Discussion Replicating SS in real life

[angelus]

Hi everyone,

I hope I'm not posting this in the wrong place.
I have a question and I'd like to invite you all to give some of your ideas.

Many of us know very well the inefficiency of the mental healthcare system. We know how SS saved so many lives, which without this community would've been lost. And how it gave others a way of peaceful escape.

How do you think the Mental Healthcare System could be improved for people like us? What improvements would you propose?
How do you think the SS community model could be replicated in Real Life and implemented as a therapeutic model?

I mean here, that looking at the complete indifference of the medical specialists regarding our true problems and our real needs, it could come out as a good idea to facilitate suicidal people meet and talk their experiences in real life, with minimal intervention of any institution.
I'm thinking about something like Anonymous Alcoholics, but based on the principles of this community.
I think people that are more alike could be better for each other rather than a specialist who has no deal with our problems in reality.
Could be a "live SS" a good idea?

 

[アホペンギン]

We have been recently getting lots of negative publicity because supposedly we are death traffickers and take joy in encouraging people to commit suicide so, I'm not sure how our community would be implemented in real life without getting lots of public intervention and drastically more bad publicity. If you're talking about our "style" of helping people be implemented in real life then I don't see a problem in that, the only obstacles that we'd face doing so is all of the people who are in charge of the mental healthcare system would refuse and belittle our ideas, unbeknownst to the fact that we've saved many more people than they probably did and ever will.

Furthermore, you are right, people being alike in most cases would have much more understanding for each other and there'd be much more potential to recover from whatever problems are being faced. There'd also be no asylums or intervention involved because it'd be considered as a normal conversation. This would be an amazing alternative to the mental healthcare system, which is extremely inefficient and not understanding in the slightest. This is a good idea, having a "live SS". I hope it gets implemented into our society someday and its generally accepted throughout the public and possibly the world.

 

[dead_milky]

it's hard to tell. But mostly, mental health professionals lack sympathy and understanding. They don't take enough time to actually try and understand your views. They hear them. But they don't listen to them.
Just as you said - ss SAVED lives, despite what people may think. It's a supportive community, not some "suicide cult" where creeps get off to teens ctb. I think what makes it work is actual understanding. Yes, some people here will unavoidably ctb - but a lot of them won't and I think that's because here people really get what you mean.

 

[chris1979]

I'm sorry if this idea is controversial, but maybe the only way it can work in real life is to only have the "recovery" part of the site made into a real world support system.

 

[AshClouds]

A lot of us can't even go out and socialize. It wouldn't exactly be a hit

 

[ChronicallyCynical]

I doubt that in the foreseeable future, this could be fully realised.

But in small increments, maybe society could turn towards being more pro-choice and less extremely pro-life.

In such a world, maybe we wouldn't be seen as merchants of death, even if I doubt the full extent of all of our views would be deemed "normal".

 

[Death is my goal]

How do you think the Mental Healthcare System could be improved for people like us? What improvements would you propose?
How do you think the SS community model could be replicated in Real Life and implemented as a therapeutic model?

no point in answering this, what we think doesn't matter, nothing will change, nobody cares.

 

[Duality]

It would help if therapists and psychiatrists didn't do the whole "If you feel like you're a danger to yourself, I'll have to call the cops" spiel. It makes it hard for people to want to even find someone to talk to, because who knows if they're just going to stab them in the back later.

Then there's an issue of affordability, or long waiting lists for psychs/therapists. This is the most pressing issue that people face, at least from what I see, so this has to be fixed first.

In short, everyone should be able to freely discuss suicide without the fear of having a psych hold on them or whatever, and without it bankrupting them.

 

[alexit]

Hi everyone,

I hope I'm not posting this in the wrong place.
I have a question and I'd like to invite you all to give some of your ideas.

Many of us know very well the inefficiency of the mental healthcare system. We know how SS saved so many lives, which without this community would've been lost. And how it gave others a way of peaceful escape.

How do you think the Mental Healthcare System could be improved for people like us? What improvements would you propose?
How do you think the SS community model could be replicated in Real Life and implemented as a therapeutic model?

I mean here, that looking at the complete indifference of the medical specialists regarding our true problems and our real needs, it could come out as a good idea to facilitate suicidal people meet and talk their experiences in real life, with minimal intervention of any institution.
I'm thinking about something like Anonymous Alcoholics, but based on the principles of this community.
I think people that are more alike could be better for each other rather than a specialist who has no deal with our problems in reality.
Could be a "live SS" a good idea?

If we truly embraced the idea that people's body are theirs to do with what they want, so long as it doesn't hurt someone else, then suicide would be embraced in a way that we would treasure life.

 

[snowcloud9]

I mean this is a big reason probably, at least for Americans… SS is accessible and free. The USA isn't changing up their healthcare system any time soon. This is all a conscious choice in the name of profit. And any free resources are really hard to get, with their long queues.

Also the quality of mental health professionals is really bad. Professionals that infantilize me, some that dismiss me, many are rude, and some that can't hide their looks of pity and make me extremely uncomfortable also I can't talk freely with them because of their stupid non-confidentiality with suicide rule. Suicide takes up such an integral part of my life that not being able to talk about it completely defeats the purpose of therapy

 

[Marine]

I want to create a café that would be a zero taboo safe place for people suffering, especially young people, unfortunately I don't really know how to proceed without funds and given the fact that I'm an anarchist and want to avoid government involvement as much as possible and don't know the best strategy yet. Also being alone stuck in hell retards me obviously more than anything. But I'd really like to make it happen if I'm saved in time.

 

[angelus]

A lot of us can't even go out and socialize. It wouldn't exactly be a hit

That's exactly my case as well. But regardless of how remote or secluded we are, everyone of us is built to be social. We need society, we need relationship with another human beings.
I was thinking of a system that would be able to do exactly this, bring damaged people together in real life, and engage them to solve the problems they aren't able to face alone. Support them in a realistic and practical way.

 

[moondazed]

That's exactly my case as well. But regardless of how remote or secluded we are, everyone of us is built to be social. We need society, we need relationship with another human beings.
I was thinking of a system that would be able to do exactly this, bring damaged people together in real life, and engage them to solve the problems they aren't able to face alone. Support them in a realistic and practical way.

I hardly ever go clubbing due to social anxiety, but I went to one alone last Christmas on bit of a compulsive whim (had mdma so that helped). It was full of depressed and broken young adults who had nowhere to go for Christmas, just like me. I had so much fun that night and some really great conversations, and ofc danced like a doofus. There was a dark gothic undertone to the bassy music too, and the twenty or so of us there just vibed all night, it was melancholic bliss.

It can be really fun when you get a bunch of sad people together under some kind of purpose. Doesn't need to involve alcohol or drugs to be good and nice though. I've been considering seeking out some sort of group recover/therapy local to me, after my experience on this site. Maybe I need to find sad people to just be sad with

 

[angelus]

no point in answering this, what we think doesn't matter, nothing will change, nobody cares.

I know your words are not a depressive opinion, but they are very realistic and reflect the naked reality.
But I think that if our points of view are well put in front of the "specialists", some level of collaboration could be achieved. I think we could put pressure on them to change and treat us according to our real needs, and collaborate with us as equals, indiscriminately.
I know what I say is utopia.
But I look at the open mindedness regarding voluntary euthanasia in countries like Swizzerland, Netherlands, Germany, and other ones, which could be promising.
I think society has to move forward in this direction at some point, following the lead of the named countries.
I had a bad experience with my psychiatrist, but she is young, 33 yo., and I saw that she could be receptive. You know? ....not stupid, not unwilling, but clueless.
I started to visit her for 7 months, writing to her some material to guide her towards our side of viewing the world. Teaching her what to see and what to address, how to practically treat problems and help.
She seemed to be receptive, but she didn't read anything, she always excused herself finding reasons. She supported me just to keep me involved and busy, "to give me a sense of purpose" and to keep herself free and duty-relived.
The main problem psychiatrists have is disinterest and ignorance.
But when they're forced to do something practical, to learn new perspectives, to change approach and techniques, to actually discuss with the pacient, they dump you.
But if there would be a coalition around this, I think that the power of the many could make a real change in the system.

 

[IBM0000]

I want to create a café that would be a zero taboo safe place for people suffering, especially young people, unfortunately I don't really know how to proceed without funds and given the fact that I'm an anarchist and want to avoid government involvement as much as possible and don't know the best strategy yet. Also being alone stuck in hell retards me obviously more than anything. But I'd really like to make it happen if I'm saved in time.

The problem with anarchism is that, it's too much to expect a society run by indiviual communities. I don't know what will happen, but, overall, quality of life might suffer. I think the solution is government intervention by a socialist government. I am not sure about the cafe though, might just get shut down by pro-lifers as soon as you advertise it or its purpose leaked to the internet.

 

[real human being]

I think that it would be great to have communities where suicidal / depressed / mentally ill people could get together in some setting or other. I think a support group model can work for this. Maybe a support group for depressed people for instance, where depressed people can gather and discuss their issues and the various things going on in their lives in a safe environment. It would also be a great way to meet like minded people. If such a thing existed IRL, I'd give it a try.

 

[Marine]

The problem with anarchism is that, it's too much to expect a society run by indiviual communities. I don't know what will happen, but, overall, quality of life might suffer. I think the solution is government intervention by a socialist government. I am not sure about the cafe though, might just get shut down by pro-lifers as soon as you advertise it or its purpose leaked to the internet.

That's political brainwashing. So we don't even consider that possibility. Worked on you I guess. That's a lie though.

 

[Cress]

I think you have a really big uphill battle for anything like this website appearing in real life. The philosophy at the moment is there is never any reason ever to commit suicide. You would have to erode this state of mind somewhat to even make even a small amount of ground. Generally the people that make the rule Are really healthy and are well adjusted well functioning members of society So they have a hard time imagining when suicide would ever be okay. Your best bet is probably getting something started in the colleges as the root of this is all Of a philosophical and academic nature.