Discussion I wish assisted dying was an option for everyone with no qualifications.

[opro111]

I think people would feel free and the world would be a better place. As someone who has chronic illness and pain, but not terminal enough to qualify for current assisted dying in my country, it really makes me feel trapped. I have suffered so much for so long, and for all I know I could live many more years just getting worse. It is pretty scary to think about for me. I hope something like The Last Resort Sarco organization in Switzerland becomes more widely available. Philip Nitschke is really doing good work in my opinion. In the meantime, I have to find my own way.

 

[Doll Steak]

It should be, if someone wants to leave this world, let them. Its only right, especially given that nothing in existence chose to be.

 

[Dejected 55]

As depressed as I am and as much as I hope to be gone in a couple of months... I don't know how to feel about this.

I do believe we should have the right to kill ourselves. I believe it should not be a crime.

But think how our society works... if it was made legal to kill yourself for any reason, not just terminal illnesses or chronic pain and such... if you or I could just walk in and buy a pill or pay for a service to be hooked up to a painless suicide booth... you know what would happen, right?

It would be a product/service and capitalism means companies would want to profit... which means they need customers... which means marketing and encouraging suicides. Big business wants you to buy their product, and since it's a one-off deal, it either has to cost a LOT or they need a LOT of customers... probably both if it is from a publicly traded company that has stockholders.

There would be no reason for such companies profiting in your death to care if you could be helped or cured. Which business makes more money? If they can keep a regular percentage of the population suicidal at the same time they outlaw abortion and other things to encourage higher birth rates... there would be a big industry designed around pumping out new depressed people to kill themselves by design for profit.

Think what happened in the for-profit prison industry. There became incentive to have criminals in prison for that profit... so kickbacks to police and judges, and stricter enforcement of laws, harsher punishments, intentional increased incentive towards recidivism, etc. etc.

So as much as I want the right to suicide if I see no other option... I feel scared at the scenario of it becoming another profitable corporate endeavor someday. Society sucks for a lot of us... instead of improving it, there would be even more incentive to keep it horrible.

 

[FuneralCry]

I really understand as I also wish to peacefully cease existing and I see so much cruelty in how we exist in this horrific anti-suicide world with the suffering and torture of human existence seen as to force and prolong no matter what and I just wish I never suffered at all.

I'll always see it as so dreadful to be burdened with this existence I always saw as a mistake with no limit as to how much agony one can feel just to decay and die anyway, for me existence really is the problem and I'd just never wish for the pain and suffering of existing, I always suffer from how I cannot just die painlessly to escape from the abomination of existence, all I wish is for an eternal dreamless sleep where all is finally forgotten.

 

[snooperdooper]

I think a lot of us have seen that video of the old lady being allowed assisted suicide. She was surrounded by her friends and she was content, if not happy. God, imagine if we lived in a world in which that was the norm. Instead of so many of us suffering, our only outlet to anything remotely suicide-neutral being this website, we would be able to die surrounded by family and friends with no feeling of resentment towards those keeping us alive.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

It was legal until government monsters made someone helping another person with suicide a crime.

For example in the US it would be trivial to hire someone to shoot me in the head. But they made that a crime

They also made Nembutal , suicide booths , suicide kits , someone helping u with suicide crimes

 

[deathisapanacea]

It was legal until government monsters made someone helping another person with suicide a crime.

For example in the US it would be trivial to hire someone to shoot me in the head. But they made that a crime

They also made Nembutal , suicide booths , suicide kits , someone helping u with suicide crimes

will the tide ever again in favor of suicide enthusiasts ?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

will the tide ever again in favor of suicide enthusiasts ?

I don't think so. They seem to be making their suicide prohibition state even worse .

They don't want the slaves escaping the prison or to have any rights like owning their own body or being able to make a choice that is not approved by them

And when ai improves they will use Ai to monitor and control us more

 

[opro111]

It should be, if someone wants to leave this world, let them. Its only right, especially given that nothing in existence chose to

As depressed as I am and as much as I hope to be gone in a couple of months... I don't know how to feel about this.

I do believe we should have the right to kill ourselves. I believe it should not be a crime.

But think how our society works... if it was made legal to kill yourself for any reason, not just terminal illnesses or chronic pain and such... if you or I could just walk in and buy a pill or pay for a service to be hooked up to a painless suicide booth... you know what would happen, right?

It would be a product/service and capitalism means companies would want to profit... which means they need customers... which means marketing and encouraging suicides. Big business wants you to buy their product, and since it's a one-off deal, it either has to cost a LOT or they need a LOT of customers... probably both if it is from a publicly traded company that has stockholders.

There would be no reason for such companies profiting in your death to care if you could be helped or cured. Which business makes more money? If they can keep a regular percentage of the population suicidal at the same time they outlaw abortion and other things to encourage higher birth rates... there would be a big industry designed around pumping out new depressed people to kill themselves by design for profit.

Think what happened in the for-profit prison industry. There became incentive to have criminals in prison for that profit... so kickbacks to police and judges, and stricter enforcement of laws, harsher punishments, intentional increased incentive towards recidivism, etc. etc.

So as much as I want the right to suicide if I see no other option... I feel scared at the scenario of it becoming another profitable corporate endeavor someday. Society sucks for a lot of us... instead of improving it, there would be even more incentive to keep it horrible.

Yeah I guess that makes sense. I was thinking more in a not for profit organization context. Actually, as you probably know, there are organizations in Switzerland that cost more than $10,000 to get assisted dying. These also have quite strict requirements, but shows currently what you are saying about if it is a product/service. Some of these organizations are also very against organizations that do not charge remotely that much like Last Resort, I assume because of the money they are making.

 

[Dejected 55]

Yeah I guess that makes sense. I was thinking more in a not for profit organization context. Actually, as you probably know, there are organizations in Switzerland that cost more than $10,000 to get assisted dying. These also have quite strict requirements, but shows currently what you are saying about if it is a product/service. Some of these organizations are also very against organizations that do not charge remotely that much like Last Resort, I assume because of the money they are making.

Yeah, someone offering a free version of what a company wants to profit from are challenged and driven from the market. You don't undercut other businesses with impunity. The "free" market takes care of that sort of thing UNLESS the entire consumer base balks.

Water isn't free for most folks... I'm surprised no one has yet figured out a way to charge for breathing air outside. If someone ever figures out a way to monetize that, you can bet it will happen.

If suicide rates were low versus the overall population, it could maybe be sustained as a free enterprise because companies would have to charge more than it was worth to make money at it... so then it could survive as a free enterprise if legalized. But rising suicide rates start looking attractive in a legal environment.

Not the same, but think legalized marijuana in the US. There are people incarcerated for marijuana possession or use in places where it is now legal and those people aren't getting any relief from their sentences... meanwhile, people who were fervently "against" marijuana just five minutes ago are behind big business ventures in the sale and distribution now that it is legal... and of course the government likes its taxes on the product.

The cycle repeats.

 

[opro111]

Yeah, someone offering a free version of what a company wants to profit from are challenged and driven from the market. You don't undercut other businesses with impunity. The "free" market takes care of that sort of thing UNLESS the entire consumer base balks.

Water isn't free for most folks... I'm surprised no one has yet figured out a way to charge for breathing air outside. If someone ever figures out a way to monetize that, you can bet it will happen.

If suicide rates were low versus the overall population, it could maybe be sustained as a free enterprise because companies would have to charge more than it was worth to make money at it... so then it could survive as a free enterprise if legalized. But rising suicide rates start looking attractive in a legal environment.

Not the same, but think legalized marijuana in the US. There are people incarcerated for marijuana possession or use in places where it is now legal and those people aren't getting any relief from their sentences... meanwhile, people who were fervently "against" marijuana just five minutes ago are behind big business ventures in the sale and distribution now that it is legal... and of course the government likes its taxes on the product.

The cycle repeats.

I think you have good points here. But I think that becoming a product/service would at least be heading in the right direction. At least the legal services like water and marijuana are easily accessible for most people in places like the US for example. I would much prefer that things like N were more widely available, even if it were a "product", compared to being next to impossible to get.

 

[Dejected 55]

I think you have good points here. But I think that becoming a product/service would at least be heading in the right direction. At least the legal services like water and marijuana are easily accessible for most people in places like the US for example. I would much prefer that things like N were more widely available, even if it were a "product", compared to being next to impossible to get.

I think if people were more logical, it would make more sense. Unfortunately, there are enough evil or controlling/greedy people that my fear is as I posted initially... that it would become a commodity and our lives would become even more of a commodity... and I could envision a sad future where certain chunks of the population would be steered into necessary jobs that society needs done only to work them to death and subtly discourage them from doing anything else to the point of being suicidal before steering them into the profitable suicide industry. Heck, it could be a new way of genocide. Instead of wars and concentration camps, "give" people exhausting jobs in "peace" and a life that teases them just enough but keeps the good stuff out of their reach until they despair and want to kill themselves. You don't have to genocide anymore, because they'll off themselves and pay you to let them do it.

Maybe that's a little an-nihilistic and pessimistic, but I can kind of see it being a "good" idea in some horrible people's heads. I hope I don't live long enough to see that happen to the world.

 

[notreallybored]

As depressed as I am and as much as I hope to be gone in a couple of months... I don't know how to feel about this.

I do believe we should have the right to kill ourselves. I believe it should not be a crime.

But think how our society works... if it was made legal to kill yourself for any reason, not just terminal illnesses or chronic pain and such... if you or I could just walk in and buy a pill or pay for a service to be hooked up to a painless suicide booth... you know what would happen, right?

It would be a product/service and capitalism means companies would want to profit... which means they need customers... which means marketing and encouraging suicides. Big business wants you to buy their product, and since it's a one-off deal, it either has to cost a LOT or they need a LOT of customers... probably both if it is from a publicly traded company that has stockholders.

There would be no reason for such companies profiting in your death to care if you could be helped or cured. Which business makes more money? If they can keep a regular percentage of the population suicidal at the same time they outlaw abortion and other things to encourage higher birth rates... there would be a big industry designed around pumping out new depressed people to kill themselves by design for profit.

Think what happened in the for-profit prison industry. There became incentive to have criminals in prison for that profit... so kickbacks to police and judges, and stricter enforcement of laws, harsher punishments, intentional increased incentive towards recidivism, etc. etc.

So as much as I want the right to suicide if I see no other option... I feel scared at the scenario of it becoming another profitable corporate endeavor someday. Society sucks for a lot of us... instead of improving it, there would be even more incentive to keep it horrible.

ב''ה,
I'd go with some of this slippery slope stuff except, look around, it's *already* thus and has been for a decade solid, just without the peaceful exit.

 

[Forever Sleep]

As depressed as I am and as much as I hope to be gone in a couple of months... I don't know how to feel about this.

I do believe we should have the right to kill ourselves. I believe it should not be a crime.

But think how our society works... if it was made legal to kill yourself for any reason, not just terminal illnesses or chronic pain and such... if you or I could just walk in and buy a pill or pay for a service to be hooked up to a painless suicide booth... you know what would happen, right?

It would be a product/service and capitalism means companies would want to profit... which means they need customers... which means marketing and encouraging suicides. Big business wants you to buy their product, and since it's a one-off deal, it either has to cost a LOT or they need a LOT of customers... probably both if it is from a publicly traded company that has stockholders.

There would be no reason for such companies profiting in your death to care if you could be helped or cured. Which business makes more money? If they can keep a regular percentage of the population suicidal at the same time they outlaw abortion and other things to encourage higher birth rates... there would be a big industry designed around pumping out new depressed people to kill themselves by design for profit.

Think what happened in the for-profit prison industry. There became incentive to have criminals in prison for that profit... so kickbacks to police and judges, and stricter enforcement of laws, harsher punishments, intentional increased incentive towards recidivism, etc. etc.

So as much as I want the right to suicide if I see no other option... I feel scared at the scenario of it becoming another profitable corporate endeavor someday. Society sucks for a lot of us... instead of improving it, there would be even more incentive to keep it horrible.

I've wondered about this. I imagine it's partly why many of the operating clinics are non profits. I also agree that there is something dodgy about letting our governments run them. What's to stop them simply withdrawing even more funds from benefits and support and put it into killing off 'undesirables'. I personally feel like they should be non-profit, independent from the government and that pricing should be standardised.

I do agree though OP. I wish it was an option for more of us. I still think it should be regulated so that it is in fact the right choice for people and isn't abused.

 

[Alexandra_]

I would also like that very much. It would certainly be the right decision. After all, every person without exception has the right to choose. But the truth is that it will never happen. I almost became a member of Dignitas once, but a lot comes down to money. I was so hurt from frustration that words cannot describe it, so I will have to do everything with my own hands