Sad Irony (Tentacrul)

[Gurbangulite]

Hi there. I would like to say firstly that I'm happy to finally be here. I've been looking for you all for a long time now.

How many came here from Tentacrul? A few posts up I saw a poll and it seems like the majority of us come here from Tentacrul's video. And I know, I don't want to just make this forum overrun with people talking about him. I personally respect what he's trying to do but don't really agree with the notion that this site should be censored. So, I was wondering what do you all think of him, especially those of us who first heard of this forum through him? Do you all feel like his heart is in the right place? Does he horribly misunderstand? Is he selfish for putting his beliefs against suicide above the experiences of everyone here? Morally superior? Please let me know. I feel this sort of pitiful irony towards him (not calling him pitiful) because now when I finally do it, I'll have done it from information I've gathered here. It makes me sort of sad,
honestly because I'm not trying to be vindictive. It feels like it hugely backfired on him.

Sorry if this isn't original, I'm new here.

 

[FadingSunshine]

I feel like it's very easy to fall into negative thoughts on this forum, because it seems like negative thoughts are encouraged, and it can lead to a rabbit hole of feeling worse and worse than you started off. However It's so nice to finally be able to "drop the mask", this forum provides something that you can't find anywhere else, just gotta use it in reserve and take it with a grain of salt. Also I rewatched the video after coming here, he definitely comes off as biased in the video, in every goodbye thread people still say "If you have second thoughts don't feel pressured to follow through". On here, suicide is truly a last option, unlike how he portrayed it like people here were encouraging others to CTB. He had some questionable to downright wrong claims in the video.

 

[Gurbangulite]

I feel like it's very easy to fall into negative thoughts on this forum, because it seems like negative thoughts are encouraged, and it can lead to a rabbit hole of feeling worse and worse than you started off. However It's so nice to finally be able to "drop the mask", this forum provides something that you can't find anywhere else, just gotta use it in reserve and take it with a grain of salt. Also I rewatched the video after coming here, he definitely comes off as biased in the video, in every goodbye thread people still say "If you have second thoughts don't feel pressured to follow through". On here, suicide is truly a last option, unlike how he portrayed it like people here were encouraging others to CTB. He had some questionable to downright wrong claims in the video.

Yeah. I mean even the title does feel a bit... Sensationalist? "where the young are encouraged to die". Come on, it gets clicks. I haven't seen any encouragement personally. Resources and instructions on a swift and painless death should not be a crime. This is like a help board so open that suicide is something that can be openly talked about, and at "worst" a lot of people here are open to a different philosophy built out of understanding that life can really just be unbearable and that suicide might be an option; not necessarily that it is the final option.

I wouldn't want the people I love to die, but if they had to I'd hope it would be quick and painless, and they wouldn't survive in such a way where they're just suffering. It's an act of empathy we give to our pets, even. Why not ourselves?

 

[MeltingBrain]

1. His thumbnail was "Do it" or something of that sort . I haven't seen one person say that here and it's against the rules . Members will get banned for saying that . He conveniently left that out
2. He mentions recovery section in passing which has same visibility as other sections.
3. He has gone after individual members who already are suicidal and now this guy has piled on them even more . I bet this affected them badly. eg- One member hated his own mom, instead of trying to understand why he feels that way , he demonized and shamed him in front of millions of people. Many people here grew up in households where parent/s were physically, mentally abusive but Tantacrul doesn't bother to find out . As long as he can gets his clicks and his bias validated he doesn't care who he throws under the bus including suicidal people whom he ironically claims to protect.

I think his heart is in the right place but bias and sensationalism for views swayed him more than presenting an accurate picture of this forum.

 

[MrDarkness]

I didn't even watch the video for more then 5 seconds then I found the site. I love it; even though if I probably didn't find this site I wouldn't be as nearly as suicidal. But I realized no matter what, I'll be suicidal. Plus my life is meaningless so at least I know of ways to die properly

 

[Ambivalent1]

He's a little bitch. Why do people watch these streamer bitches?

 

[TransilvanianHunger]

I think Martin's heart is in the right place, to be honest. I've been following his work for years, and he's always seemed like a very creative, very kind guy. But he's just a guy, at the end of the day, with biases and blind spots like everyone else, and all of that came out in force during his video on this place.

Let's not kid ourselves, suicide is one of the few taboo subjects in the West that elicit visceral, irrational reactions from the median person. Taking one's own life is an extreme situation by any normal standards, and very few people will be interested in having a conversation about it, or even entertaining the idea that open discussion can be good, actually.

I take Martin's experience with the kid from his community at face value. Some accuse him of using the kid's death as a prop to start a campaign against this site, but I actually believe that things happened as Martin describes them. Or rather, I believe that he believes that's how it went down, and that the whole situation shook him. I don't know him personally, but I know that he's been quite successful professionally at least, so I doubt he's been in a place where taking his own life seemed like the only option left. This place, and the fact that we talk about suicide here in the open, must be incredibly alien to him and, without the possibility of empathising with people here due to the taboo nature of the topic, his instinct was to lash out, essentially. SS is an identifiable target to go after—there are people behind the forum, specific users who post on it. It's a hell of a lot more concrete than trying to figure out why the kid from his Discord killed himself, or indeed why so many people do it every day around the world. You can point a finger at SS and call people to action. You can't point it at the global mental health crisis the world is going through.

I've been here for a few months now, and I've seen many things that Martin's video didn't mention. There are so many kind folks here, helping each other cope, asking for encouragement and support, sharing their journey towards recovery... There are some things happening here that don't sit well with me, and threads can easily get into echo chamber territory. Though you could argue that the video presents the bad bits in an exaggerated form to make a point.

In general, I think it was a misguided but well-meaning attempt at doing something. I don't think it was particularly effective either. It sure as hell hasn't done anything to address any of the real problems that push people into spaces like this one.

 

[FadingSunshine]

I think Martin's heart is in the right place, to be honest. I've been following his work for years, and he's always seemed like a very creative, very kind guy. But he's just a guy, at the end of the day, with biases and blind spots like everyone else, and all of that came out in force during his video on this place.

Let's not kid ourselves, suicide is one of the few taboo subjects in the West that elicit visceral, irrational reactions from the median person. Taking one's own life is an extreme situation by any normal standards, and very few people will be interested in having a conversation about it, or even entertaining the idea that open discussion can be good, actually.

I take Martin's experience with the kid from his community at face value. Some accuse him of using the kid's death as a prop to start a campaign against this site, but I actually believe that things happened as Martin describes them. Or rather, I believe that he believes that's how it went down, and that the whole situation shook him. I don't know him personally, but I know that he's been quite successful professionally at least, so I doubt he's been in a place where taking his own life seemed like the only option left. This place, and the fact that we talk about suicide here in the open, must be incredibly alien to him and, without the possibility of empathising with people here due to the taboo nature of the topic, his instinct was to lash out, essentially. SS is an identifiable target to go after—there are people behind the forum, specific users who post on it. It's a hell of a lot more concrete than trying to figure out why the kid from his Discord killed himself, or indeed why so many people do it every day around the world. You can point a finger at SS and call people to action. You can't point it at the global mental health crisis the world is going through.

I've been here for a few months now, and I've seen many things that Martin's video didn't mention. There are so many kind folks here, helping each other cope, asking for encouragement and support, sharing their journey towards recovery... There are some things happening here that don't sit well with me, and threads can easily get into echo chamber territory. Though you could argue that the video presents the bad bits in an exaggerated form to make a point.

In general, I think it was a misguided but well-meaning attempt at doing something. I don't think it was particularly effective either. It sure as hell hasn't done anything to address any of the real problems that push people into spaces like this one.

Very well said.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

I think Martin's heart is in the right place, to be honest. I've been following his work for years, and he's always seemed like a very creative, very kind guy. But he's just a guy, at the end of the day, with biases and blind spots like everyone else, and all of that came out in force during his video on this place.

Let's not kid ourselves, suicide is one of the few taboo subjects in the West that elicit visceral, irrational reactions from the median person. Taking one's own life is an extreme situation by any normal standards, and very few people will be interested in having a conversation about it, or even entertaining the idea that open discussion can be good, actually.

I take Martin's experience with the kid from his community at face value. Some accuse him of using the kid's death as a prop to start a campaign against this site, but I actually believe that things happened as Martin describes them. Or rather, I believe that he believes that's how it went down, and that the whole situation shook him. I don't know him personally, but I know that he's been quite successful professionally at least, so I doubt he's been in a place where taking his own life seemed like the only option left. This place, and the fact that we talk about suicide here in the open, must be incredibly alien to him and, without the possibility of empathising with people here due to the taboo nature of the topic, his instinct was to lash out, essentially. SS is an identifiable target to go after—there are people behind the forum, specific users who post on it. It's a hell of a lot more concrete than trying to figure out why the kid from his Discord killed himself, or indeed why so many people do it every day around the world. You can point a finger at SS and call people to action. You can't point it at the global mental health crisis the world is going through.

I've been here for a few months now, and I've seen many things that Martin's video didn't mention. There are so many kind folks here, helping each other cope, asking for encouragement and support, sharing their journey towards recovery... There are some things happening here that don't sit well with me, and threads can easily get into echo chamber territory. Though you could argue that the video presents the bad bits in an exaggerated form to make a point.

In general, I think it was a misguided but well-meaning attempt at doing something. I don't think it was particularly effective either. It sure as hell hasn't done anything to address any of the real problems that push people into spaces like this one.

Personally I firmly believe the boy would most likely have gone on to kill himself when and how he did even if people here had more actively tried to deter him, or even if he had never accessed this site. He came here very determined and didn't use any information he obtained here in his suicide. But I also believe if he had made his age more explicitly clear people would have tried more to sway him.

It was just frustrating that someone without any real relevant expertise or experience started to spout off facile and substance-less opinions about the topic. He was very dismissive of our wariness and cynicism towards coercive mental health treatment, not understanding that not only have many of us have not been helped but also been harmed by it, a fact which is very often documented here very frequently (not to mention that suicides happen in psychiatric facilities all the times; those places have a much higher duty of care to their patients than this site does to its users; where is his outrage about that?).

Even the thumbnail was grossly manipulative, playing on stereotypes revolving around people who like anime and with its "do it" line, the kind of statement which is not allowed here in any way.

It's sad too that he painted this place as a big cult considering that in his original thread he receives a variety of responses, some very sympathetic and even agreeing with some of his criticisms.

From my work bullying and family abuse are much more common causes of teenage suicide than some website. If he wants to make a dent in teenage suicide his efforts are better redirected towards trying to remedy those ills.

His video was certainly effective in driving interested people to this forum, a fact which he apparently has never bothered to try to sqaure.

 

[TransilvanianHunger]

Personally I firmly believe the boy would most likely have gone on to kill himself when and how he did even if people here had more actively tried to deter him, or even if he had never accessed this site. He came here very determined and didn't use any information he obtained here in his suicide. But I also believe if he had made his age more explicitly clear people would have tried more to sway him.

I'm only vaguely aware of the details here, but yes, that's more or less the story as I understand it. I'm instantly suspicious of claims like this one to begin with—media/music/the Internet "causing" someone to do something, and that is one of the first things about the video that caught my attention.

It was just frustrating that someone without any real relevant expertise or experience started to spout off facile and substance-less opinions about the topic. He was very dismissive of our wariness and cynicism towards coercive mental health treatment, not understanding that not only have many of us have not been helped but also been harmed by it, a fact which is very often documented here very frequently (not to mention that suicides happen in psychiatric facilities all the times; those places have a much higher duty of care to their patients than this site does to its users; where is his outrage about that?).

Not trying to justify him specifically, but suicide is one of those topics where most people seem to have an opinion already, and it's too controversial to entertain anything other than what you already believe. Those opinions are also rarely the result of direct experience, research, or anything more than a visceral reaction and revulsion at the thought of someone killing themselves. So, this bit didn't really surprise me. What would've surprised me is if he'd come here to do research and end up with a more nuanced view, but it feels like he came in looking for evidence to justify his conclusion, so he ignored a lot of things and interpreted others in the least charitable way possible.

Even the thumbnail was grossly manipulative, playing on stereotypes revolving around people who like anime and with its "do it" line, the kind of statement which is not allowed here in any way.

It's sad too that he painted this place as a big cult considering that in his original thread he receives a variety of responses, some very sympathetic and even agreeing with some of his criticisms.

Agree, definitely. I also have my own share of criticism and issues with this place, but depicting it as a "cult" is incredibly disingenuous and misleading. But, like I said, Martin probably came here looking for someone to blame. His experience was filtered through his own lens of "someone is responsible for what this kid did".

From my work bullying and family abuse are much more common causes of teenage suicide than some website. If he wants to make a dent in teenage suicide his efforts are better redirected towards trying to remedy those ills.

This is probably the saddest part of the whole story for me. He could've done a lot more with this situation if he tried to understand what went on with the boy, and what goes on for other people in similar situations. Instead, he went for the "easy" solution—find some group to blame, call for them to be taken down, and ignore the actual root of the problem. It was a wasted opportunity, I think.

 

[nothingbutmybest]

When I first watched his video, I can't deny that I thought this site was genuinely terrible because suicide really should be a last option but when I came onto the site, a lot of people are really respectful and have thought it through. This site is NOTHING like how he portrayed it, I think he is taking a moral high ground though to be fair he is personally affected as well. Basically, I get it but what the fuck man?

 

[Shaylla1998]

Upon viewing the entire video, to me, it appears that Tantacrul was deeply involved emotionally and may not have fully taken into account the perspective of the boy or this website.

 

[PinkyStat]

I have recently watched the video, and no the site isn't nearly as bad as he says, i will not judge his point of view, afterall, he lost someone with a lot of talent (mostly) because of this site, I really disagree with some of his thoughts like ''everyone could be saved'' and ''things will get better (this sentence pisses me off)'' or that the site should be banned, since this is the only place that we can be completely honest about suicide without being seen as ''sick'' people

But… I just think he was having a bad time after his death and as a pro-lifer he made that video criticizing the community as a whole with his emotions playing the major role, I mean he is a good guy (or at least seems to be), I just think that he was a too harsh saying that all of us are guilty for directly killing someone and that we want everyone to die… not just Tentacrul, but the comments they make it seem like we are some kind of group of psycopaths that want the worst for the world, that really REALLY makes me angry about this whole situation (really, i dont think that those people have ever suffered from the traumas/mental problems that most of us have been through)

Sorry if this is weird or if i had some spelling mistakes im very tired rn