that's coming from a good place.
Im just fully on the other side. Full body autonomy. Yep, make Nembutal freely available. I'd be gone, instead I'm suffering. It's torture and I want it to stop.
But it doesn't matter. Even the options we do have are constantly under attack

It's not really just impulsive decisions though. I'd say the majority of people here began experiencing suicidal thoughts in childhood. The first 10 year old to get hold of that Nembutal would have parents up in arms. I imagine it would be very difficult to control when it's freely available. Also- I imagine coercing rich elderly relatives would be easier with no checks.

I'm not saying even the majority of suicidal people are mentally unsound but- some will be.

 

[somethingisntreal]

If people are free to reproduce and make new life without a second thought without their offspring's consent, why must society crucify anyone who demands this same freedom for death? Although I do think there should be mandatory psychiatric evaluation for people trying for euthanasia, to avoid impulsive suicides and the meaningless grief associated with them.