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Some countries, and states within countries have now legalised assisted suicided.
I think it should be legalised in every country but that won't happen.
I think it should be legalised in every country but that won't happen.
hikikomorizombie
Ouch
- Jan 15, 2024
- 770
absolutely, for many reasons. it'll never happen though. after seeing the amount of outcry over medically assisted suicide for the terminally ill, i knew there was no hope for the populace, lmao.
If only we lived in such a society. At least its legal where I am.
donsie
She whispered and it echoed
- Jan 9, 2024
- 75
YES! An argument for it I haven't seen is organs. Why not allow our peaceful passing and should we desire, we can provide our vital organs to those that do want to live.
Nyotei
here nor there
- Dec 7, 2023
- 38
I doubt you'll find a differing opinion on this forum besides the ones already stated, haha.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 43,602
It's absolutely disgusting and unacceptable how the option of assisted suicide isn't a basic human right, it should be available at all times. It's evil to me wanting to make it so people have to struggle to permanently free from this existence they never even consented to being in. Assisted suicide needs to be legalised as existence itself is the problem, to simply exist is something so burdensome and harmful, it's tragic how humans impose existence in the first place yet expect those individuals to continue suffering no matter what. In this hellish reality where there is no limit as to how much one can suffer, I see suicide as very logical to find peace from this undesirable and futile existence where one is just waiting to die anyway.
I thought by now it would be legal where I live. It angers me it isn't.
I'm unsure if the UK will ever allow it, and maybe if they did it would likely be only approved for those with terminal illnesses.
Those that want to die from here this way have to go abroad and pay thousands.
Little_Suzy
Amphibious
- May 1, 2023
- 939
The "right to life" is a constitutional right, so how would you amend your country's Constitution?
Even if the Constitution is amended, the medical community believes that it violates doctors' Hippocratic Oath.
How would a doctor deal with being shunned by the medical community despite being legally protected from prosecution?
Even if the Constitution is amended, the medical community believes that it violates doctors' Hippocratic Oath.
How would a doctor deal with being shunned by the medical community despite being legally protected from prosecution?
Aim
🤍
- Sep 12, 2023
- 945
For terminal mentally illness, I would have to say yess. The thing with mentally illness recovery is that its hard to determined if it's terminal, since its recovery is based alot on the individuals external factors. Such as support system, stabel family etc etc.
slightoverlooked
Specialist
- Dec 27, 2023
- 301
for terminally ill patients? yes. For mentally ill patients? I'm not sure. there r so many people in dark places that get better eventually and say they r happy that their attempts weren't successful. so I'm not sure. I would tend to no. i can be impulsive and I remember I tried to kms 2 years ago for overeating in one sitting. Doesn't that sound kind of stupid? what if we allow people like that to ctb freely? they would be dead to regret it but it would kind of be questionable. i wish i would have died back then but I'm glad i didn't bc of my family. idk. it's a complicated question. i watched a doc about a patient with BPD who was allowed for assisted suicide. looking at it from a more extreme side it could be considered a basic human right. but idk. i hate saying this bc I want to die so bad but I feel like if we would fix this stupid world a little, would be a little nicer to each other and fewer humans would suffer from chronic loneliness...maybe we wouldn't be so mentally ill and desperate to die. and we wouldn't even think about legalizing assisted suicide.
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 3,473
assisted suicide was legal before they made it a crime. not just for medical people . others could assist in suicide but nobody will assist in suicide because they made it a crime. They put dr. Kevorkian in prison for assisting old terminal in pain people with suicide . That was here in the U.S. .
www.wired.com
There's more to it than people realize why they are so obsessed with restricting assisted suicide and methods like Nembutal.
It's not logical at all that assisted suicide is illegal or very restricted . for many reasons this is completely illogical.
1. they allow dogs , cats nembutal and assisted suicide and these animals have 92% the exact same genes as a human.
2. there are milions of people suffering that want a way out . 29 million per year attempt suicide.
3. The most important right a human has is to move away from pain , suffering , torture. But they took away that right by making assisted suicide a crime.
4. We all will die anyway. Why prolong someone's suffering who says they want to exit this prison called life and this evil world?
5. why do they want everyone age 90 in a nursing home suffering the tortures of old age. people say they want humans as slaves to produce but most 80 90 year olds are disabled mentally and or physically and can't produce anything but imo mainly suffer. so there are more sinister reasons they won't even allow people over 70 to have the choice to have assisted suicide.
What if someone is age 50, 60 or 70 should they be allowed just because they want to no reason given just because ? Yes they should . imo anyone over 18.
No other human knows what is going on in this brain and body I'm trapped in . Therefore no other human should have the right to dictate to me what I should or should do especially in regards to me escaping my suffering , my pain , my torture.
I should not have to justify to anyone else why I would want to purchase nembutal or a suicide kit, or assisted suicide because it's no one else's business what I do in regards to killing myself ( these monstrous 30 trillion cells i'm inprisoned in ) or not.
It's another reason why i want to suicide becuase so many people believe that they have right to control others. And so this is what we get in the world an extreme suicide prohibiition state where 99% of humans have no way to easily permanently escape pain , suffering or even extreme torture in a guranteed way. and the abomination is that there is the technology available for anyone to easily escape torture : for example nembutal , cyanide capsules, assisted suicide, fentanyl, suicide kits, more... but the only reason people can't access these is because most people are gaslighted brainwashed to focus on the supposed very rare things that could go wrong instead of on the millions of suffering people , the right to move away from suffering etc.
The Thanatron, Jack Kevorkian's Death Machine
Jack Kevorkian, the defrocked doc sent to jail after helping people kill themselves, was released today after serving 8 years of his original 10-25 year sentence for murder. One of the conditions of parole, naturally enough, is refraining from assisting suicides. “Dr. Death,” as he is called by...
There's more to it than people realize why they are so obsessed with restricting assisted suicide and methods like Nembutal.
It's not logical at all that assisted suicide is illegal or very restricted . for many reasons this is completely illogical.
1. they allow dogs , cats nembutal and assisted suicide and these animals have 92% the exact same genes as a human.
2. there are milions of people suffering that want a way out . 29 million per year attempt suicide.
3. The most important right a human has is to move away from pain , suffering , torture. But they took away that right by making assisted suicide a crime.
4. We all will die anyway. Why prolong someone's suffering who says they want to exit this prison called life and this evil world?
5. why do they want everyone age 90 in a nursing home suffering the tortures of old age. people say they want humans as slaves to produce but most 80 90 year olds are disabled mentally and or physically and can't produce anything but imo mainly suffer. so there are more sinister reasons they won't even allow people over 70 to have the choice to have assisted suicide.
What if someone is age 50, 60 or 70 should they be allowed just because they want to no reason given just because ? Yes they should . imo anyone over 18.
No other human knows what is going on in this brain and body I'm trapped in . Therefore no other human should have the right to dictate to me what I should or should do especially in regards to me escaping my suffering , my pain , my torture.
I should not have to justify to anyone else why I would want to purchase nembutal or a suicide kit, or assisted suicide because it's no one else's business what I do in regards to killing myself ( these monstrous 30 trillion cells i'm inprisoned in ) or not.
It's another reason why i want to suicide becuase so many people believe that they have right to control others. And so this is what we get in the world an extreme suicide prohibiition state where 99% of humans have no way to easily permanently escape pain , suffering or even extreme torture in a guranteed way. and the abomination is that there is the technology available for anyone to easily escape torture : for example nembutal , cyanide capsules, assisted suicide, fentanyl, suicide kits, more... but the only reason people can't access these is because most people are gaslighted brainwashed to focus on the supposed very rare things that could go wrong instead of on the millions of suffering people , the right to move away from suffering etc.
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MeaningDork
If there's a will, there's a way.
- Jan 14, 2024
- 63
I think it should be legal but I dislike the state having a monopoly over it since they rarely have people's best intentions at heart. Particularly here in Canada where people who refused MAID claimed to have been called selfish by nurses.
Most people will say 'yes' I imagine. Where there will be disagreement will be who should gain access to it.
Some here will argue it should be for everyone, even children. No questions asked. Pick up your nembutal at your local vending machine.
Personally- I think:
- Over 18's- unless there are debilitating health issues. In which case, it's a discussion between the child, parents and doctors.
- Some kind of mental competency test. Not the same as a mental illness assessment. I happen to believe some (perhaps most) people with mental illness can still make rational decisions for themselves. However- obviously, they need to demonstrate they know what death and suicide are! Hence- the competency test.
- 6 month waiting period to deter impulsive attempts- unless they are in chronic pain- obviously.
- In that waiting period, I think they should be offered help. Whatever is relevant- therapy, help with finances, referrals to medical specialists. However- I don't think they should be forced to accept this help. I don't think their assisted death should be reliant on whether they did the programme and jumped through all these hoops of fire. People who would welcome help should receive it. Those who don't shouldn't be pressured into it.
- I think the person should be encouraged to tell their families their wishes. The only way to make assisted suicide more acceptible is if more people get on board with the idea. An 18 year old sneaking off to die without their parents knowing isn't going to help there. In fact- I'd predict protests in the streets if our governments legalised the killing of a (healthy) 18 year old without their parents knowing!
- There should be support workers on hand to support both the person and the family during and after the procedure.
- People who wish to donate their organs should be able to do so.
- The difficulty lies on who funds these clinics. If they are government funded- will that start to look and maybe come to be that governments start to use them to get rid of their 'undesirable' citizens? Someone posted the other day about a Canadian homeless man using MAID but actually saying to them- he would rather live! Just not as poor and homeless I suspect. The concern (for me) is that our governments will simply further cut expensive services like drug and criminal rehibilitation, housing and benefit support because- if they make these people's lives shitty enough- it will simply push them into assisted suicide- which will likely be cheaper for them. Same goes for the elderly and sick.
- If the clinics are privately financed- they need to be overseen so that everything is being done properly. People aren't being exploited. I don't think these companies should have any links to our governments or MP's. The costs should be standardised and fair.
Some here will argue it should be for everyone, even children. No questions asked. Pick up your nembutal at your local vending machine.
Personally- I think:
- Over 18's- unless there are debilitating health issues. In which case, it's a discussion between the child, parents and doctors.
- Some kind of mental competency test. Not the same as a mental illness assessment. I happen to believe some (perhaps most) people with mental illness can still make rational decisions for themselves. However- obviously, they need to demonstrate they know what death and suicide are! Hence- the competency test.
- 6 month waiting period to deter impulsive attempts- unless they are in chronic pain- obviously.
- In that waiting period, I think they should be offered help. Whatever is relevant- therapy, help with finances, referrals to medical specialists. However- I don't think they should be forced to accept this help. I don't think their assisted death should be reliant on whether they did the programme and jumped through all these hoops of fire. People who would welcome help should receive it. Those who don't shouldn't be pressured into it.
- I think the person should be encouraged to tell their families their wishes. The only way to make assisted suicide more acceptible is if more people get on board with the idea. An 18 year old sneaking off to die without their parents knowing isn't going to help there. In fact- I'd predict protests in the streets if our governments legalised the killing of a (healthy) 18 year old without their parents knowing!
- There should be support workers on hand to support both the person and the family during and after the procedure.
- People who wish to donate their organs should be able to do so.
- The difficulty lies on who funds these clinics. If they are government funded- will that start to look and maybe come to be that governments start to use them to get rid of their 'undesirable' citizens? Someone posted the other day about a Canadian homeless man using MAID but actually saying to them- he would rather live! Just not as poor and homeless I suspect. The concern (for me) is that our governments will simply further cut expensive services like drug and criminal rehibilitation, housing and benefit support because- if they make these people's lives shitty enough- it will simply push them into assisted suicide- which will likely be cheaper for them. Same goes for the elderly and sick.
- If the clinics are privately financed- they need to be overseen so that everything is being done properly. People aren't being exploited. I don't think these companies should have any links to our governments or MP's. The costs should be standardised and fair.
notindanger
Experienced
- Oct 7, 2023
- 223
Hell yeah. I'm pretty sure that everybody on this forum agrees that it sould legal though lol
In my country maybe it would have been actually legalized, but the fucking pope came and started talking shit about euthanasia so pretty much no politician wanted to even talk about considering legalizing that, especially back then when the pope was still alive since this country was just full of christian fanatics. It still is, but thankfully there's less of them
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In my country maybe it would have been actually legalized, but the fucking pope came and started talking shit about euthanasia so pretty much no politician wanted to even talk about considering legalizing that, especially back then when the pope was still alive since this country was just full of christian fanatics. It still is, but thankfully there's less of them
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100%.
1. We are born without consent.
2. Suffering is unavoidable
3. Some people suffer enough, and gave so little hope, that they wish to die. Unless they have children that depend on them, there is no good reason to stop them from choosing to die. Other than for dependent children, dealing with death is a fact if life. Adults can handle it. But such people suffering so much should not be forced to endure decades of suffering. Its fucking wrong.
1. We are born without consent.
2. Suffering is unavoidable
3. Some people suffer enough, and gave so little hope, that they wish to die. Unless they have children that depend on them, there is no good reason to stop them from choosing to die. Other than for dependent children, dealing with death is a fact if life. Adults can handle it. But such people suffering so much should not be forced to endure decades of suffering. Its fucking wrong.
Generally no unless the person is truly terminally ill, and you'd have to define that.
Governments and societies already make it too easy to kill yourself and actively try to kill the poor, disabled and non-working adults. Many of the rich would happily kill off non-productive people, it would be a massacre.
For those fraction of us who just want to CTB through our own choices, it would be too much cost, complication and effort for societies to setup and manage.
Governments and societies already make it too easy to kill yourself and actively try to kill the poor, disabled and non-working adults. Many of the rich would happily kill off non-productive people, it would be a massacre.
For those fraction of us who just want to CTB through our own choices, it would be too much cost, complication and effort for societies to setup and manage.
BlackMoon
Peace-seeker
- Oct 30, 2023
- 190
It should be a basic human right available for anyone who want it.
Final_Choice
Mage
- Aug 3, 2023
- 542
Yes, I feel like if it was legal and added as a final option to patients more people would be open about this since it would allow patients to CTB without going through the trouble of doing it by themselves. I would even be much more open to trying other things that would help me without assisted suicide and then have that as a final option if all else fails.
throneofdispair03
is a mistake
- Jan 10, 2024
- 236
No question. That would open up A LOT more opportunities for different methods and survival instinct is out of the question with somebody else doing the job,
cryone
Experienced
- Nov 23, 2023
- 262
penguinl0v3s
Wait for Me 💙
- Nov 1, 2023
- 860
divinemistress36
Angelic
- Jan 1, 2024
- 4,712
Runa
Member
- Jan 15, 2024
- 22
Yes, but it should favor the terminally ill.
It seems that a lot of younger people feel as if death is their only option and it's sad. However, I believe that everyone should be able to choose what they want to do with their life, so suicidal people should have some kind of buffer period. Its length would depend on multiple factors.
It seems that a lot of younger people feel as if death is their only option and it's sad. However, I believe that everyone should be able to choose what they want to do with their life, so suicidal people should have some kind of buffer period. Its length would depend on multiple factors.
donsie
She whispered and it echoed
- Jan 9, 2024
- 75
I would ask you to read our constitution and how the "right to life" presents itself and what it actually means and how it entered our constitution.
I feel you are over speaking for the medical community. While you or others you know may feel this way about a Hippocratic oath. I'm certain you don't represent the entire medical community.
Doctors are allowed to not support certain practices and can oppose them. The best example I can give you is Abortion. The doctors would manage the same as abortion drs.
Back the constitution… we do not need to amend the constitution, we need to change law. The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment too. It also says I have the right to freedom. It says I have the right to liberty to.
The constitution is up for interpretation and just like roe vs wade, we need an argument.
Little_Suzy
Amphibious
- May 1, 2023
- 939
Exactly! How can one exercise their constitutional right to liberty and freedom to the fullest extent possible? What was the outcome for the others? Ask yourself this while reading the cases.
What is your argument?
A look at the complicated legal status of five issues involving the "right to die."
1) The act of ending one's own life, 2) Allowing a person to pass away naturally without medical intervention, 3) Providing assistance to someone who wishes to end their own life, 4) Taking deliberate action to bring about someone's death, and 5) Providing palliative care to alleviate suffering.
See "CRS-8" for a historical analysis of each issue and its legal standing. Look up the most recent legislation on any issue that personally interests you.
https://www.everycrsreport.com/repo...cess Clause of,care may raise policy concerns.
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_The...al_and_Statutory_Analysis,_September_19,_2005
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1568&context=pilr
donsie
She whispered and it echoed
- Jan 9, 2024
- 75
I'm definitely not going to click on your links. I also will not entertain you with argument.
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