Story Redditor "Saves" Coworker

[orbit]

I don't agree with saying the person who 'saved' them is a horrible person for doing so. They acted on instinct, a lot of you no matter what you type out on here would most likely do the same if faced with this situation in real life. We can go on about being pro choice on here, but if someone was dying in front of us our instincts would kick in and push us to 'save' said person.

You have to remember being suicidal is a minority. The majority of people cannot fathom why someone would want to take their life, like you and I cannot fathom why someone would want to murder or rape someone. Of course they are going to step in, they're only human and in the moment it's not like they have the space to be able to determine the morality of wether or not to let someone die on their terms.

It's a terrible situation for both people and I wish the best for them, but I think calling that person horrible or saying they should feel ashamed of themselves is a bit narrow minded and cruel. It's not their fault that person decided to attempt in a public place and it's not their fault they sustained brain damage after their attempt. Unfortunately, that responsibility falls on the person who decided to attempt in such a way in the first place. It's terrible and tragic but it's the reality of the situation.

 

[SilentSadness]

What a horrible, evil, insufferable person. The kind of person that, when you are the most vulnerable, decides that you are their property. They should be eternally ashamed and guilty.

The co-worker didn't cause anyone brain damage.

The person attempting used a method that carries a risk of brain damage if interrupted — which is exactly what happened.

If an unsuspecting person walks in on a suicide attempt, they're placed in an impossible situation: either do what they can to save the person, or walk away knowing they allowed someone to die. Once they've been made part of that attempt, their conscience will forever carry some responsibility for what happens next.

Sorry but this is total nonsense. If someone attempts suicide it's not up to you to stop them, the only correct responses are to leave them be or inform the police. If the person cut them down and their victim had brain damage as a result, as far as I'm concerned they should be personally liable (although they will never be punished for it). Please do not post this horrible victim-blaming on the only safe space on the internet.

 

[darkenmydoorstep]

I agree with the comments that say they shouldn't have done it at work if they didn't want to be found.
Whilst I certainly don't think the person who found her was a hero, I think as a colleague in an office walking in on such a scene, what were they supposed to do? Realistically. Considering you work there too, they may have CCTV etc. This person should not have been put in such a position.

 

[Dot]

What a horrible, evil, insufferable person. The kind of person that, when you are the most vulnerable, decides that you are their property. They should be eternally ashamed and guilty.

Sorry but this is total nonsense. If someone attempts suicide it's not up to you to stop them, the only correct responses are to leave them be or inform the police. If the person cut them down and their victim had brain damage as a result, as far as I'm concerned they should be personally liable (although they will never be punished for it). Please do not post this horrible victim-blaming on the only safe space on the internet.

Wht abt liablty fr PTSD fr makng an unsuspctng persn wlk in on a hangng crpse in thr wrk spce

Slf am pro-chce bt thre r reasns Y mny ppl ctb in htels awy frm thr famlis or wh/ leav ntes on doors sayng 'cll polce'

= xactly t/ prevnt puttng uninvlvd ppl in sch stuatns in th/ 1st plce

Ppl hve autnmy ovr thr bdies bt = ds nt mn tht thy cn jst off thmslves in frnt of wh/evr thy lke

Slf hve Mpathy fr th/ persn wh/ attmptd & cn also undrstnd Y thy mght fl persnlly angry @ th/ persn wh/ intrruptd thm

Slf also undrstnd Y ctb in publc plces happn in th/ 1st plce & slf d/ nt necssrly blme thm fr doin tht bt tryn2 sve a lfe jst mkes a persn humn & ds nt equ8 doin tht makng n.e1 'proprty'

0 emotnlly helthy ppl wn2 fl as tho thy r rsponsble fr th/ deth of anothr persn & makng thm a prt of a suicde pts thm in an impssble positn whch thy wre also nt emotnlly prepard fr

Edt - slf stll undrstnd Y ppl ctb in plces whch affct othr ppl bt imo = jst nt fair t/ thn jdge thse ppl fr hwevr thy react in sch trmatic circmstncs

 

[Dante_]

Wht abt liablty fr PTSD fr makng an unsuspctng persn wlk in on a hangng crpse in thr wrk spce

Slf am pro-chce bt thre r reasns Y mny ppl ctb in htels awy frm thr famlis or wh/ leav ntes on doors sayng 'cll polce'

= xactly t/ prevnt puttng uninvlvd ppl in sch stuatns in th/ 1st plce

Ppl hve autnmy ovr thr bdies bt = ds nt mn tht thy cn jst off thmslves in frnt of wh/evr thy lke

Slf hve Mpathy fr th/ persn wh/ attmptd & cn also undrstnd Y thy mght fl persnlly angry @ th/ persn wh/ intrruptd thm

Slf also undrstnd Y ctb in publc plces happn in th/ 1st plce & slf d/ nt necssrly blme thm fr doin tht bt tryn2 sve a lfe jst mkes a persn humn & ds nt equ8 doin tht makng n.e1 'proprty'

0 emotnlly helthy ppl wn2 fl as tho thy r rsponsble fr th/ deth of anothr persn & makng thm a prt of a suicde pts thm in an impssble positn whch thy wre also nt emotnlly prepard fr

Translation for Dot :

What about liability for PTSD caused by making an unsuspecting person walk in on a hanging corpse in their workplace?

I'm pro-choice, but there are reasons why many people die by suicide in hotels, away from their families, or leave notes on doors saying "call the police" — exactly to prevent putting uninvolved people in such situations in the first place.

People have autonomy over their bodies, but that doesn't mean they can just take their own lives in front of whoever they like.

I have empathy for the person who attempted and m can also understand why they might feel personally angry at the person who interrupted them.

I also understand why suicides in public or shared spaces happen in the first place, and I don't necessarily blame them for doing that but trying to save a life just makes a person human and does not equate to doing that making anyone property.

Zero emotionally healthy people want to feel responsible for another person's death, and making them part of a suicide puts them in an impossible position which they were not emotionally prepared for.

I still understand why people ctb in places which affect other people but in at the same time it's just not fair to then judge those people for how they react in such traumatic circumstances.

 

[CatLvr]

Man, what a complicated mess. I can empathise with both the person wanting to leave and the person who saved them. Heartbreaking situation and unfortunately, from where I sit, there is no right answer. Just a bunch of people who are hurting and can't find a way to make it stop. Heaven knows I can certainly identify.

 

[mechanician]

I don't agree with saying the person who 'saved' them is a horrible person for doing so. They acted on instinct, a lot of you no matter what you type out on here would most likely do the same if faced with this situation in real life. We can go on about being pro choice on here, but if someone was dying in front of us our instincts would kick in and push us to 'save' said person.

You have to remember being suicidal is a minority. The majority of people cannot fathom why someone would want to take their life, like you and I cannot fathom why someone would want to murder or rape someone. Of course they are going to step in, they're only human and in the moment it's not like they have the space to be able to determine the morality of wether or not to let someone die on their terms.

It's a terrible situation for both people and I wish the best for them, but I think calling that person horrible or saying they should feel ashamed of themselves is a bit narrow minded and cruel. It's not their fault that person decided to attempt in a public place and it's not their fault they sustained brain damage after their attempt. Unfortunately, that responsibility falls on the person who decided to attempt in such a way in the first place. It's terrible and tragic but it's the reality of the situation.

No, don't project that shit onto me. I really would not try to stop them as it's against my principles. Since I have no clue how long they've been in that state, I wouldn't intervene regardless out of fear of the potential life-long consequences. I would have to walk away.

Also, that statement regarding rape, murder & suicide is incredibly offensive. The first two are clearly an abhorrent violation of others' rights and the other is a very personal choice and an ultimate expression of one's own bodily autonomy. They are NOT comparable in any way, shape or form.

Blaming the person committing suicide is such typical offensive bullshit too. Sure, it was not wise, but how dare you present the situation as if she was 'asking for it'.

 

[rainwillneverstop]

a lot of the comments against the coworker who 'saved' them are quite cruel.
she wasn't looking to be a hero, or go out of their way to find a suicidal person.
The person attempting did it impulsively with a method that has those exact risks if found, and didn't prepare properly to do it in an uninterrupted place.
The moment your method has these risks, there should not be any blame at a passerby ending up in a crisis situation. They didn't ask to be involved, so don't put demands on them.
It's a tragic situation for everyone.

They are far from the actual pro lifers, if you put them into that box then you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[mechanician]

a lot of the comments against the coworker who 'saved' them are quite cruel.
she wasn't looking to be a hero, or go out of their way to find a suicidal person.
The person attempting did it impulsively with a method that has those exact risks if found, and didn't prepare properly to do it in an uninterrupted place.
The moment your method has these risks, there should not be any blame at a passerby ending up in a crisis situation. They didn't ask to be involved, so don't put demands on them.
It's a tragic situation for everyone.

They are far from the actual pro lifers, if you put them into that box then you have no idea what you're talking about.

"They didn't ask to be involved" is such a nonsense statement. If I attempt suicide in front of you, you absolutely have the option to not intervene. You're not a mindless drone, are you? Blaming your instincts is a cop-out. It's ALWAYS the fault of those who are trapped and wish to escape to you people, just fucking stop. Look at the results, a brain-damaged victim of a botched attempt now trapped in this hellscape, and someone who forced their will onto said person. Quit justifying evil as natural.

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

Wht abt liablty fr PTSD fr makng an unsuspctng persn wlk in on a hangng crpse in thr wrk spce

Slf am pro-chce bt thre r reasns Y mny ppl ctb in htels awy frm thr famlis or wh/ leav ntes on doors sayng 'cll polce'

= xactly t/ prevnt puttng uninvlvd ppl in sch stuatns in th/ 1st plce

Ppl hve autnmy ovr thr bdies bt = ds nt mn tht thy cn jst off thmslves in frnt of wh/evr thy lke

Slf hve Mpathy fr th/ persn wh/ attmptd & cn also undrstnd Y thy mght fl persnlly angry @ th/ persn wh/ intrruptd thm

Slf also undrstnd Y ctb in publc plces happn in th/ 1st plce & slf d/ nt necssrly blme thm fr doin tht bt tryn2 sve a lfe jst mkes a persn humn & ds nt equ8 doin tht makng n.e1 'proprty'

0 emotnlly helthy ppl wn2 fl as tho thy r rsponsble fr th/ deth of anothr persn & makng thm a prt of a suicde pts thm in an impssble positn whch thy wre also nt emotnlly prepard fr

Edt - slf stll undrstnd Y ppl ctb in plces whch affct othr ppl bt imo = jst nt fair t/ thn jdge thse ppl fr hwevr thy react in sch trmatic circmstncs

Hopping off this point, I think a lot of pro-mercy people mistake the freedom to kill oneself with the freedom to involve others in that death. At the end of the day, death sucks for the vast majority of people, and watching somebody die is not that well-adjusted people do. The woman who saved her co-worker didn't do so out of some self-indulgent desire to be a hero, she did it off of complete instinct. An instinct that all of us share, and if we refuse to act on it, it's because we've trained ourselves to resist it.

This is also why I can understand why people CTB publicly, but at the same time I hold a harsher judgement for those people because imo it's really indecent to do such. Obviously there are layers to it, where past a certain point somebody else is more than likely going to be involved, but in this case it's hard not to look at her actions and deduce that she absolutely wanted her co-workers involved in it (by her own admission as well). Perhaps I'm a little too emotionally invested in such cases because I still remember not caring for how Leelah Alcorn killed herself. My brother is a trucker and people like her put him at real risk of PTSD. Knowing that one day somebody might choose his truck to die by is not something I take lightly, regardless of what pushed the person to do it.

"They didn't ask to be involved" is such a nonsense statement. If I attempt suicide in front of you, you absolutely have the option to not intervene. You're not a mindless drone, are you? Blaming your instincts is a cop-out. It's ALWAYS the fault of those who are trapped and wish to escape to you people, just fucking stop. Look at the results, a brain-damaged victim of a botched attempt now trapped in this hellscape, and someone who forced their will onto said person. Quit justifying evil as natural.

She literally admitted in her own post that she specifically choose to die at work. Regardless of how you feel about it or not, you are NOT entitled to be left to die if people see you in such a scenario. Not understanding this beforehand comes off as beyond socially ignorant.

 

[mechanician]

She literally admitted in her own post that she specifcally choose to die at work. Regardless of how you feel about it or not, you are NOT entitled to be left to die if people see you in such a scenario. Not understanding this beforehand comes off as beyond socially ignorant.

So? What, you get to enforce your will onto me because it makes YOU uncomfortable? This is the problem I have with authoritarians, they always think they get to infringe on the freedoms of others and then spin it as "you're violating my eyes & ears, so I get to control you". I also wholly reject your narrative of what a 'well-adjusted person' is. Being 'well-adjusted' to a sick and corrupt society is a fucking joke.

 

[KillingPain267]

the mindset the pro-lifer has is just so stupid. don't they feel any sort of guilt for it?

No, they get a dopamine rush of self-gratulating heroism. It's all about themselves. I say if they wanna be heroes, they should go to war zones and save lives who didn't ask to live in a war zone. Save Palestinian children from bombs, then we can talk about selfless heorism.

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

So? What, you get to enforce your will onto me because it makes YOU uncomfortable? This is the problem I have with authoritarians, they always think they get to infringe on the freedoms of others and then spin it as "you're violating my eyes & ears, so I get to control you". I also wholly reject your narrative of what a 'well-adjusted person' is. Being 'well-adjusted' to a sick and corrupt society is a fucking joke.

You dying before my eyes is enforcing your will on to me first. Don't want me to save you? Don't die in front of me. It's that simple.

 

[mechanician]

You dying before my eyes is enforcing your will on to me first. Don't want me to save you? Don't die in front of me. It's that simple.

"Wearing that outfit before my eyes is enforcing your will onto me first. Don't want me to rape you? Don't wear that in front of me. It's that simple."

 

[GhostInTheMachine]

"Wearing that outfit before my eyes is enforcing your will onto me first. Don't want me to rape you? Don't wear that in front of me. It's that simple."

Amazingly bad faith response, but I expected it. Nice to know that you compare saving somebody's life to sexual assault.

 

[KillingPain267]

If an unsuspecting person walks in on a suicide attempt, they're placed in an impossible situation: either do what they can to save the person, or walk away knowing they allowed someone to die.

Not just that, the legal environment in many places makes it so that you may be a suspect if they found out you witnessed a hanging for too long and didn't do anything. There are also doctors who may agree with voluntary passive euthanasia in certain cases and allow the patient to pass away, yet their hands are tied or else they get prosecuted and/or sued for malpractice by the family or government. So they give in and administer whatever treatment is protocol.

 

[mechanician]

Amazingly bad faith response, but I expected it. Nice to know that you compare saving somebody's life to sexual assault.

It follows the same line of logic, does it not? Forcing yourself onto others. Not automatically bad faith just because you're experiencing some cognitive dissonance.

"Saving"? How so? That person is brain-damaged now, a direct result of the actions of those a lot like yourself. I would argue that's on a similar level, perhaps worse than sexual assault, because atleast the victim in that scenario has a fully functioning brain capable of seeking revenge.